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Mariners new ownership soon?

Normally when you get a group of businessmen and they are said to be 'cashed up' then it usually means that they have been reasonably successful in business....

Hence loads of cash!!

Successful businessmen tend not to invest their 'cashed up' selves into what could possibly be described as the worst possible investment in Australia....

And well, if there's a worse investment going around than investing money in the A League franchise competition then I'd like to hear about it!!
 
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Most of the folk who invest money in football around the world, know they are going to lose money. For a lot of them, it is a labour of love. Losing money is not exclusive to the A league. The losses are usually offset to their other companies.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
Most of the folk who invest money in football around the world, know they are going to lose money. For a lot of them, it is a labour of love. Losing money is not exclusive to the A league. The losses are usually offset to their other companies.
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This is somewhat true. Yes, you will find a lot of football club owners are businessmen in their own right, managing or owning various businesses here and there. Sometimes in order to grow their other investments club owners or chairmen leverage on the popularity and large numbers their club will attract to market their business, which guarantees more exposure and profit for their main business. Especially in countries where football is not just the biggest sport but part of the popular culture. Which is most of the rest of the world.

But not in Australia. Football, and particularly club football hasn't even scratched the surface of Australian culture, sporting or otherwise.

Buying an A League franchise in Australia, especially one outside of Sydney or Melbourne is like buying an Aussie Rules team in France
 
The Flying Bat said:
This is somewhat true. Yes, you will find a lot of football club owners are businessmen in their own right, managing or owning various businesses here and there. Sometimes in order to grow their other investments club owners or chairmen leverage on the popularity and large numbers their club will attract to market their business, which guarantees more exposure and profit for their main business. Especially in countries where football is not just the biggest sport but part of the popular culture. Which is most of the rest of the world.

But not in Australia. Football, and particularly club football hasn't even scratched the surface of Australian culture, sporting or otherwise.

Buying an A League franchise in Australia, especially one outside of Sydney or Melbourne is like buying an Aussie Rules team in France
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What ever you say , Elon.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
What ever you say , Elon.
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Just telling it like it is champ....
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The Flying Bat said:
This is somewhat true. Yes, you will find a lot of football club owners are businessmen in their own right, managing or owning various businesses here and there. Sometimes in order to grow their other investments club owners or chairmen leverage on the popularity and large numbers their club will attract to market their business, which guarantees more exposure and profit for their main business. Especially in countries where football is not just the biggest sport but part of the popular culture. Which is most of the rest of the world.

But not in Australia. Football, and particularly club football hasn't even scratched the surface of Australian culture, sporting or otherwise.

Buying an A League franchise in Australia, especially one outside of Sydney or Melbourne is like buying an Aussie Rules team in France
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Can’t disagree here from my perspective business wise.
Small time businessman Piel here couldn’t accept copping more loss within 2yrs and that’s after winning !
It’s far more gamble investing here as mentioned above to absorb loss’s as a number 3/4 sport in the landscape.
 
New owners (with money) would certainly lessen the blow of Jacko leaving - if that's what happens.

There is a genuine football culture on the Central Coast (I love seeing kids in Mariners gear - even during the off season) but probably assisted by the fact that there is no other code representing the area. It would probably still be a loss maker for any businessman - no matter how successful - but the proper football people on the Coast and the legions of kids playing and keen to see the Mariners would grease the wheels of any labour of love.
 
The Flying Bat said:
Buying an A League franchise in Australia, especially one outside of Sydney or Melbourne is like buying an Aussie Rules team in France
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Brilliant analogy.

From memory this franchise was formed without an owner, and has since survived on the generosity of a few people who came and left.

So 20 years on and here we are, a franchise without an owner.

In addition, I also often wonder where SFC would be now without a Russian oligarch's money.
 
vo2Max said:
Brilliant analogy.

From memory this franchise was formed without an owner, and has since survived on the generosity of a few people who came and left.

So 20 years on and here we are, a franchise without an owner.

In addition, I also often wonder where SFC would be now without a Russian oligarch's money.
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I thought that John Singleton was teh original owner. IIRC Singleton wanted an NRL club with a side serving of football to entice the local shire. In the end he built the stadium, started CCM but the NRL did not want a team there so never got the licence. Sometime after that he sold it.
 
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I thought that John Singleton was teh original owner. IIRC Singleton wanted an NRL club with a side serving of football to entice the local shire. In the end he built the stadium, started CCM but the NRL did not want a team there so never got the licence. Sometime after that he sold it.
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No, Singleton never started, or owned, CCM.

He had a leasing arrangement with the council owned stadium and his contribution to CCM was by way of discount on usage.

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
 
vo2Max said:
No, Singleton never started, or owned, CCM.

He had a leasing arrangement with the council owned stadium and his contribution to CCM was by way of discount on usage.

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.
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That is right and I believe he also put up money for John Aloisi to play with the Mariners.
 
vo2Max said:
Brilliant analogy.

From memory this franchise was formed without an owner, and has since survived on the generosity of a few people who came and left.

So 20 years on and here we are, a franchise without an owner.

In addition, I also often wonder where SFC would be now without a Russian oligarch's money.
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You must have a bad memory. It was primarily started by the Spirit leisure Group and the main investors were Lyall Gorman and Peter Turnbull. As Gorman transitioned to other roles Turnbull became the primary owner before the GFC and some dodgy deals about around the route of the metro that now comes through Chatswood was done. It was originally slated to come through Parramatta and Turnbull was also developing a Centre of Excellence for Football NSW north of Parramatta across from one of the original proposed stations. As Turnbull left Mike Charlesworth increased his investment and eventually became 100% owner.

They did receive a regional grant from the Gillard government of $10million but because of Council inaction delaying further development of the Centre of Excellence this 'regional grant' was instead sent as a Captains' Pick to Brookvale Oval under Tony Abbott. Sounds much like the 'regional grant' that went to North Sydney Pool.

In the meantime they dodged a bullet with the Bakries who the FFA deemed to be not fit and proper owners for CCM but were happy to complete the deal for Brisbane after watching a CCM pre-season game at Knox Grammar. I know - Gorman and the Bakrie's were sitting right in front of me before the deal was concluded that night at Gorman's home over dinner.
 
patjennings said:
You must have a bad memory. It was primarily started by the Spirit leisure Group and the main investors were Lyall Gorman and Peter Turnbull. As Gorman transitioned to other roles Turnbull became the primary owner before the GFC and some dodgy deals about around the route of the metro that now comes through Chatswood was done. It was originally slated to come through Parramatta and Turnbull was also developing a Centre of Excellence for Football NSW north of Parramatta across from one of the original proposed stations. As Turnbull left Mike Charlesworth increased his investment and eventually became 100% owner.

They did receive a regional grant from the Gillard government of $10million but because of Council inaction delaying further development of the Centre of Excellence this 'regional grant' was instead sent as a Captains' Pick to Brookvale Oval under Tony Abbott. Sounds much like the 'regional grant' that went to North Sydney Pool.

In the meantime they dodged a bullet with the Bakries who the FFA deemed to be not fit and proper owners for CCM but were happy to complete the deal for Brisbane after watching a CCM pre-season game at Knox Grammar. I know - Gorman and the Bakrie's were sitting right in front of me before the deal was concluded that night at Gorman's home over dinner.
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Your memory is worse than mine.

Turnbull was an owner/director at SFC for a few seasons before hooking up with CCM. And Gorman's $$ contribution was less than tuppence halfpenny.
 
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