With the high standard of play in the A-League, why are the crowds so low?

[Monoethnic Social Club]

A bit early on the turps aren't you old son?

Been a football fan since 1996 albeit the English Premier League (been a Leeds fan since the George Graham era).

Had a passing interest in the NSL when one played in my local area but when they left my interest in it went with it.

Wow, how did you go all those years when Leeds didnt have a top flight club? Did you pick another team to follow in the Prem?

 

[Sharkman84]

Wow, how did you go all those years when Leeds didnt have a top flight club? Did you pick another team to follow in the Prem?

You do realise the stark difference between the English & Australian games right?

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

The supporters should have tried harder to keep your league alive. Apart from America, where else in the world would this have been allowed to happen?

Most of Europe. You forget that the original community clubs sold themselves off in order to survive. The Economist magazine noted about 25 years ago that the European practice open slather capitalism in football whereas the Americans practice Socialism in the NFL.

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

No argument there whatsoever..... Didnt help that a large segment of the population didnt want to go and watch matches because they couldn't stand their fellow Australians having a foreign identity.

If you went to the VFL (and then AFL) there were plenty of Greeks, Italians, Hispanics and no one had any issues. The ones who copped racial abuse were Aborigines. I also note that the Sub-saharan Africans have taken to AFL quite well. The ones who have been slower in adapting sport have been the East Asians.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

You do realise the stark difference between the English & Australian games right?

They both play for 90 mins, with 11 players on each side no? Both have VAR and ridiculously biased fans.

Apart from the ludicrous closed off league which English fans almost rioted against when the Super league was proposed what is actually different?

 

[biggiemic]

Respectfully disagree.

The young Aussie players coming through are pushing the AL standard up IMO. The AL quality is better than ever.

This can be exemplified in the younger whiz gen, with 10 years of the new NC coaching curric, having superior skill sets and tactical nous. Former older domestic AL regulars have been forced to the bench as subs as the whiz kids push them out of first elevens.

I had a period where I didn't watch much AL for a few seasons after Fox stopped covering football.

One of the other forum members in partic was keeping an eye on the AL. Off forum he suggested to me the new kids were exciting. When I went back to seeing a lot of football with a Paramount sub about two years ago, watching AL and underage national teams, I was staggered with the improvement.

This is interesting.

I think the standard of the A-league has gone backwards, and is quiet poor at the moment.

However, the kids aged say 10-15 these days looks extremely promising. I was actually shocked too see how good they looked.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

If you went to the VFL (and then AFL) there were plenty of Greeks, Italians, Hispanics and no one had any issues. The ones who copped racial abuse were Aborigines. I also note that the Sub-saharan Africans have taken to AFL quite well. The ones who have been slower in adapting sport have been the East Asians.

I wonder why all these migrant groups chose to attend a sport where, especially in the early days, they couldn't understand the language being spoken in the terracesa around them and the clubs ALL had a clear, Anglo centric suburban history to them?

 

[Sharkman84]

Wow, how did you go all those years when Leeds didnt have a top flight club? Did you pick another team to follow in the Prem?

Besides, at that time all of the Sydney NSL clubs when I was growing up in the 1990's were all based in the Fairfield/Bossley Park area.

I am from the outer southern suburbs.

Why would I have bothered supporting a European nationalist social club from the other side of town?

 

[Sharkman84]

I wonder why all these migrant groups chose to attend a sport where, especially in the early days, they couldn't understand the language being spoken in the terracesa around them and the clubs ALL had a clear, Anglo centric suburban history to them?

For a bloke who's hostile to mainstream Australia you sure seem to expect those same people to conform to your European nationalist mantra.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Besides, at that time all of the Sydney NSL clubs when I was growing up in the 1990's were all based in the Fairfield/Bossley Park area.

I am from the outer southern suburbs.

Why would I have bothered supporting a European nationalist social club from the other side of town?

For a bloke who's hostile to mainstream Australia you sure seem to expect those same people to conform to your European nationalist mantra.

Oh FFS.. your all over the shop... What nationalist mantra would that be then? Migrants came to thsi country and still come to this country and some of them watch ango centric sports without ANY single mention of not fitting in yet you claim YOU couldn't find a team in the NSL becuase you couldnt "fit in" ????


Genuinely curious as to where you draw your assumptions?

 

[Sharkman84]

Oh FFS.. your all over the shop... What nationalist mantra would that be then? Migrants came to thsi country and still come to this country and some of them watch ango centric sports without ANY single mention of not fitting in yet you claim YOU couldn't find a team in the NSL becuase you couldnt "fit in" ????


Genuinely curious as to where you draw your assumptions?

Are you really this thick or are you just a resident shit stirrer?

 

[Sutherlandbear]

If you went to the VFL (and then AFL) there were plenty of Greeks, Italians, Hispanics and no one had any issues. The ones who copped racial abuse were Aborigines. I also note that the Sub-saharan Africans have taken to AFL quite well. The ones who have been slower in adapting sport have been the East Asians.

That is where you Victorians have failed, allowing immigrants from Football nations to get on board with the Aussie Rules.

Now go and get the East Asians, and get them engaged at whatever level you want, be it, NPL or heaven forbid, The A league.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Are you really this thick or are you just a resident shit stirrer?

Why dont you try and answer the question instead of trying to be insulting?

WHAT nationalistic mantra am I (or my club for that matter) promoting? Im genuinely curious what you are talking about?

How is South Melbourne FC any different to say your club Sydney FC?

Both have "foreign" orign stories, both are football clubs, both play in Australia... Sure yours has a foreign owner, is allowed to compete in the so called "top league" without fear of relegation and is a franchise and mine is members based, not for profit football club competing in the state leagues (currently fighting to avoid being relegated) but where does the "nationalistic mantra" fit in?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

That is where you Victorians have failed, allowing immigrants from Football nations to get on board with the Aussie Rules.

Now go and get the East Asians, and get them engaged at whatever level you want, be it, NPL or heaven forbid, The A league.

Thats the APL marketing teams job mate...

 

[Sutherlandbear]

Thats the APL marketing teams job mate...

If we all do a little, and all that.

 

[Sharkman84]

Why dont you try and answer the question instead of trying to be insulting?

WHAT nationalistic mantra am I (or my club for that matter) promoting? Im genuinely curious what you are talking about?

How is South Melbourne FC any different to say your club Sydney FC?

Both have "foreign" orign stories, both are football clubs, both play in Australia... Sure yours has a foreign owner, is allowed to compete in the so called "top league" without fear of relegation and is a franchise and mine is members based, not for profit football club competing in the state leagues (currently fighting to avoid being relegated) but where does the "nationalistic mantra" fit in?

What foreign origin story are you waffling on about?

Sydney FC were the brainchild of Football NSW when the NSL folded and FFA were looking for consortiums to compete in the then fledgling A-League.

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

That is where you Victorians have failed, allowing immigrants from Football nations to get on board with the Aussie Rules.

Now go and get the East Asians, and get them engaged at whatever level you want, be it, NPL or heaven forbid, The A league.

Lawrence Wong says hi.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

What foreign origin story are you waffling on about?

Sydney FC were the brainchild of Football NSW when the NSL folded and FFA were looking for consortiums to compete in the then fledgling A-League.

Oh, it was just a coincidence then ... sure OK... Lucky for the Southern outer suburbs brainchild coming along for ya... Did FFA look very far for "consortiums" for that one?

 

[LFC]

Besides, at that time all of the Sydney NSL clubs when I was growing up in the 1990's were all based in the Fairfield/Bossley Park area.

I am from the outer southern suburbs.

Why would I have bothered supporting a European nationalist social club from the other side of town?

Not sure what outer south burbs from but Sutho (more anglo background to a degree) has been involved in NSL/NPL long before the 90's and to date.
Parra Eagles/Melita 90's.
St George till 91.
Gong/Wolves/City 88 - 04.

Shark don't think FNSW had anything to do with the SFC franchise, that was Lowy/FFA.

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

I wonder why all these migrant groups chose to attend a sport where, especially in the early days, they couldn't understand the language being spoken in the terracesa around them and the clubs ALL had a clear, Anglo centric suburban history to them?

I think that it was more to do with the suburban history. Carlton is basically Italian, Footscray is everyone because the migrant hostel was just up the road, North Melbourne was the abbatoir on Newmarket road and lots of migrants worked there (low skill, hard labour) and their workmates would go and play on Saturday in Arden street. No migrants at Melbourne because it was old Anglo money (although Barassi did break through), Collingwood was Greek, Hawthorn was Anglo with some money but not old money, etc.