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The best school of football for Australia

Best School of Football to deploy

  • KNVB Mythology

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Clairefontaine (France)

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • Italian style

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • English route one (Charles Hughes)

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • None

    Votes: 5 41.7%
  • Total voters
    12
KNVB Mythology

KNVB Mythology

Trialist
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Hey all,

I'd like to discuss the best school of football for Australia.

Personally, I think KNVB Mythology is the way to go and our national curriculum should reflect KNVB Mythology in its entirety.

Unfortunately, we have recently strayed and allowed too much freedom and different footballing ideologies to fester and permeate. The only route for success, across all levels, from kids to youth and seniors is by applying the KNVB mythology uniformly and strictly.

We know from statistical analysis undertaken, that the most passes, creates the most goals. Especially when starting said passing from the goalkeeper forward. It is simply unpredictable for the opposition to digest and contemplate.

What are your thoughts?
 
Pasquali said:
What is KNVB? are you trying to promote?
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its the dutch national curriculum. On the old football anarchy forum Decentric trolled back, with a lot of craziness about the national curriculum and managed to pick up some weird stalkers who are obsessed with him and occasionally follow him to 442 to spam weird stuff about him or the ntc. It is apparently very interesting to the odd personality that lurked on football anarchy
 
Pasquali said:
Oh okay all good!
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if you are interested, Hans Berger was the person who introduced the national curriculum and is dutch

for some reason people assumed our ntc was dutch, aka knvb. While most continental football approaches are similar, there are differences, e.g. the knvb will do some exercizes in slomo, but none of the sample sessions have that. Since 2018 we have moved to a game intervention game model where you have mini football matchs with variable rules (e.g. 2 goals, everyone touches the ball before scoring etc), with only small numbers on each side (e.g. 3v3), followed by a small sided game (the intervention) to teach a skill then a larger 7v7 game at the end where you apply that skill. The small sided games are similar to what you get in continental europe and the game intervention game structure is similar to youth football in England.

For all the people complaining it was dutch, we would have avoided some problems if we just copy pasted the dutch (or any continental) curriculum. Our current curriculum had to be tweaked because scoring goals was categorized under "striking the ball" along with passing and crossing. This led to finishing being underemphasized.

For some reason the national curriculum created a civil war in Australia maybe even more bitter than the nsl/a league civil war around 2005. It was baffling, they have a ntc everywhere you go. National curricula is a form of centralization, and in my opinion, centralization is good at lifting minimum standards but bad at producing innovation. E.g. the minimum wage imposes a minimum standard on wages but won't produce ceo salaries (and shouldn't be expected to) or a teaching national curriculum can lift the minimum standard in schools, but won't make a new harvard. The only mechanism to build higher than minimum standard is competition. Without a pyramid it is hard to use this mechanism though. Having said that, comparing the practice sessions in the ntc with what I experienced growing up it is donkeys and race horses. That doesn't mean south melbourne or marconi didn't have great training, just that the minimum was dreadful.
 
KNVB Mythology said:
Hey all,

I'd like to discuss the best school of football for Australia.

Personally, I think KNVB Mythology is the way to go and our national curriculum should reflect KNVB Mythology in its entirety.

Unfortunately, we have recently strayed and allowed too much freedom and different footballing ideologies to fester and permeate. The only route for success, across all levels, from kids to youth and seniors is by applying the KNVB mythology uniformly and strictly.

We know from statistical analysis undertaken, that the most passes, creates the most goals. Especially when starting said passing from the goalkeeper forward. It is simply unpredictable for the opposition to digest and contemplate.

What are your thoughts?
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This is an out and out troll thread posted by someone who has been frequently banned from 442/IS.

The author knows nothing about the Dutch KNVB (the national football association of the Netherlands). This thread should be deleted.

And the account should be deleted too.

There are a group who are trying to stifle genuine football discussion on this forum to cause conflict. I'm not even going to dignify this author with his forum names - as he is seeking negative attention. He and a few of his mates stalk me off forum. I'm very amused by it, but not amused that he/they are seeking to cause chaos in this new forum.
 
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grazorblade said:
if you are interested, Hans Berger was the person who introduced the national curriculum and is dutch

for some reason people assumed our ntc was dutch, aka knvb. While most continental football approaches are similar, there are differences, e.g. the knvb will do some exercizes in slomo, but none of the sample sessions have that. Since 2018 we have moved to a game intervention game model where you have mini football matchs with variable rules (e.g. 2 goals, everyone touches the ball before scoring etc), with only small numbers on each side (e.g. 3v3), followed by a small sided game (the intervention) to teach a skill then a larger 7v7 game at the end where you apply that skill. The small sided games are similar to what you get in continental europe and the game intervention game structure is similar to youth football in England.

For all the people complaining it was dutch, we would have avoided some problems if we just copy pasted the dutch (or any continental) curriculum. Our current curriculum had to be tweaked because scoring goals was categorized under "striking the ball" along with passing and crossing. This led to finishing being underemphasized.

For some reason the national curriculum created a civil war in Australia maybe even more bitter than the nsl/a league civil war around 2005. It was baffling, they have a ntc everywhere you go. National curricula is a form of centralization, and in my opinion, centralization is good at lifting minimum standards but bad at producing innovation. E.g. the minimum wage imposes a minimum standard on wages but won't produce ceo salaries (and shouldn't be expected to) or a teaching national curriculum can lift the minimum standard in schools, but won't make a new harvard. The only mechanism to build higher than minimum standard is competition. Without a pyramid it is hard to use this mechanism though. Having said that, comparing the practice sessions in the ntc with what I experienced growing up it is donkeys and race horses. That doesn't mean south melbourne or marconi didn't have great training, just that the minimum was dreadful.
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the NC should be binned for the good of the game here

look at its fruits
 
As the record stands there is a fair argument and discussion about that agreed.
 
If this a joke well played you have truely have got me! :LOL:

But in all serious do we know anything from Ernie Merrick's technical 10 point which has supposed to replace the old FFA NC? Apparently grassroots courses have changed but otherwise ive heard very little from Merrick and FA regarding the youth development space and where its going.

I still think the FFA NC was a good guide but needed refining over time to keep up with modern trends, but too much focus has been on tearing it down rather than improving the document and now its not in the FA website anymore so there you go.
 
Decentric said:
This is an out and out troll thread posted by someone who has been frequently banned from 442/IS.

The author knows nothing about the Dutch KNVB (the national football association of the Netherlands). This thread should be deleted.

And the account should be deleted too.

There are a group who are trying to stifle genuine football discussion on this forum to cause conflict. I'm not even going to dignify this author with his forum names - as he is seeking negative attention. He and a few of his mates stalk me off forum. I'm very amused by it, but not amused that he/they are seeking to cause chaos in this new forum.
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No doubt this is the work of a troll (what we used to call a shit-stirrer back in the pre-internet days), but don't get wound up by it, just ignore it. It is quite clear by the reference to KNVB "Mythology" what the intentions of the writer are. I find it hard to believe some of you guys apparently think it is genuine and start talking about the real KNVB, defending the NC, etc.

If there is a group here trying to stifle genuine discussion (and I agree that this appears to be the case), then the way it will do this is by responding to them. Just ignore them, or poke fun at them if you want. But don't take it seriously, all this does is encourage them.
 
Keeper66 said:
No doubt this is the work of a troll (what we used to call a shit-stirrer back in the pre-internet days), but don't get wound up by it, just ignore it. It is quite clear by the reference to KNVB "Mythology" what the intentions of the writer are. I find it hard to believe some of you guys apparently think it is genuine and start talking about the real KNVB, defending the NC, etc.

If there is a group here trying to stifle genuine discussion (and I agree that this appears to be the case), then the way it will do this is by responding to them. Just ignore them, or poke fun at them if you want. But don't take it seriously, all this does is encourage them.
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"genuine discussion" is subjective

let topics evolve organically, that's how people communicate IRL

this isn't a company intranet
 
Lupi said:
"genuine discussion" is subjective

let topics evolve organically, that's how people communicate IRL

this isn't a company intranet
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How about we start a thread that attacks you personally because that's exactly what this is and see how you like it.

I'm no mate of Decentric's as anyone from the other forum will tell you. (Didn't even make his list of illustrious posters worthy of transitioning to the new site.)

This is nothing more than a personal attack on him. Trying to defend this just makes you look more like the idiot you are. You are your mates 20 year campaign against him from FA and on 442 is nothing less than outright harassment.
 
Muz said:
How about we start a thread that attacks you personally because that's exactly what this is and see how you like it.

I'm no mate of Decentric's as anyone from the other forum will tell you. (Didn't even make his list of illustrious posters worthy of transitioning to the new site.)

This is nothing more than a personal attack on him. Trying to defend this just makes you look more like the idiot you are. You are your mates 20 year campaign against him from FA and on 442 is nothing less than outright harassment.
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nearly every post reply you make to me is a personal attack

your self awareness is lacking

be my guest if you want to make a thread about me... its nothing I haven't experienced before
 
Muz said:
How about we start a thread that attacks you personally because that's exactly what this is and see how you like it.

I'm no mate of Decentric's as anyone from the other forum will tell you. (Didn't even make his list of illustrious posters worthy of transitioning to the new site.)

This is nothing more than a personal attack on him. Trying to defend this just makes you look more like the idiot you are. You are your mates 20 year campaign against him from FA and on 442 is nothing less than outright harassment.
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Like this one on IS? hahahahah

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