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World Cup Qualification Thread for 2026 - Socceroos/Asia

I 'tend' to agree.

There has been very little faith with G and G posters that Popa can select a team capable of winning games.

Aus should have have won the first two games, based on performance under Arnie, but didn't. Aus has had qualified success since under the new tenure, with Popa moving the team up to second on the table.

Can't really comment on Euroroos not selected, because I've only seen Scottish Cup games and Italian Cup games.

* I've read Triantis was selected in a best of season Scottish league team. Who selected it? Coaches, players, fans, media? The first two know a lot more about football than the latter two. For any players outside Rangers and Celtic to get into it is surprising? Did Triantis struggle with the heat in the ME training camp? Triantis is still young. There should be plenty more ops to play for Aus in the future.
It seems that Popa doesn't rate the Scottish league as highly as Arnold. I'm sure if any Euroroos were playing for Rangers or Celtic they would be selected.

* I saw a best of A L team selected by A L players. Thurgate made the midfield. Atkinson made RB. Surprised both haven't been considered for the Socceroos, given they were selected by peers?
Triantis was in the opta (whoscored) which is an stats algorithm mixed with ai to figure out which stats predict results the best. He was also 1 of 3 players nominated in the football writers association for team of the season

he also stands out on wyscout, which is more sophisticated and you need to normally pay for it by a scout has made a lot of it free, albeit a few months out of date usually

He also is the highest or 2nd highest non-celtic/rangers player on a lot of other free stats algorithms like sofa score and fotmob

in this case Triantis turned down selection it seems which is a worry and said he feels mixed about Greece and Australia. We are starting to struggle to keep dual nationals interesting in the Aussie team. A silver lining is he turned down a cap for Greece who, according to the coach of Hibs, selected him for their next 2 games. So at the moment he is turning down call ups from 2 nations
 
Mitch Duke started 4 matches for entire season (381 total minutes including sub appearances), and has a total season tally of 1 goal. On what basis is he being selected?! Given that apart from Duke, there's only 2 players (Boyle and Taggart) in the 26 man squad who've scored more than 2 career goals for the Socceroos, I'm wondering where our goals are coming from. You'd think any of the 4 Aussies that led the A League goal scoring table might have been a good option.
 
That's a very true point. Had we sensibly capped him for his worth he wouldn't be confused or spiteful. Maybe he'd have declined this window even after a cap due to his apparent big focus on finding a club.
No chance, his agent said in an interview previously that they're hoping Australia make the WC, so he was definitely wanting to play for us - he just got fucked over last international window by Popovic
 
I am less worried about Triantis than Balard. Nectar's is looking into his club future. Hibs want a permanent move and Sunderland moving to the Premier League. Bellingham is moving on from Sunderland but there is no guarantee that Triantis would get game time at Sunderland.
 
Kasey Bos u21Jordy Bos U21
xg0.10.05
xa0.10,12
dribbles (%)1.13 (51.1%)3.01 (61.7%)
chances created1.130.94
Intercepts1.181.22
Tackles1.621.47
Recoveries5.757.33
Long pass (%)0.74 (29.4%)0.98 (38.1%)
Passes (%)32.3 (82.5%)51.8 (86.2%)
Duels won (%)6.68 (54.8%)8.06 (56.%)
Reasonably similar stats. Kasey slightly better end product and slightly better decision making (better xg per shot), Jordy better at dribbles and circulation football
 
Triantis was in the opta (whoscored) which is an stats algorithm mixed with ai to figure out which stats predict results the best. He was also 1 of 3 players nominated in the football writers association for team of the season

he also stands out on wyscout, which is more sophisticated and you need to normally pay for it by a scout has made a lot of it free, albeit a few months out of date usually

He also is the highest or 2nd highest non-celtic/rangers player on a lot of other free stats algorithms like sofa score and fotmob

in this case Triantis turned down selection it seems which is a worry and said he feels mixed about Greece and Australia. We are starting to struggle to keep dual nationals interesting in the Aussie team. A silver lining is he turned down a cap for Greece who, according to the coach of Hibs, selected him for their next 2 games. So at the moment he is turning down call ups from 2 nations
I wouldn't take to much notice of football journos' opinions - unless former pros/coaches. Most have no background in pro or semi-pro football - hence lacking sufficient knowledge to evaluate and select players. Their training is in writing or interviewing.

AI not significant either. Stats in isolation are not that significant. Conversely, if Triantis is appraised by former pros, using stats to pinpoint specific aspects of his game, it is more compelling.

Once again, Popa has looked at Triantis in training camps and compared him to others in like for like conditions.

Most significant is Circati coming back match-fit.
 
I wouldn't take to much notice of football journos' opinions - unless former pros/coaches. Most have no background in pro or semi-pro football - hence lacking sufficient knowledge to evaluate and select players. Their training is in writing or interviewing.

AI not significant either. Stats in isolation are not that significant. Conversely, if Triantis is appraised by former pros, using stats to pinpoint specific aspects of his game, it is more compelling.

Once again, Popa has looked at Triantis in training camps and compared him to others in like for like conditions.

Most significant is Circati coming back match-fit.

So what stats, or information do you use to put Teague and Bratten above Ballard and Triantis?
 
Kasey Bos u21Jordy Bos U21
xg0.10.05
xa0.10,12
dribbles (%)1.13 (51.1%)3.01 (61.7%)
chances created1.130.94
Intercepts1.181.22
Tackles1.621.47
Recoveries5.757.33
Long pass (%)0.74 (29.4%)0.98 (38.1%)
Passes (%)32.3 (82.5%)51.8 (86.2%)
Duels won (%)6.68 (54.8%)8.06 (56.%)
Reasonably similar stats. Kasey slightly better end product and slightly better decision making (better xg per shot), Jordy better at dribbles and circulation football
When I've done my own stats and compared them to others and looked at a few replays to conclude a specific stat, the others are often hastily compiled - and are definitely inaccurate.

What are recoveries?


Duels won is a dodgy stat - when I've checked my own. Ditto tackles.

From observation I would have thought Jordi is a better ball carrier and dribbler than Kasey.

One stat that stands out is I'd surmise all of Souttar, Circati and Burgess pass the ball better over range than Geria.

With that excellent and informative video you posted about how gegenpressing / full pressing and intensive squeezing in the attacking third, I can see the importance of CBs needing longer range passing in their kit bag.
 
I wouldn't take to much notice of football journos' opinions - unless former pros/coaches. Most have no background in pro or semi-pro football - hence lacking sufficient knowledge to evaluate and select players. Their training is in writing or interviewing.

AI not significant either. Stats in isolation are not that significant. Conversely, if Triantis is appraised by former pros, using stats to pinpoint specific aspects of his game, it is more compelling.

Once again, Popa has looked at Triantis in training camps and compared him to others in like for like conditions.

Most significant is Circati coming back match-fit.
In this case triantis unfortunately turned down a cap for us

Though fortunately he turned down greece

Recoveries are when you win a ball that isnt contested, a pretty good measure of work rate
 
I'm still giving Popa the benefit of newness in the role at the head of a stale and failing team, along with our results under his first games for us.

I cannot comment on his player selection on any informed basis but I can agree with those who say that he has chosen those players who he thinks will best fit his system immediately, and from that limited group those who have shown themselves best at that system in camp.

It is pointless me rating his choices the same as it is pointless me reviewing a referees decision based on what that referee saw. I can never know what he saw, can only guess at what he thinks, have no idea what history and circumstance was included in his decision, and I am not a referee.

Apply the same thought to me and the Australian national manager and I am equally ignorant when it comes down to it.

What I can say is I am not awed by the squad and once again it is on Popa to have them show me why he is the manager and I am just another keen supporter.

I called 3 wins from 3 games two games ago, and am sitting 2 up with the big one to go. It is strange how the passage of time without seeing them play has me again expecting what we have been seeing for the last couple of years rather than expecting a continuation of our improving play. Popa has the freshest eyes on the squad to make the calls he has though.

For me, it is hard to break the habit of low expectation.

But we will win, dammit, because that is how the world should be.

Come on Popa and come on Roos - we can do this.
 
So what stats, or information do you use to put Teague and Bratten above Ballard and Triantis?
Teague really surprised me how his technique on the ball stood up playing for the Socceroos against China - one of the best in the team in terms of one touch passing, two touch passing, first touch. Not quite as assured with his right foot as O'Neill - who is equally assured on both sides of the body.

Teague won plenty of hard balls too.

Keeper and Grazor identified at the 60ish minute mark, where Teague lost a marker. For mine it depends whether his coaching instruction from Popa - was as to whether the team was adopting a zonal or man marking strategy?

Brattan - is a technical player, but had the toughest opposition in Japan for Aus. His major weakness is mobility for international games in chasing ball in BPO against the Japanese juggernaut.

Haven't seen Ballard/Balard since the AL. I thought his teammate, Nisbet, was better for CCM. Ballard covered ground well in BPO, but was Mr Average with the ball. He has had a good club break this year, and is playing in the 6th best UEFA league. Ballard must have improved, but at his age technique doesn't improve that quickly.

Triantis - poor game as a Aus Under 23 CB a few years ago - where he was sent off. Mediocre games in Scottish Cup games - but one was against a really good Celtic team. From what I've seen in the Scottish league many teams have poor off the ball movement.

Hence, they tend to turn the ball over quickly, resulting in teams accruing low numbers of passes per game and the match played in the transitions more. No doubt one will improve in ball winning from Scotland, but is Triantis's off the ball movement to support his teammates less effective than a number of his teammates who are expected to do this all the time in club football?

Do some posters realise that in the AL players touch the ball almost twice as much per game than in Scotland? Unless one plays for Rangers or Celtic?

What concerns me is that a few posters won't recognise Popa evaluates players in camp in like for like scenarios. ATM we have a lot of young players coming through - slightly short of their peak.

The likes of Trantis, Robertson, Volpato will become irrelevant if they commit elsewhere, as the depth increases.

On the ball, Valadon for Melb Vic is outstanding - better than most older Aussie Socceroo DMs - central midfielders. I don't notice Teague as much as him at MV, but have no doubt he breaks up attacks better than Jordi V ATM.

When I elucidate reputable judges of players, Thurgate, whose skill set continues to improve, and was selected in a best AL team by other AL footballers, along with Teague and an Auck player, seems not to warrant a mention for a Socceroos berth?

In terms of handling speed, first touch, use of both sides of the body and both footedness, showing for the ball proactively, body shape, passing accuracy, the likes of the young Bozinovski, Okon- Entsler, Youlley as DMs, are very promising! Another who I've seen in the u 20s, is the tough tackling Deli - also a monster as a pass and move exponent in tight spaces.

It seems if Segecic becomes more disciplined, to add to his searing pace, dribbling at speed, running with the ball, shooting from range, is another emerging weapon - if he doesn't choose Croatia - if they select him?

There are so many coming though I can't keep up with them!
 
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Truth is Okon Jr may be great, but it's not proven so he has no right to be near that team.

Such a big nepobaby, it feels like I'm watching Dakota Johnson in football ball boots.
I think Okon - T takes too many touches at times - but has a better skill set than his Dad - because is so much better off the ball when the other team is in possession.

Okon - T is a quality technician on the ball.
 
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I can't compare him to some of the Euroroos, other than what I've seen them do for the Socceroos, but Jake Hollman is another quality midfielder - despite not making the best of the AL midfielders in the best of AL team for the season as voted for by AL players.

Skillset wise can't see what Yazbek has over JH?
 
I'm sickened. Different types by my hope is Yazbek and Okon kill it in the next 2 years that we can breathe a bit. Still not happy. The PFA team of season from 3 was Milanovic, Goodwin and Botic. Screaming of potential!
Mate, I've never known you to be happy with Popa/Socceroos in recent times!

You do realise Aus has gone up to second on the table after 1 point from Arnie's first two games in this round?
 
Two players going well a short time ago and have heard little about them recently, are Lachlan Brook on the wing and Niew as a DM.

Any reports?
 
I think Okon - T takes too many touches at times - but has a better skill set than his Dad - because is so much better off the ball when the other team is in possession.

Okon - T is a quality technician on the ball.

And what senior team football are you basing these views off?
 
In this case triantis unfortunately turned down a cap for us

Though fortunately he turned down greece

Recoveries are when you win a ball that isnt contested, a pretty good measure of work rate
That can also apply to intercepts - often a ball won/received in space played by the opposition, through effective reading of play.
 
And what senior team football are you basing these views off.
True.

I've only seen Okon play for the U20s.

I identified good skill sets in Segecic and Valadon in the u23s - which have extrapolated to AL senior football. They had played little senior football at the time. Teague, Triantis and Villupillay too playing U23s I also identified as having quality skill sets- who are now senior Socceroos.

Haven't got the team sheet in front of me, but isn't Okon selected in the current Roos?

I'm told Okon Jr has played for a high level Portuguese senior Div 2 team. Port Div 1 is similar calibre to Dutch and Belgian top leagues. Not sure if there is more depth in their second tier?
 
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