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"Can you smell the fear?", do the other football codes in Australia (AFL,NRL), genuinely fear football?

onedaywinners... said:
My two cents is that AFL fears the real football more because it truly is a national sport whereas NRL is at least decently participated in the UK and NZ.

We'll know we've really got under the AFL's skin for good when they start calling the premiership the 'World Championship' :LOL:
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They more often than not they lose to Ireland in the hybrid game - when it is played
 
I don't think NRL fears football that much especially since they have similar participation rates and league has similar television viewership figures, but AFL would more so since participation is always going to be lagging behind the other codes and the viewership figures will never be as high as State of Origin, Socceroos or Matildas except when the grand final rolls around.
 
SR1968 said:
Forgive my ignorance as I from Sydney, but don't the AFL social clubs have poker machine like the clubs and pubs do here in NSW?
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AFL doesn't have social clubs like in the NRL. But they do have investments and they're often pubs or hotels. It used to be common for those to include pokies, but most of the pokies licences were sold a while ago. Only the small clubs who are financially weaker kept them. Most don't need them.

The AFL is financially tightly controlled. There are two salary caps. One for the teams playing list. Another on the football department.

Clubs get revenue from memberships, tickets, sponsorships, TV rights and whatever investments they have.

There's an equalisation fund that the financially stronger clubs have to pay into, that is redistributed to the smaller clubs, including the northern states expansion teams GC and GWS.

The big clubs, once they've paid the salary caps and other expenses have profits. Those profits usually go into their facilities, are reinvested or used for philanthropic efforts.
 
The AFL has the most to lose with the changing fabric of society. Pacific islanders like their NRL. SE Asians like football or cricket. South Americans football. Europeans football.

You've got to be really born and brought up around AFL to be a regular. I know there are anecdotes of migrants going to games but they're minimal.

It's the same with the NRL. Very few Chinese and Koreans go. You've got suburbs that bear the clubs name so full of these nationalities now but they're all at home. The fans have all moved to other areas and travel in for games. Local identity is dying for the eggball codes. Rugby Union is already gone.
 
onedaywinners... said:
My two cents is that AFL fears the real football more because it truly is a national sport whereas NRL is at least decently participated in the UK and NZ.

We'll know we've really got under the AFL's skin for good when they start calling the premiership the 'World Championship' :LOL:
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Err... NZ is Rugby Union as is the UK. League started in the UK and has a solid small base compared to RU.
 
vo2Max said:
Hard to believe that in year 2025 that this topic still has legs, to some.

FFS.
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I only raised this topic, because of a recent YouTube video I saw called "The AFL Mafia", and how the AFL sabotaged Australia's bid for the 2022 FIFA World Cup.
 
Quicky said:
AFL doesn't have social clubs like in the NRL. But they do have investments and they're often pubs or hotels. It used to be common for those to include pokies, but most of the pokies licences were sold a while ago. Only the small clubs who are financially weaker kept them. Most don't need them.

The AFL is financially tightly controlled. There are two salary caps. One for the teams playing list. Another on the football department.

Clubs get revenue from memberships, tickets, sponsorships, TV rights and whatever investments they have.

There's an equalisation fund that the financially stronger clubs have to pay into, that is redistributed to the smaller clubs, including the northern states expansion teams GC and GWS.

The big clubs, once they've paid the salary caps and other expenses have profits. Those profits usually go into their facilities, are reinvested or used for philanthropic efforts.
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Here in NSW, pretty much all pubs and clubs have poker machines, with the NRL teams they all have a leagues club attached to them, so even if you don't follow the NRL team, you can go the leagues club to grab a drink, a meal, watch a live band, or play the pokies etc.

The AFL is certainly cashed up, in recent years they have received billions of dollars in TV money, corporate sponsorship and I'd imagine some taxpayer money from the Government.
 
rebelliousfeminist974 said:
I don't think NRL fears football that much especially since they have similar participation rates and league has similar television viewership figures, but AFL would more so since participation is always going to be lagging behind the other codes and the viewership figures will never be as high as State of Origin, Socceroos or Matildas except when the grand final rolls around.
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Are you sure about the NRL having similar participation rates to football?, here in Sydney at the amateur participant level most kids,teenagers and men play football (because it's safer than Rugby League).
 
SR1968 said:
Are you sure about the NRL having similar participation rates to football?, here in Sydney at the amateur participant level most kids,teenagers and men play football (because it's safer than Rugby League).
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Looking at the participation reports from both the NRL and Football Australia the participation rate for league is at 1.035 million whilst football has 1,912,493 total participants. Both football and NRL have much higher participation rates compared to AFL though as the rate for AFL is only 528,000.
 
rebelliousfeminist974 said:
Looking at the participation reports from both the NRL and Football Australia the participation rate for league is at 1.035 million whilst football has 1,912,493 total participants. Both football and NRL have much higher participation rates compared to AFL though as the rate for AFL is only 528,000.
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probably counting differently mind you

I prefer to just count those who play at least in an amateur way
 
This topic always comes up and I've heard it so much going back to when I was at school you had to choose between the two. Very interesting how human beings think because they don't like something others shouldn't either
 
melbcityguy said:
This topic always comes up and I've heard it so much going back to when I was at school you had to choose between the two. Very interesting how human beings think because they don't like something others shouldn't either
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Over the decades in Melbourne, I found that the either proposition has become an and instead of an or. As to the AFL hierarchy, who now get paid in the millions, they would feel that their cushy gravy train is in jeopardy.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
They are claiming 100k. And one life's little pleasures is to see Carlton supporters suffer.
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No doubt they include pets and 3 game memberships to inflate numbers. In my day you were a season ticket holder or nothing.
And there's an argument there too, they aren't actually members are they? No votes?
 
HappyGuus said:
No doubt they include pets and 3 game memberships to inflate numbers. In my day you were a season ticket holder or nothing.
And there's an argument there too, they aren't actually members are they? No votes?
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Not sure on Carlton but definitely Essendon ticket holders get to vote.
 
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