World Athletics - Gender cannot trump biology

[vo2Max]

Female track and field athletes will be subject to a mandatory once-in-a-lifetime genetic test to prove their biological sex if they wish to compete in world ranking competitions.

World Athletics announced the new regulations overnight, which will come into effect on September 1 and be in force at the 2025 World Athletics Championships in Tokyo, which begin on September 13.

Well received by all those who believe in fair play and protecting women in sport.

It's been a long time coming.

‘Gender cannot trump biology’: World Athletics introduce mandatory genetic test

Female track and field athletes will have to undergo a mandatory once-in-a-lifetime test ahead of the World Athletics Championships in September.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Well received by all those who believe in fair play and protecting women in sport.

It's been a long time coming.

‘Gender cannot trump biology’: World Athletics introduce mandatory genetic test

Female track and field athletes will have to undergo a mandatory once-in-a-lifetime test ahead of the World Athletics Championships in September.

www.smh.com.au

Fair is fair, as long as it is mandated accross all sport and the science behind it is sound I agree.

 

[vo2Max]

Fair is fair, as long as it is mandated accross all sport and the science behind it is sound I agree.

Peak sporting bodies will make their own decisions. I would imagine that FIFA might feel conflicted on this issue.

 

[JS96]

Just needed to check the times but I was amazed how Kaylee McKeown, the dominant women's backstroker, was blazed away by the men in the mixed relay first leg.

 

[vo2Max]

Just needed to check the times but I was amazed how Kaylee McKeown, the dominant women's backstroker, was blazed away by the men in the mixed relay first leg.

I don't follow swimming but generally the 10% advantage usually applies.

 

[Muz]

I don't follow swimming but generally the 10% advantage usually applies.

Proves that women, kilo for kilo, are better athletes.

 

[Muz]

Fair is fair, as long as it is mandated accross all sport and the science behind it is sound I agree.

Lol. The 'science' is far from clear on what is and isn't a biological male or female which is why the IOC dumped the tests in the first place. Ask 10 biologists for their definition and you'll end up with 10 different answers.

Shit show incoming.

 

[Muz]

Here are 2 short videos that the bigots won't watch which is fine unless you want to comment knowledgeably on the subject. (In which case they should.)

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Here are 2 short videos that the bigots won't watch which is fine unless you want to comment knowledgeably on the subject. (In which case they should.)

2% deviation in ANY scientific categorisation isnt enough to hinder classification.
In an age where science can determine the difference between males and females in utero with a 98% degree of certainty "bigots" have nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[Muz]

2% deviation in ANY scientific categorisation isnt enough to hinder classification.
In an age where science can determine the difference between males and females in utero with a 98% degree of certainty "bigots" have nothing to do with the conversation.

2% equates to 160 million people around the world.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

2% equates to 160 million people around the world.

Sure mate.... but it is STILL 2%. If we, as a society, are going to continue separating sport based on male/female, then a clear "line" has to be drawn.... Yo can equate it to bigotry all you want, its more about fair play to me and many others.

The ONLY other alternative is to do away with male/female sport altogether and operate purely on a best of the best open system.. I personally dont think that/s fair on the 98% of the population that want to compete on an equal footing against their biological peers..

 

[Muz]

Sure mate.... but it is STILL 2%. If we, as a society, are going to continue separating sport based on male/female, then a clear "line" has to be drawn.... Yo can equate it to bigotry all you want, its more about fair play to me and many others.

The ONLY other alternative is to do away with male/female sport altogether and operate purely on a best of the best open system.. I personally dont think that/s fair on the 98% of the population that want to compete on an equal footing against their biological peers..

I'm not arguing for men masquerading as women, or men that have gone through puberty and then transitioned being allowed to compete against women. I'm saying that using a 'scientific' test to determine what sex someone is isn't as cut and dried as everyone seems to think.

Like the second bloke said, there isn't an easy answer and if you really wanted to be fair you'd could possibly split the categories into 2 via hormonal markers of the participants.

You're saying 'biological peers' when the science is murky at best as to what makes someone one sex or another or more correctly rules out one person but not another.

I agree they need to do something.

 

[Muz]

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Yeah I am not questioning the science as I don't have the answer either ... Im just pushing for an agreed upon (and fair) definition biologically ... If the SRY gene is a contentious one Im sure that another, universally agreed upon, definition can be found? If not, we are failed as a species oif we cant even tell the difference between men and women.

No interest in emotional or sexual identity... just the physiology behind separating women from men in an competitive environment.. My desire is to have women and girls have the avenue to participate in sport in an environment that allows them, physiologically, to be competitive to the best of their abilities... everything else is culture war bullshit as far as I am concerned.

 

[Muz]

Yeah I am not questioning the science as I don't have the answer either ... Im just pushing for an agreed upon (and fair) definition biologically ... If the SRY gene is a contentious one Im sure that another, universally agreed upon, definition can be found? If not, we are failed as a species oif we cant even tell the difference between men and women.

No interest in emotional or sexual identity... just the physiology behind separating women from men in an competitive environment.. My desire is to have women and girls have the avenue to participate in sport in an environment that allows them, physiologically, to be competitive to the best of their abilities... everything else is culture war bullshit as far as I am concerned.

I'm not posting these to refute you specifically. It came up in my feed and I thought it was relevant here.

The point of that little clip is the test they're proposing to use isn't silver bullet they''re hoping.

Also this is an odd statement 'we are failed as a species if we cant even tell the difference between men and women'.

Why? What if biologically there were male / female and other? How would this be a failure to recognise scientifically, if it happens to be true, that there aren't strictly two sexes?

It happens with other animals that can exhibit both sex characteristics, can change sequentially, are intersex or can morph between the two or alternate. What makes us special?

 

[Muz]

We're all animals mate. There's nothing particularly special about primates.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

I'm not posting these to refute you specifically. It came up in my feed and I thought it was relevant here.

The point of that little clip is the test they're proposing to use isn't silver bullet we're hoping.

Also this is an odd statement 'we are failed as a species if we cant even tell the difference between men and women'.

Why? What if biologically there were male / female and other? How would this be a failure to recognise scientifically, if it happens to be true, that there aren't strictly two sexes?

It happens with other animals that can exhibit both sex characteristics, can change sequentially, are intersex or can morph between the two or alternate. What makes us special?

The sole purpose of sexual reproduction, is just that, reproduction. The fact that it feels good is a biological evolution that helps us strive to fulfil the biologic necessity of survival of the species... Hundreds of millions of tiny mutations have pushed for our Species, Genus, Family, Order... all the way down to our Class "Mammalia" to require a biological male and biologicaly female set of reproductive organs in which to perpetuate offspring. For Homo Sapiens, there are, in essence ONLY two sexes.. all other deviations, whether genetic, physiological or emotional, are mutations ... strictly speaking.

Sure many other "branches" of the biodiversity "tree" perpetuate in different ways but we were wired by God and Nature (I can't wait to read the response to this one btw ) to multiply in a specific way.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

We're all animals mate. There's nothing particularly special about primates.

Oh I agree, but when it comes to reproduction there is

 

[Muz]

The sole purpose of sexual reproduction, is just that, reproduction. The fact that it feels good is a biological evolution that helps us strive to fulfil the biologic necessity of survival of the species... Hundreds of millions of tiny mutations have pushed for our Species, Genus, Family, Order... all the way down to our Class "Mammalia" to require a biological male and biologicaly female set of reproductive organs in which to perpetuate offspring. For Homo Sapiens, there are, in essence ONLY two sexes.. all other deviations, whether genetic, physiological or emotional, are mutations ... strictly speaking.

Sure many other "branches" of the biodiversity "tree" perpetuate in different ways but we were wired by God and Nature (I can't wait to read the response to this one btw ) to multiply in a specific way.

So your definition is if you can have a baby you're female?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

So your definition is if you can have a baby you're female?

Not precisely, but I do know that you can't if you are male