Andrew Bolt and Peta Credlin both said the Libs should have gone harder on "culture wars"-shows their complete misreading of the Australian electorate.They must have thought that by defeating the "Voice " referendum emphasizing the " culture wars" would be a winner.
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Yep can’t disagree why I say they are spoilers that to their past but good luck to them.Farken. Preferenced One Nation and Trumpet of Patriots.
And they wonder why their vote collapsed.
Nearly every single Teal seat is full of former Liberal voters. That tells you everything you need to know.
They may help in the future.
I’m no lupi
Get it
And I can see the ongoing trend with the Libs and their blinkers.
Why you have noted my disappointment not just them the reds as well.
The libs are living in the past not just this election long before.
I’ve said times have changed and they haven’t whatsoever and worse after 3yrs to prepare like a big CL final their defense and intent was a joke so easy fodder for albo seriously and proved as such.
Fancy sacking 41k odd workers in this climate for one.
The many other offerings that there wasn’t any decent gold nuggets might I add was pathetic - like mentioned by Dutton before wait till after the election - seriously a joke.
They deserved to get smashed.
I’m no fan what’s happened but I can live with it it is what it is.
Let’s see where we are by next election.
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What's your maIn beef with him? They're the only mob wanting to shake things up. Get more royalties off gas to roll dental into Medicare, get rid of negative gearing, reduce capital gains exemptions and a bunch of other stuff.
They're all good policies.
Yeah it'd cost more but we are one of the world's biggest exporters of gas and minerals and we collect more in HECS then we do from the PRRT.
Meanwhile Norway has a $2 trillion sovereign wealth fund. At a scabby 4% interest that's 80 billion a year in the kit bag.
That could be us.
Fucks sake.
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They won't be able to implement any of it. The greens are fools in every country you go to. It doesn't work. What happens is they have all these great big plans and the moment they get a chance to implement it they're half baked with limitations or an absolute mess. They're devoid of self reflection. Look how delusional their post election statements are. Nothing inward, all about how great they've been.
I don't know the details but I keep seeing comments about blocking certain housing policies. They hinder more than help. If Labor is smart, they will ease in such green policies while keeping a healthy balance. The greens want to turn off the life support and then apply CPR.
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This rhetoric is always mentioned, but makes no sense.
How are the Greens supposed to "implement" things when they are not the majority power. They held like 6 seats. People give them breadcrumbs and then expect miracles.
Your point about the limitations has also been proven wrong regularly. They always provide their costings and they are proven to be very clear.
You then say you don't know the details, but are very confident to make a statement about it. They didn't block housing policy. They countered a very shit housing policy, and in the end Labor upped their commitment which will result in more houses being built than what Labor had offered. Labor were going in with the a half arsed policy, Greens fought it, and now we get something better. That is the whole point of having these third parties. They hold the majors to account.
Let's also not forget that the Greens came up with the free dental for children. The 50c bus fares in Queensland. The Greens pushed for ages to make price-gouging illegal and Labor adopted that this year. I'll just list a few other things the Greens have done.
The Greens used their power in the Parliament to set the default daily loss on the pokies at $50, so gamblers’ families lose less. We also negotiated to secure stronger bans on ATMs in pokies venues from 2012, which significantly cut gambling losses.
After years of campaigning for this, ministerial diaries became public in 2024, so we all know who powerful ministers are meeting with.
In 2021, The Greens led a campaign to win $13 million extra for midwives and Victoria’s public maternity system.
The say no to drugs approach hasn’t worked. The Greens first introduced a bill to allow festival goers to check their drugs for unexpected substances in 2017. Victoria now has its own pill testing scheme.
I'm delighted Dutton is gone and the Libs got punished, but let's not pretend like Labor are angels. We need The Greens in parliament.
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I've lived through the Greens having control in German parliament. Once they get control, they try all their apparently well thought out policies, stall completely, overrun costs and then sit their and shrug their shoulders and tell the worst affected that they'll have to take more deductions from their pay. As if big corporation will be taxed more. The Greens know that this will then have ripple effect in the economy and job market.
Good on them for getting midwives money. Ministerial diaries were already done in other states for a decade so it's hardly groundbreaking. Why did Victoria not do it before?
The housing example: Well, the Greens have certainly worn it at this election. If the plan is so well fought for, why didn't they get more votes? People can smell a rat.
Explained: The government's stalled housing agenda, and why the Greens are opposing it
As the government's Help to Buy and Build to Rent bills face the Senate this week, Anthony Albanese has called on the Greens to "get on with it" and support Labor's housing agenda. Here's what to know.
www.sbs.com.au
Greens to wave through Labor housing bills, continue fight for renters to the next election and in minority parliament | The Australian Greens
The Greens say Labor has given up on renters and first home buyers by refusing to negotiate on the government’s housing bills, but have decided to wave the legislation through to focus on campaigning for renters and against Peter Dutton at the next election.
Why are young German voters abandoning the Greens? – DW – 06/13/2024
The increased youth vote for the climate-skeptic far right in the EU elections has been combined with plummeting support for the pro-climate Greens party.
www.dw.com
All the Greens need in any country is one election cycle to bring it all crashing down. Crazily, they lose most of the votes from young people, the ones they promised to help. This is due to nothing working in regards to housing, wages, justice system, industry and energy.
I wonder if Juice Media will do a video on the crash of the Greens this election? Oh no, that's right, they wouldn't dare touch their bias, along with other topics....
I'm thrilled the Don't Risk Dutton campaign launched by the 1.8 million union movement succeeded!
In this state the 50 000 strong union movement is much better organised than the 17- 1800 member Labor Party.
The media appears blissfully unaware of the impetus of the 1.8 million member Aus Council of Trade Unions national campaign that decimated Dutton and the LNP. We hammered marginal seats all over the country - doorknocking, letterboxing, handing out leaflets in relatively crowded public areas (Tassie is sparsely populated), plus wobbleboarding.
Specifically in Lyons, the second most marginal seat in the country before this last election, assorted unionists, plus the Retired Unionist Network, hit the satellite suburbs and bigger country towns in groups of 3-7 exclusively incorporating union staffers and RUN members during the week - doorknocking 80 - 200 houses per session.
Whilst on the weekends when many unionists weren't required to work, teams of 30 did the same job covering up to 500- 700 houses per doorknock.
I'd like to think DRD had quite an effect on the election outcome. I saw one media report where the ACTU had had conversations with 6 million voters some time ago. This election loss for the LNP was the biggest in history. I hope to have a figure of how many unionists were mobilised Australiawide over the duration of the election campaign, or a bit before it started, from ACTU HQ.
I'm not going to gloat, but for all the Trump lovers in Aus, with Dutton assuming the same tactics early in the campaign, as did Jacinta Price, this election victory by Labor of over 55% two party preferred, is the biggest in history for the ALP!
A lot of my young union comrades are now Green members, whilst many others are in the Labor Party. I resigned from the latter a few weeks ago, because of our state PLP's Parl Caucus advocating too many pragmatic and conservative policies. The Fed Election result has been a poor outcome for the Greens.
In Tas Climate Collective and Clarence Climate Action that I'm also involved in, most members are either Greens or Independent supporters, mostly Teals backed by Holmes a Court Climate 200 money. Many supported Peter George, with his strong stance against open slather salmon farming in Franklin, where he gave current Franklin incumbent, Labor Minister Julie Collins, a fright.
Out of 5 House or Rep seats in Tas, Independent Wilkie holds 1, and Labor have won the other 4.
The Climate Scorecard conceived and produced by TCC has been effective, particularly in the last few weeks as more TCC members have letterboxed households and leafleted pre-poll booths.
Whereas Labor MPs have had a lot of limelight, the unsung heroes have been 2 high calibre union organisers for the state branch of the ACTU. They've conducted a brilliant campaign - mobilising large groups of unionists, mainly women, to carry out the hard graft to decimate Dutton and the LNP.
The national education section of the ACTU has also done a terrific job. The objective was to include the voters to put the LNP last, otherwise voting how they like. It united quite a few different groups. At a blokes' cricket/beer party the other night, all the early voters had put Hanson and Palmer last!
Gee those Palmer texts were annoying! He has spent 10 million to get 1.7% of the vote. The Cannabis Party received 1.2 % of the vote from only spending $6200!
In this state the 50 000 strong union movement is much better organised than the 17- 1800 member Labor Party.
The media appears blissfully unaware of the impetus of the 1.8 million member Aus Council of Trade Unions national campaign that decimated Dutton and the LNP. We hammered marginal seats all over the country - doorknocking, letterboxing, handing out leaflets in relatively crowded public areas (Tassie is sparsely populated), plus wobbleboarding.
Specifically in Lyons, the second most marginal seat in the country before this last election, assorted unionists, plus the Retired Unionist Network, hit the satellite suburbs and bigger country towns in groups of 3-7 exclusively incorporating union staffers and RUN members during the week - doorknocking 80 - 200 houses per session.
Whilst on the weekends when many unionists weren't required to work, teams of 30 did the same job covering up to 500- 700 houses per doorknock.
I'd like to think DRD had quite an effect on the election outcome. I saw one media report where the ACTU had had conversations with 6 million voters some time ago. This election loss for the LNP was the biggest in history. I hope to have a figure of how many unionists were mobilised Australiawide over the duration of the election campaign, or a bit before it started, from ACTU HQ.
I'm not going to gloat, but for all the Trump lovers in Aus, with Dutton assuming the same tactics early in the campaign, as did Jacinta Price, this election victory by Labor of over 55% two party preferred, is the biggest in history for the ALP!
A lot of my young union comrades are now Green members, whilst many others are in the Labor Party. I resigned from the latter a few weeks ago, because of our state PLP's Parl Caucus advocating too many pragmatic and conservative policies. The Fed Election result has been a poor outcome for the Greens.
In Tas Climate Collective and Clarence Climate Action that I'm also involved in, most members are either Greens or Independent supporters, mostly Teals backed by Holmes a Court Climate 200 money. Many supported Peter George, with his strong stance against open slather salmon farming in Franklin, where he gave current Franklin incumbent, Labor Minister Julie Collins, a fright.
Out of 5 House or Rep seats in Tas, Independent Wilkie holds 1, and Labor have won the other 4.
The Climate Scorecard conceived and produced by TCC has been effective, particularly in the last few weeks as more TCC members have letterboxed households and leafleted pre-poll booths.
Whereas Labor MPs have had a lot of limelight, the unsung heroes have been 2 high calibre union organisers for the state branch of the ACTU. They've conducted a brilliant campaign - mobilising large groups of unionists, mainly women, to carry out the hard graft to decimate Dutton and the LNP.
The national education section of the ACTU has also done a terrific job. The objective was to include the voters to put the LNP last, otherwise voting how they like. It united quite a few different groups. At a blokes' cricket/beer party the other night, all the early voters had put Hanson and Palmer last!
Gee those Palmer texts were annoying! He has spent 10 million to get 1.7% of the vote. The Cannabis Party received 1.2 % of the vote from only spending $6200!
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They are fucking deluded but good luck to them if they want to carry on with that garbage and spend the next decade in the wilderness. Besides your resident knuckle draggers on the forum most people don't give a shit if you're a bit different, have blue hair, use pronouns and who you root.
One other thing, I think mango Mussolini had a bit of a bearing on the result. People have been watching the shitshow in the US and thought we don't want that here. It may not have been the main reason but I'm betting it tipped the scales in quite a few instances.
I've read a fair bit of Alan Kohler using evidence based research on voting behaviour of different age groups in Aus.
I think the Greens have a lot of younger Millennial voters. There are heaps of Green members amongst young civil liberties activists, unionists and climate activists.
Nationally, Adam Bandt has been sending messages out to young Green unionists that I campaign with, saying he was looking forward to governing with Labor in a minority govt.
Then at recent anti- salmon rallies and end Native Forest Logging rallies I've attended, Bob Brown, former Green MP, plus current Green Senator, Nick McKim, have constantly told voters to put Labor last with the Libs!
This is a paradox!
In a lot of pressure groups I'm in, rank and rank and file Greens and Labor members work seamlessly together. The bigger egos of politicians seems to prevent this.
Then there are weird things like I know two senior female MPs, one a Green and the other Labor, who slag each other off in Parl - but one of them told me they are great mates outside Parl and are drinking mates!
This Fed Parl I would like more Greens in the House of Reps and less in the Senate. They've always had a good defence policy.
All our empirical info acquired doorknocking played out in Lyons. The voters don't like Greens. Many were going to vote Independent though.
Conversely, in the inner city Green MPs walk on water for many voters.
Bec White, former Tas Labor Opp Leader, and now Fed candidate gained a swing to her of 11%! She is a gifted campaigner. I haven't degenerated to her baby kissing and tickling dog tummies! LOL!
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Those right wing nut jobs AB and PC are crazy!
One former Senator I know who knows Albo, said he completely lost his confidence for some time after the Yes 23 referendum.
The culture war success used by the LNP in the Yes campaign didn't extrapolate to the Fed Election. Albo really regained his confidence on the campaign trail too.
Donny T helped too, as he did in Canada.
Tend to agree with this.
They need to visit outer suburban areas and listen to voters' local issues. They don't visit community sporting clubs, neighbourhood centres, Lions and rotary clubs, retirement homes, shopping centres, etc.
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Normally im thrilled when the greens win a seat off labour as id like more radical policies on refugees, foreign aid, homelessness and climate change
However, after oct 7 before any response from Israel the vile antisemitism coming from the greens. It also reminded me arguing with american republicans about anti black racism. Step 1, say something bigoted in polite terms. Step 2 claim that people are manipulating antisemitism/racism to shutdown criticism of israel/conservative policy discussions
Ironically the surge of disgraceful antisemtism makes it harder for center left parties to pressure israel for a more humanitarian approach because they have to fight on two fronts (especially with police statistics showing a dramatic surge in anti semitic hate crimes starting oct 8)
It was disgusting and glad antisemitism was rejected by the australian public
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You can't conflate a party in another country and label them the same because of their name. The politics in Germany are differently to Australia. They might have the same underlying principles, but they operate completely differently. Norway has taxed big corporations and the ripple effects are that they have a wealthy sovereign fund and the government is able to invest in the people. Stop allowing big corporations to get away with not doing their bit. Stephen Miles taxed them more and was able to give $1000 energy rebates, 50c public transport, and $250 sport rebates.
The Greens vote is actually on par or higher than last election. The difference is in where there LNP votes flowed. Not to mention that people wanted Dutton out so badly, they preferenced Labor as 1.
I don't know the specifics of the voters from this election, but I think you might be wrong on the loss of young voters. I'll have to look it up, however you say nothing works. Well then how did they get Labor to commit more to housing? They also ensured that penalty rates were secured under Gillard. You clearly just have a hatred for the Greens so it matters not what they do, or what their policy is. You had a bad time in Germany so will hate them wherever you are.Explained: The government's stalled housing agenda, and why the Greens are opposing it
As the government's Help to Buy and Build to Rent bills face the Senate this week, Anthony Albanese has called on the Greens to "get on with it" and support Labor's housing agenda. Here's what to know.
Greens to wave through Labor housing bills, continue fight for renters to the next election and in minority parliament | The Australian Greens
The Greens say Labor has given up on renters and first home buyers by refusing to negotiate on the government’s housing bills, but have decided to wave the legislation through to focus on campaigning for renters and against Peter Dutton at the next election.greens.org.au
Why are young German voters abandoning the Greens? – DW – 06/13/2024
The increased youth vote for the climate-skeptic far right in the EU elections has been combined with plummeting support for the pro-climate Greens party.
All the Greens need in any country is one election cycle to bring it all crashing down. Crazily, they lose most of the votes from young people, the ones they promised to help. This is due to nothing working in regards to housing, wages, justice system, industry and energy.
I wonder if Juice Media will do a video on the crash of the Greens this election? Oh no, that's right, they wouldn't dare touch their bias, along with other topics....
You have a go at Juice Media, a small youtube channel, yet we live in a country that has 70% of the media owned by one right wing man, 20% owned by a right wing company, and the other 10% mostly centre. Not to mention FriendlyJordies who is staunch Labor. Then the Greens had a $2 million campaign by Advance Australia against them this election. The Greens always get attacked from Liberal and Labor and the media drives a hard narrative against them, yet you are ok with that, but hurt that a independent youtube channel fights back. Please.
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You're not wrong. I'm not sold on Bandt as the leader and I think the party needs to change its tact a bit. It lost badly in the Qld state election and that should have been a wake up, but apparently not.
Labor and LNP MPs are good mates outside of tele too. If there is a deal to be made or self-interest at play, then I'm sure they will be mates.
I know people will have a go, but Palestinians are semites too. Arabs as a whole are semites. Qatar, Algeria, Morocco, Oman, Syria...are some of the many countries that have semites. It is not exclusively Jews. In saying this, Israel will never engage in a humanitarian approach. It is not their MO and never has been since the first Nakba in 1947.