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Green & Gold FC Podcast #2 - U20 Asian Cup Preview

Great work guys!

Loved hearing your backgrounds at the beginning of the podcast.

I'm astonished with your collective knowledge for the younger players. Not sure if it was made apparent in your coaching courses, Zimbos, or if you attended National Coaching Conferences, that Under 20 isn't as important regarding results. It is still considered a development phase. The ultimate for results is senior level. A lot of players at U 20 level, don't kick on as expected, or develop as seniors as expected.

Terrific knowledge of all the younger players, particularly overseas.
 
Alex, have to disagree with you about technical development in Aus.

There has been a metamorphosis in Aus coaching methodology.

The current players who have had 10 years of coaching in the elite systems have a great deal more technical quantity of quality than past eras. Technique development is considered paramount. If a player hasn't got it at age 20, it takes a lot of work to improve technically as players generally only make gradual improvement this stage until the end of their careers.


As a senior, one can make quick progress tactically, communication, organisation, football conditioning, a bit slower in game sense which may be holding Hrustic back at times, but technique has to be acquired from a young age and consistently be worked on.

I've coached under the tutelage of the State SAP head coach. He repeatedly rammed this home. Players in Aus receive similar coaching practices to what they receive in Netherlands, Belgium, France and Spain.

The likes of Irankunda, Jake Hollman, Youlley, Thurgate, Segecic, Jelacic, Schreiber, Walatee, Valadon, Teague, Niewenhof, Brook, Milanovic, Piol, Garan Kuol, Natta, Trewin, Bernando, Talbot, Simmons, Priestman, Memeti, Quintal, et al, is a quantity of technical quality we've never previously had.

It is no coincidence that AL coaches have replaced experienced seniors with so many of these young guys. I've watched a lot of Aus U 23 games in the last year, and Aus is up there with the best Asian teams in technique, which wasn't the case in the past.

*The younger players can move the ball more quickly as a team unit than their senior counterparts.

* They are more two footed and two sides of the body proficient.

* They have faster handling speed.

* They can work more comfortably in less time and space.

* We have more proficient dribblers in 1v1s - Arzani, Bernando, Piscopo, Segecic, Jelacic (doesn't do it often enough), Walatee, Milanovic, Ivanovic, Atkinson, Archie Goodwin, Talbot, et al.
 
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Christ some of the stuff written makes you think we're on the path to technical ability KVDVD utopia :)

Ofcourse its night and day looking back from 1974 to 2004 to 2025.
OMG you'd bloody well hope so, pity its only so few compared to what could have been to date but yer we're slow on the uptake.

I agree Alex, we are still behind in spades, might have improved ability but under the pump, were slower, still can't control on the dial like the Japanese after all these training drills, we still can't produce strikers, we have wonder Arzani now called out by our NT coach and rightly so perfect example what we're up against.
Not enough possibles in the talent pool, only 1 Pro league with X spots, no 2nd Pro league to double the QTY.
Go figure why APL clubs are utilising their youth, they only have $500k per club from their league kitty, logical sense use your own low cost resource.
Seriously some people need to expand their outlook.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Is this just U20s Socceroo discussion?
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In this episode, we break down the U20 Asian Cup squad announcement, discussing the big inclusions, surprising omissions, and our expectations for the tournament.
We also dive into Khusanov’s transfer, what it says about talent development in Asia, and what Australia can learn from it.
Finally, we tackle the big question: Are Aussie youngsters moving to Europe too early? With more players heading overseas at younger ages, is it the best path for development, or should they continue to rack up appearances in the A-league?
All that and more on Green and Gold FC!
 
Decentric said:
Alex, have to disagree with you about technical development in Aus.

There has been a metamorphosis in Aus coaching methodology.

The current players who have had 10 years of coaching in the elite systems have a great deal more technical quantity of quality than past eras. Technique development is considered paramount. If a player hasn't got it at age 20, it takes a lot of work to improve technically as players generally only make gradual improvement this stage until the end of their careers.


As a senior, one can make quick progress tactically, communication, organisation, football conditioning, a bit slower in game sense which may be holding Hrustic back at times, but technique has to be acquired from a young age and consistently be worked on.

I've coached under the tutelage of the State SAP head coach. He repeatedly rammed this home. Players in Aus receive similar coaching practices to what they receive in Netherlands, Belgium, France and Spain.

The likes of Irankunda, Jake Hollman, Youlley, Thurgate, Segecic, Jelacic, Schreiber, Walatee, Valadon, Teague, Niewenhof, Brook, Milanovic, Piol, Garan Kuol, Natta, Trewin, Bernando, Talbot, Simmons, Priestman, Memeti, Quintal, et al, is a quantity of technical quality we've never previously had.

It is no coincidence that AL coaches have replaced experienced seniors with so many of these young guys. I've watched a lot of Aus U 23 games in the last year, and Aus is up there with the best Asian teams in technique, which wasn't the case in the past.

*The younger players can move the ball more quickly as a team unit than their senior counterparts.

* They are more two footed and two sides of the body proficient.

* They have faster handling speed.

* They can work more comfortably in less time and space.

* We have more proficient dribblers in 1v1s - Arzani, Bernando, Piscopo, Segecic, Jelacic (doesn't do it often enough), Walatee, Milanovic, Ivanovic, Atkinson, Archie Goodwin, Talbot, et al.
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While I agree that we are becoming a more advanced footballing nation in terms of the level of technique shown by some of our young players I still do believe we're a step behind most of Europe, and some countries in Asia.

Really appreciate the feedback 👍
 
AliG040803 said:
While I agree that we are becoming a more advanced footballing nation in terms of the level of technique shown by some of our young players I still do believe we're a step behind most of Europe, and some countries in Asia.

Really appreciate the feedback 👍
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Once again congrats with your profound knowledge of young players, but Europe or UEFA, isn’t one big homogeneous entity.

Australia has borrowed from the UEFA powerhouses Spain, Germany, France, Netherlands with Belgium on a similar path.

Outside these countries, Portugal, England, Croatia and Switzerland are also performing well over an extended period.

Most of the rest of Europe, in the very recent past, weren’t in the same technical class as these UEFA nations, apart from Italy.

Whilst recognizing how good Italy are, they play Reactive football - exploiting opponents’ mistakes.

I rate Japan as the same technical level as the top UEFA countries too.
 
Decentric said:
Great work guys!

Loved hearing your backgrounds at the beginning of the podcast.

I'm astonished with your collective knowledge for the younger players. Not sure if it was made apparent in your coaching courses, Zimbos, or if you attended National Coaching Conferences, that Under 20 isn't as important regarding results. It is still considered a development phase. The ultimate for results is senior level. A lot of players at U 20 level, don't kick on as expected, or develop as seniors as expected.

Terrific knowledge of all the younger players, particularly overseas.
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Yes, it was made apparent. In saying that, I'm not sure which comment of mine from the pod you might be referring to. I love that we can discuss things on there and have the forum contribute to.
 
zimbos05 said:
Yes, it was made apparent. In saying that, I'm not sure which comment of mine from the pod you might be referring to. I love that we can discuss things on there and have the forum contribute to.
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could be the general vibe that we want to qualify which means finishing top 4? Which I definitely want as it means an invaluable experience for the players ....and more football for us fans
 
HappyGuus said:
Great pod, guys. Sound like pros already 👍🏻
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I’m a bit surprised there hasn’t been more response?

Some seemed keen on the Podcast concept in the discussion phase, who we haven’t seen post on here - yet.

Agree. They sound very professional. I think Zimbos has said he worked in the media for a while.
 
Listened to the rest of the podcast in the car today. It worked out well.

Interesting point from both Grazor and Alex, about players going abroad before or after they've been developed in Aus - as opposed to mid- development.

Alex have to strongly disagree with you on the technical qualities of the younger players in Aus u23s and under.
 
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Nice work on the podcast. It’s a niche topic but one I follow so found it interesting. If the u20s can make it through this qualification tournament with this group, which i hope they can, I reckon they will do some damage at the world cup. There are some top shelf players who would become available. Enjoy your work and keep it coming.
 
Cubby said:
Nice work on the podcast. It’s a niche topic but one I follow so found it interesting. If the u20s can make it through this qualification tournament with this group, which i hope they can, I reckon they will do some damage at the world cup. There are some top shelf players who would become available. Enjoy your work and keep it coming.
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Welcome to the forum, Cubby.
 
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