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A-League Mens 24/25 - Round 3

crazy that segecic and kurchaski cant get more minutes

good to see waddingham do well. It is in his away games he struggled last season
 
Geeeeez they have to do something about getting the fans to the tv viewable stand! Seeing fans there is part of the advertising of the league. Really dumb stuff having them camera-side.
 
I'm watching the football on 10, and there's and ad for women's big bash, which is live as we speak on an opposition channel.

Not sure that I've seen a single A-League ad.
 
2nd half was ok. Will be better when Berenguer can start. Hope it's not downhill from here, but experience says it could be. Not the best match day experience with the empty stands.
 
I pretended to care whether roar won and it actually worked, the game was more fun even in the first half

Im gonna try and pretend to care if ccm and wsw win tomorrow
 
I pretended to care whether roar won and it actually worked, the game was more fun even in the first half

Im gonna try and pretend to care if ccm and wsw win tomorrow
Just lay some $ that’s the best way haha
 
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The crowd at last night's game at Shuncorp was officially given as 8,276. I was at the game and it felt like half of that. Not sure how they count these things but I assume a deliberate fudging here.

Football fans in Brisbane don't seem up for this team.

 
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This is the cross to bare thanks to Lowys big sell of the game.
I get having and wanting big crowds for our game and in some ala the derby’s it fits but generally he set a bar premature for the game relying on new made up clubs that many struggle to meet expectations.
Obvious it’s not working and seeing countless pigeons at these games as we’ve seen empty seats is woeful.
 
That was an improvement on our last game, and continues Zadkovich's rebuilding process.

Sydney, without Costa, Lolley and Hollman, are still better than us individually and hunting in concert they forced us to make stupid passes all night. When we were playing the ball out Sydney had 5 or 6 players sweeping in a diagonal wave towards the side that had the ball - putting pressure on every player in our back half and blocking off the centre. We did not have the composure or ideas to work around, through or past it with any consistency and got bogged down in one on one (or one on two/three) battles. Faster passing would have limited the effect before the press arrived but we just got stifled often.

For their part, Sydney always had an inside pass available when we applied pressure out wide and we seemed to get caught on the wrong side of most attackers frequently. Their attack was smooth and sharp and cut through us really effectively. With several players who can dribble well, we struggled to prevent individuals from running through our defence and especially between two close defenders quite often. The way it freed up support players to be found with accurate passing was always a danger to us.

It was not as comfortable a win for Sydney as many would have expected - but the quality and ease of their goal scoring when they did put it in the net made it their game all night despite us equalising twice.

The players had no respect for the ref - I think because he let a lot of stuff go, called the wrong way (in my eyes), and awarded a yellow to Jelacic when, at the ground, it did not look like it was near card worthy and might even have gone the other way (sliding in with studs seemingly exposed but given the free kick). The number of times the ref told players throwing the ball in to go back and they basically ignored him and stole another 10 to 20 metres, or on a free kick picked up the ball and walked away with it or kicked it away with impunity, showed that the ref needs to develop a stronger on-field presence. I was pretty disgusted when a Roar player picked the ball up and walked away, got told to return it to the spot, looped the ball back to another Roar player who also walked off with it, then in the refs face dropped it where they had walked to instead of even a token return. Both sides showed their 'professional' sportsmanship and got away with anything they could in the game - but the disrespect they showed the ref bothered me.

I have concerns about Warland and Van der Saag. Their passing and touch is off, and they both get beaten by structure or individual play too often. Without being able to feel safe at the back we cannot concentrate on the front half. Warland did some excellent timed tackles from behind to shutdown attacks but should not have needed to if he had been better at defending the ball carrier in the first place. Van der Saag, when we were playing the ball out from the back, waited up near halfway in open space every time - but as soon as the keeper passed it to our RCB would come halfway back instead of staying high and open. I cannot understand the mentality of getting into open space then running back to cramp up our progression when a very simple ball to him would have seen us at halfway and beyond the press. Very early on Burke-Gilroy made a full sprint up the right and behind the line but Van der Saag turned the ball back to our CBs instead of honouring the run. It looks a bit like Van der Saag is low on confidence and that is really hurting his effectiveness.

On the positives, Shour at DM and Brown at left back both had really good games. Walid is proving an excellent pick up for us, and while not flawless I like his speed, vision and reading the game in defence. Bility at CB does some things that work in underage football but need to develop further into senior football. He uses his strength and body well but at times has the ball taken off him when he could have held it or makes a decision to dive in that worked against younger opposition but exposes you in wily, senior fox football. I like what I see in him and he will continue to develop into a good player.

O'Shea held his place with the ball as always but I did see more wayward passes from him than I can recall. Whether to credit the Sydney marking and pressure on other players with that, or to consider it a bit of an off night for him I don't know. Not anything that I am worried about though - it was just unusual.

Burke-Gilroy had another influential game - but again saw him played 'out of position' on the right wing. With Van der Saag as his link bringing the ball out we were not smooth or fluid up that side. Playing a 4-4-2, I would rather have Burke-Gilroy and Brown on the left where they are both more effective.

Halloran is not doing it for me yet. The fact that Adelaide let him go when he had been such an influential player for them may mean he has lost too much speed to be played like we want to - or perhaps it is still too soon for him to have developed the understanding that his fast paced style requires of his team mates. Time will tell how that goes.

Jelacic played within himself last night - to the extent that his impact as a breaking attacker was limited. In a pre-season game running up the left wing he used speed and guile to beat his man wide or cut inside and draw defenders in desperation. Last night he played more controlled and slower football allowing his opponents to control him. When he made a run up the wing later in the first half and had three Sydney players looking to shut him down he only ran at moderate pace and looked for a quick (rushed) pass when a stop/start or momentary change of pace could have let him then accelerate into space behind their line and give him time to pick a good option. I hope Jelacic does not get 'structured' out of his creativity. The early yellow was obviously going to limit his involvement.

Waddingham and the rest of the team are not on the same page. We go long, he stands with his back into his defender looking for a pass to his feet or chest. We go left he runs right. We go to his feet and he has turned off his opponent and is running in behind. His goal and first half 'poster' were really nice, and well taken. He spent more time last night being Mitch Duke and applying running pressure to the ball carrier than being Thomas Waddingham 'opportunistic striker'.

Most of our disjointed play and stuttering play can be fixed simply by time and having the same basic players week in week out. I really am hoping that Zadkovich can settle on and sticks with his first eleven and structure so the team can get the cohesion and smoothness we see from teams like Sydney. It is certainly within us to do that.

Will be interesting to see what Zadkovich does with our structure and squad when Neville comes back. Whether Warland gets swapped out or we go to a back three again - who knows.

The crowd felt like a good start to me (8200) on the back of recent seasons and hail an hour or so before the game.

Our play was better than against Auckland, and against better opposition - despite Sydney missing some key players. We scored goals and went close to at least one more and played out an entertaining game. Lucky we now get to play the minnows of Victory in Melbourne next round. Easy three points for us there ;).

This side (with a couple of question marks) is showing the potential to play really good football. I am enjoying the start to this season despite the results.
 
The crowd at last night's game at Shuncorp was officially given as 8,276. I was at the game and it felt like half of that. Not sure how they count these things but I assume a deliberate fudging here.

Football fans in Brisbane don't seem up for this team.
I was also at the game and in a 52k stadium with more than half blocked off, it is always going to look empty.

The sections may hold about 700 seats each and there would have been at least 10 of them relatively full - so 7k in that rough counting system alone. More across the other side in Corporate and more up behind that I did not look at.

Definitely not overly fudged with 8200 - although I always suspect they count season tickets as 'attendance' whether you go or not.
 
This is the cross to bare thanks to Lowys big sell of the game.
I get having and wanting big crowds for our game and in some ala the derby’s it fits but generally he set a bar premature for the game relying on new made up clubs that many struggle to meet expectations.
Obvious it’s not working and seeing countless pigeons at these games as we’ve seen empty seats is woeful.
LFC, I watched the game, it was a very exciting game, with some quality play despite the pressing, this will only help improve our first touch & pass. Some goo young players on display in Waddington, Segecic & Kurchaski, plus Sydney has found a gem in Sena.
I let others worry about crowds.
 
I was also at the game and in a 52k stadium with more than half blocked off, it is always going to look empty.

The sections may hold about 700 seats each and there would have been at least 10 of them relatively full - so 7k in that rough counting system alone. More across the other side in Corporate and more up behind that I did not look at.

Definitely not overly fudged with 8200 - although I always suspect they count season tickets as 'attendance' whether you go or not.
In my opinion the Brisbane Roar would have to be the most unsustainable club in the league. A one city club should be able to attract enough of the general sporting public to pull in more than 6-7,000 per game. Particularly in Brisbane where vast swathes of the population are either migrants or are from migrant parents from countries where football is the preferred sport.

The next nearest A League club is Newcastle. Brisbane Roar doesn't deserve it's license. They're an embarrassing blot on the football landscape.
 
@The Flying Bat...

I have no interest in responding to the trolling aspects of your stated opinion of the Roar.

But you may have inadvertently included an interesting point about what represents support in terms of sustainability for football.

Your 'unsustainable' suggests that clubs would be making a profit based on attendance in order to be sustainable? Attendance is one small factor determining support. I suspect you have not formed your opinion based on any knowledge of the number of Roar supporters in the wider football community - as opposed to just how many go on match day...? Very narrow representation of support in that. It would be unfortunate if you determined the number of coffee drinkers in the world who might visit your shop based solely on how many have previously walked into your shop. That would seem quite a risky endeavour to undertake and almost appear unsustainable from the get go.

Luckily, the number of coffee drinkers who might pop in next week may have nothing at all to do with the number who visited your shop last week - even more so if you are dependant on tourist trade. Odd that, as an owner of such a service based business, you would think the number of interested customers is limited to the number who have come into the shop previously. Lucky the football community does not get by on gate takings really.

We have had long discussions on the old forum previously about how most football clubs the world over run at a loss. Simple fact. Sustainability is not about the numbers who go to games - that is more about passionate engagement or entertainment value on show.

Does a club have an owner with money? Some might think that is the key factor in determining sustainability in a franchise football model.

Does a club attract trolls because of their popularity and the passion of their support base? That also might be a factor in support of sustainability. As one of the biggest and best clubs in the aleagues we do attract a lot of trolls.

Just as an aside - Brisbane is not a one club city. Very blinkered way of looking at it. Maybe you mean Brisbane is a one aleague club city. Not the same thing in our widely followed and supported game. The league is not supported as much as the game - that is obvious - but that is also a different subject. Football, as far as I know is still the most played ball sport in Australia. Plenty of clubs in Brisbane to support.

There may even be people who passionately oppose the Roar in favour of a non-aleagues club, like (just pulling one out of the ether) the Brisbane Strikers for example. Not their fault they have poor judgement ;).
 
@The Flying Bat...

I have no interest in responding to the trolling aspects of your stated opinion of the Roar.

But you may have inadvertently included an interesting point about what represents support in terms of sustainability for football.

Your 'unsustainable' suggests that clubs would be making a profit based on attendance in order to be sustainable? Attendance is one small factor determining support. I suspect you have not formed your opinion based on any knowledge of the number of Roar supporters in the wider football community - as opposed to just how many go on match day...? Very narrow representation of support in that. It would be unfortunate if you determined the number of coffee drinkers in the world who might visit your shop based solely on how many have previously walked into your shop. That would seem quite a risky endeavour to undertake and almost appear unsustainable from the get go.

Luckily, the number of coffee drinkers who might pop in next week may have nothing at all to do with the number who visited your shop last week - even more so if you are dependant on tourist trade. Odd that, as an owner of such a service based business, you would think the number of interested customers is limited to the number who have come into the shop previously. Lucky the football community does not get by on gate takings really.

We have had long discussions on the old forum previously about how most football clubs the world over run at a loss. Simple fact. Sustainability is not about the numbers who go to games - that is more about passionate engagement or entertainment value on show.

Does a club have an owner with money? Some might think that is the key factor in determining sustainability in a franchise football model.

Does a club attract trolls because of their popularity and the passion of their support base? That also might be a factor in support of sustainability. As one of the biggest and best clubs in the aleagues we do attract a lot of trolls.

Just as an aside - Brisbane is not a one club city. Very blinkered way of looking at it. Maybe you mean Brisbane is a one aleague club city. Not the same thing in our widely followed and supported game. The league is not supported as much as the game - that is obvious - but that is also a different subject. Football, as far as I know is still the most played ball sport in Australia. Plenty of clubs in Brisbane to support.

There may even be people who passionately oppose the Roar in favour of a non-aleagues club, like (just pulling one out of the ether) the Brisbane Strikers for example. Not their fault they have poor judgement ;).
Some good point, however.....

Last season the club’s average home attendance was 6707 across 13 matches, including one game that was played at Ballymore that had a season-low home crowd of 3178.

The A League doesn't have a particularly good tv deal in terms of dollars for the clubs. I suspect that general central sponsorship dollars are pretty thin on the ground and club induced corporate sponsorship almost non existent.

The Bakries....well challenges with the Bakrie Group owners down the years have been well documented. It's not a long shot that eventually the Bakries will look to exit or at least divest in the Roar just as they did with the Belgian Football Club C.S. Vise when they realised they had no chance of any on or off field success. But you never know, I might be wrong......

The A League is a struggle for everyone concerned but Brisbane is the hardest market at least in terms of capital cities.
 
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I was at the Ballymore game. I did not enjoy the trip there with both train and bus required and can understand it not being a well attended event. As a northsider I see it a bit like the southsiders not able or wanting to go out to Redcliffe. Suncorp - for all its obvious size stupidity - is still an event venue I like going to. Feels like it is a bit special every game.

Our attendance record is just not the be all and end all of our club support. I can't say, but having 8k at this last game might indicate a small return of some supporters to active football. The Den was well occupied again which is a huge part of the gameday experience I find. Compare that to the Den at Redcliffe and it is a marked improvement.

Bakries do have poor financial record with problems - but as long as they hold the licence they have to pay what it takes and as long as that happens we are a chance of a good season. If they continue to support youth players coming through in addition to bringing in some players of value we are continuing to add to the football landscape in a positive fashion.

Brisbane is very much a 'big event' town unfortunately. Finals games get heaps of interest, and games when we are not playing attractive football just don't bring the people in. None of that stops the number of genuine Roar supporters from following the club - they just don't go to the games for many different personal reasons.

The poor TV deal is across all clubs and is a league issue - only relevant to us as it is to others. When it is low the Bakries have to fork out more and so far they have. As you say - if they decide to pull the pin we cannot afford to remain in the aleagues without another owner stepping up. They are not doing it for the money - I think it is the prestige of winning that has them paying for us. I have no idea, but I would hope that we would get a buyer for our club quickly enough should it come to that.

A tough market as you say but it only takes some consistent watchable football for us to get more bums on seats. The fans are there - we have to earn the luxury of getting them back to games after as many reasons as seasons not to come.

I hope you enjoyed your trip up, by the way (the win always helps). As much as I hated the long trip down to Robina away to the Gold Coast it was a great experience each time.
 
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