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I'm starting this thread, because of the way that the holistic national coaching system in Australia has pursued a specific pathway.
The English speaking leagues many of our players go to, don't have a national system like Australia does, which is based on Netherlands, Germany, France and Spain.
England is renowned for having a poor national coaching system - according to senior coaches from France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Germany - but have a very rich EPL. Many coaches from these countries have moved to England chasing the big money in the EPL and the Championship - richer than all leagues except the Big Five in UEFA.
The players that I see who play in Scotland and England, appear to make marginal progress after leaving Australia when they play for the Socceroos - if they are selected. When one looks at the football performance criteria I've listed below, most improve football conditioning, and probably 1v1 defensive skills. But in other ways they stagnate - which is cause for concern.
Of course if our players play in any of the Big Five leagues in UEFA, they will have had to improve since leaving Aus. It may be a bridge too far for many Aus players - even for countries where football is the main sport.
According to Quickflick, formerly of IS/442, who lives in France, the French clubs don't tend to recruit many players who aren't French speakers. So French Div 2 may not be a realistic option for Aus players? Aime Jacquet, former French Tech Dir, and World Cup wining coach, thought the AL in 2007 was similar quality to French Div 2.
According to Benjamin, formerly of 442/IS, a player agent and scout, told me Spanish Div 2 often don't pay players!
If Aussies go to Netherlands or Belgium, they are coached in a very similar way to Aussies. This was 16 - 12 years ago, but Dutch coaches Berger, Baan, Derkson, Schans, all who've coached in Aus in different roles, claimed the AL was probably similar standard to upper Div 2 in Netherlands and the lower echelons of Eredivisie. Also, Belgium probably fits this category.
When I used to watch the Championship a lot when I had TV access, in the era Jedi played, most teams played nothing like Dutch, Belgian, French or Spanish teams. Ditto English League One. I've been told the Championship has changed, because Continental coaches have been drawn by the money to coach in this league - the 6th richest in the world.
When I watched League One it was tactically naive. Ditto the Scottish League.
If I list:
First touch
Striking the ball
Handling speed
1v1 attacking skills
1v1 defensive skills
Running with the ball
Game sense
Football conditioning;
destinations like Scotland, and England, further north than Belgium and Netherlands in Europe, one doesn't tend to see much improvement since leaving the AL in many players.
They seem to improve in football conditioning and 1v1 defensive skills from playing in England and Scotland, unless playing for Glasgow Rangers or Celtic, and of course the EPL ( very few Aussie players being good enough).
Yet if one looks recently at Bos and O'Neill in Belgium, they've improved in a greater range of football performance criteria listed above. Haven't seen Ballard since moving to the Dutch league.
Baccus and Miller have improved in wider areas than most other Scottish based Aussies. ATM Stam may be improving his goal scoring too? Yengi has improved in a wider range of areas as well, but still needs to improve his first touch and shielding.
However, Rowles, Atkinson ( went backwards), Devlin, Strain, Yazbek, haven't improved in a diverse range of skills listed. Haven't seen Niuew or Nisbet since leaving Aus.
Looking the the English system they have 4 pro leagues.
Looking at Netherlands they have 2 pro leagues, Eredivisie and Eerste. The Eredivisies' top teams tend to be as good as the better teams in the Big Five. They have mid-ranked teams who never get relegated. According to the Dutch coaches in Aus the bottom teams in the Eredivisie are much lower in calibre, similar to A L teams. I'd assume this scenario replicates in Belgium - and - in Portugal and Switzerland.
Given the tactical side of Belgium and Netherlands, is the same to the Aus NC, no matter which pro league they are playing in these countries, it is going to be better than England's Lower Leagues and Scotland.
Switzerland is very well-organised - nothing like th e organisational shambles of CCM is in Aus, when viewing a doco about it!
Would it be better for Aus players to be playing in the likes of:
Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Switzerland Div 2 - hoping to move up to Div 1?
The likes of football promotion to the top leagues in these countries are high quality, technically and tactically, particularly the big clubs in these leagues who play a lot of intra-continental football? Sporting, Benfica, Porto, Ajax, PSV, Feyenoorde, Young Boys, Grasshoppers, FC Zurich, Anderlecht are competitive in Champ League and Europa League.
Throw in Greece too. They have 4 big clubs. Not sure what Greek Div 2 is like?
Aussies have done well in Croatia - in terms of improving.
J League 1 and 2. We've seen the massive improvement in the national Japanese team. They must be pushing for a world powerhouse rep.
How good is the new Saudi league with all the money thrown at it?
If players aren't good enough to be recruited to the Big Five leagues 1 and 2, for whatever reasons, maybe there could be better options than English lower leagues, Scotland and far northern Europe?
The current AL must be like bad versions of the Belgian and Dutch top leagues, but Aus teams are trying to play the same way as them.
The English speaking leagues many of our players go to, don't have a national system like Australia does, which is based on Netherlands, Germany, France and Spain.
England is renowned for having a poor national coaching system - according to senior coaches from France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands and Germany - but have a very rich EPL. Many coaches from these countries have moved to England chasing the big money in the EPL and the Championship - richer than all leagues except the Big Five in UEFA.
The players that I see who play in Scotland and England, appear to make marginal progress after leaving Australia when they play for the Socceroos - if they are selected. When one looks at the football performance criteria I've listed below, most improve football conditioning, and probably 1v1 defensive skills. But in other ways they stagnate - which is cause for concern.
Of course if our players play in any of the Big Five leagues in UEFA, they will have had to improve since leaving Aus. It may be a bridge too far for many Aus players - even for countries where football is the main sport.
According to Quickflick, formerly of IS/442, who lives in France, the French clubs don't tend to recruit many players who aren't French speakers. So French Div 2 may not be a realistic option for Aus players? Aime Jacquet, former French Tech Dir, and World Cup wining coach, thought the AL in 2007 was similar quality to French Div 2.
According to Benjamin, formerly of 442/IS, a player agent and scout, told me Spanish Div 2 often don't pay players!
If Aussies go to Netherlands or Belgium, they are coached in a very similar way to Aussies. This was 16 - 12 years ago, but Dutch coaches Berger, Baan, Derkson, Schans, all who've coached in Aus in different roles, claimed the AL was probably similar standard to upper Div 2 in Netherlands and the lower echelons of Eredivisie. Also, Belgium probably fits this category.
When I used to watch the Championship a lot when I had TV access, in the era Jedi played, most teams played nothing like Dutch, Belgian, French or Spanish teams. Ditto English League One. I've been told the Championship has changed, because Continental coaches have been drawn by the money to coach in this league - the 6th richest in the world.
When I watched League One it was tactically naive. Ditto the Scottish League.
If I list:
First touch
Striking the ball
Handling speed
1v1 attacking skills
1v1 defensive skills
Running with the ball
Game sense
Football conditioning;
destinations like Scotland, and England, further north than Belgium and Netherlands in Europe, one doesn't tend to see much improvement since leaving the AL in many players.
They seem to improve in football conditioning and 1v1 defensive skills from playing in England and Scotland, unless playing for Glasgow Rangers or Celtic, and of course the EPL ( very few Aussie players being good enough).
Yet if one looks recently at Bos and O'Neill in Belgium, they've improved in a greater range of football performance criteria listed above. Haven't seen Ballard since moving to the Dutch league.
Baccus and Miller have improved in wider areas than most other Scottish based Aussies. ATM Stam may be improving his goal scoring too? Yengi has improved in a wider range of areas as well, but still needs to improve his first touch and shielding.
However, Rowles, Atkinson ( went backwards), Devlin, Strain, Yazbek, haven't improved in a diverse range of skills listed. Haven't seen Niuew or Nisbet since leaving Aus.
Looking the the English system they have 4 pro leagues.
Looking at Netherlands they have 2 pro leagues, Eredivisie and Eerste. The Eredivisies' top teams tend to be as good as the better teams in the Big Five. They have mid-ranked teams who never get relegated. According to the Dutch coaches in Aus the bottom teams in the Eredivisie are much lower in calibre, similar to A L teams. I'd assume this scenario replicates in Belgium - and - in Portugal and Switzerland.
Given the tactical side of Belgium and Netherlands, is the same to the Aus NC, no matter which pro league they are playing in these countries, it is going to be better than England's Lower Leagues and Scotland.
Switzerland is very well-organised - nothing like th e organisational shambles of CCM is in Aus, when viewing a doco about it!
Would it be better for Aus players to be playing in the likes of:
Netherlands, Belgium, Portugal, Switzerland Div 2 - hoping to move up to Div 1?
The likes of football promotion to the top leagues in these countries are high quality, technically and tactically, particularly the big clubs in these leagues who play a lot of intra-continental football? Sporting, Benfica, Porto, Ajax, PSV, Feyenoorde, Young Boys, Grasshoppers, FC Zurich, Anderlecht are competitive in Champ League and Europa League.
Throw in Greece too. They have 4 big clubs. Not sure what Greek Div 2 is like?
Aussies have done well in Croatia - in terms of improving.
J League 1 and 2. We've seen the massive improvement in the national Japanese team. They must be pushing for a world powerhouse rep.
How good is the new Saudi league with all the money thrown at it?
If players aren't good enough to be recruited to the Big Five leagues 1 and 2, for whatever reasons, maybe there could be better options than English lower leagues, Scotland and far northern Europe?
The current AL must be like bad versions of the Belgian and Dutch top leagues, but Aus teams are trying to play the same way as them.
