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[onedaywinners...]

Rowles has zero creativity or flair to his game and while this may not be essential being a CB, he almost never does much more than pass to his fellow CB.

 

[Mr Cleansheets]

I'm thinking more passing and speed of thought. The Barhain or Saudi game at the end of Arnies tenure was woeful. It's soured my view of his technical capabilities.

Anyone can have a sub-par game. Remeber how good he was against Peru in a WC eliminator?

World class... for that time.

 

[Quicky]

I get what he is doing but I wish we did what arnie did and have extras in problem positions to get a small boost from competition in the squad

Yeah I totally agree. It alway's leaves us short in midfield. Which baffles me because we have some strong options there. Plus the midfield does a mountain of work so it's important to have subs, rotations, options, depth.

 

[Quicky]

Anyone can have a sub-par game. Remeber how good he was against Peru in a WC eliminator?

World class... for that time.

That's true. I'm not questioning his defending which I rate highly. Particularly his recovery and positioning. But I question his technique now. I'll alway's look for it. I hope it was just a poor performance.

 

[JS96]

Just don't get the overpicking of defenders by Popovic and Arnold at the end of his tenure. 3 right backs. What are the scared of? Geria is a great inclusion because he can cover certain areas. Stensness got hurt but that was a good versatility option over Degenek and even Deng had the versatility albeit not the quality.

The tripling up of Rowles/ Matthews/ Degenek or Grant/ Geria/ Miller made very little sense.

 

[grazorblade]

I'm thinking more passing and speed of thought. The Barhain or Saudi game at the end of Arnies tenure was woeful. It's soured my view of his technical capabilities.

I tend to put speed of thought in a different category to technique. Irvine and jedi are spectacular between the ears and poor technically. Rowles was very 1d against Bahrain in the first half which killed our build up. He can be quite good tho

 

[grazorblade]

Yeah I totally agree. It alway's leaves us short in midfield. Which baffles me because we have some strong options there. Plus the midfield does a mountain of work so it's important to have subs, rotations, options, depth.

Yeah I guess our weak positions are rwb, striker, inside forward and ball playing mid. Need to have one more than needed in each position

 

[JS96]

I think Rowles' calm passing in crisis mode is something we missed. No more scuffs by Sainsbury or headless chicken play by Stensness. I think also Rowles did start moving forward on the ball and was able to get some firm passes to Mooy or Irvine. His quick, firm deciison making was good to see at the time. Still like him and felt he could have and should have gone to a Serie A club as his defence is of that mould and you'd have coaches there developing it.

 

[grazorblade]

Anyone can have a sub-par game. Remeber how good he was against Peru in a WC eliminator?

World class... for that time.

Before he went to scotland

 

[grazorblade]

Rowles has zero creativity or flair to his game and while this may not be essential being a CB, he almost never does much more than pass to his fellow CB.

That's become more true. In the second half v Bahrain I think we saw the old rowles

 

[onedaywinners...]

I tend to put speed of thought in a different category to technique. Irvine and jedi are spectacular between the ears and poor technically. Rowles was very 1d against Bahrain in the first half which killed our build up. He can be quite good tho

Is Jedi: Jedinak??





Not technical?? lol

 

[JS96]

I get what he is doing but I wish we did what arnie did and have extras in problem positions to get a small boost from competition in the squad

I agree and the extras added like Degenek, Grant etc are just training traffic cones. I really wish we picked hungry ones like Simmons, Strain (should be back) and then if Triantis is fit, then him. Matthews definitely added that bit more but CB isn't the area.

I've had enough of chatting about our striker power vacuum that is needed.

 

[JS96]

Is Jedi: Jedinak??





Not technical?? lol

What does technical mean? I imagine it's while being on the ball, not set pieces. Jedinak is bloody lucky he was such a good leader because his play on the ball was often woeful. An excellent screener and Ange managed to sort a balance and it was ok. Different position on the pitch but having Rogic, Mooy, Irvine, Luongo and even Milligan meant there was a lot of competition. Love everything Jedinak did for the national team but certainly his technical part isn't at the forefront.

 

[grazorblade]

Is Jedi: Jedinak??





Not technical?? lol

I'm getting from this thread that people mean different things by technique

I mean
1) First touch - how quickly do they get the ball under control and how consistently does their first touch benefit them rather than the opponent. Can they have a good first touch with both sides of both feet?
2) 1v1 ability.
3) passing - how quick is their handling speed, can they use both sides of both feet to pass. What is the angular range of their passing (can they only pass to players they face or can they pass to players diagonally behind them accurately). Is the weight of the pass good? How good is the passing range
4) shooting - do they have a small backfoot, what is the variety of types of effective shots they can get away with both feet. How quickly can they get the shot away? (Do they have a small backlift), are they still effective when not in ideal body position?

On these I would say jedi was technically poor, with shooting with power and accuracy with his preferred foot from distance and getting a good weight on long passes his only positive technical attributes. That doesn't mean he wasn't a brilliant player

 

[Quicky]

I tend to put speed of thought in a different category to technique. Irvine and jedi are spectacular between the ears and poor technically. Rowles was very 1d against Bahrain in the first half which killed our build up. He can be quite good tho

Maybe. If you can't think quick and make good decisions your technique isn't going to help much.

 

[JS96]

Maybe. If you can't think quick and make good decisions your technique isn't going to help much.

It'll get Grazor talking (which I like) but Holman appeared to have no football brain on the surface but the deeper analysis showed that there was something there and he had ability too.

 

[Bowden]

Chipperfield starting CAM for Sion. He has played RM/RW and CAM and has cemented his starting spot. I think we should try to cap him. Both positions are a need in the NT.

It’s a good combination of positions as Popa’s 5-2-2-1 has those two hybrid winger / inside forward roles.

Cap him I say.

 

[JS96]

Big news over the in the WC qualification thread. Perth is to host the Japan game. If the West article is out now then you'd expect a Monday morning Socceroos social media post.

 

[Quicky]

It’s a good combination of positions as Popa’s 5-2-2-1 has those two hybrid winger / inside forward roles.

Cap him I say.

We need to try. The bigger question is if he wants to play for Australia. From what I've read he wants to represent Switzerland. But we need to get in and make him make his choice.

 

[onedaywinners...]

I'm getting from this thread that people mean different things by technique

I mean
1) First touch - how quickly do they get the ball under control and how consistently does their first touch benefit them rather than the opponent. Can they have a good first touch with both sides of both feet?
2) 1v1 ability.
3) passing - how quick is their handling speed, can they use both sides of both feet to pass. What is the angular range of their passing (can they only pass to players they face or can they pass to players diagonally behind them accurately). Is the weight of the pass good? How good is the passing range
4) shooting - do they have a small backfoot, what is the variety of types of effective shots they can get away with both feet. How quickly can they get the shot away? (Do they have a small backlift), are they still effective when not in ideal body position?

On these I would say jedi was technically poor, with shooting with power and accuracy with his preferred foot from distance and getting a good weight on long passes his only positive technical attributes. That doesn't mean he wasn't a brilliant player

Genuinely not trying to be argumentative or difficult, it is interesting on peoples perceptions of what 'technique' actually is.

I've always really liked this definition of technique = 'the mechanical part of art'.

The traditional concept of technique seems to have a lot of subjective parameters where for me it's more about the 'style' or 'way' that the player plays.

The fact that two people may or may not be able to agree or disagree whether or not someone has a 'good' or 'bad' technique is problematic to the entire concept.