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♔ ♕ ♚ ♛ Australia U17/U20/U23 National Team Tournaments & Discussion Thread ♔ ♕ ♚ ♛

Just reading the posts above:
1. If the club does not release the player, then we can't hold the player responsible.
2. Official FIFA windows are the only times that players must be released by clubs if required to do national duties.
3. The comment about people management by FA needs to be considered because Robertson is on the record as saying that FA pissed him off (summary).
4. Irankunda may well have opted to stay in Europe because he wanted to establish himself at Grasshoppers. He has already worn the Socceroos jumper so he is more likely to be called into the NT. I can accept that.
My gripe is mostly with number 3. We need to liaise as best as we can. Other nations get their players released but also have better alternatives so they're not as bothered. If the club says no then OK but at least we're on best possible terms.

Irankunda not going to this Asian Cup is understandable but missing the last U23 wasn't. We didn't score a single goal there. It was a mess. Circati was a long shot but we didn't even seem to try when we knew it had been coming a year in advance.
 
My gripe is mostly with number 3. We need to liaise as best as we can. Other nations get their players released but also have better alternatives so they're not as bothered. If the club says no then OK but at least we're on best possible terms.

Irankunda not going to this Asian Cup is understandable but missing the last U23 wasn't. We didn't score a single goal there. It was a mess. Circati was a long shot but we didn't even seem to try when we knew it had been coming a year in advance.
It felt a bit like Arnold going to the clubs we'll sort you out here but we'll need them for the seniors. That was my impression anyway. Arnold seemed to do a lot of relationship management.
 
Thankfully water under a bridge now but next season we've got to ensure Bayern will release him. I don't know if clubs are obliged to. This is a FIFA tournament after all. Irankunda should be loaned out again and we have to ensure the absolute best squad for this.

Hopefully the Socceroos have qualified as October 10 is the first game for AFC round 4 and this overlaps with the U20 WC starting September 27.
Clubs are not obliged to release players for youth tournaments. Most clubs are reluctant to release a player if that player is a part of their first team. If the player is only a reserve team or youth team player they tend to be more flexible thinking the player could benefit from the experience. The above is only a generalisation, but holds more often than not.
 
Clubs are not obliged to release players for youth tournaments. Most clubs are reluctant to release a player if that player is a part of their first team. If the player is only a reserve team or youth team player they tend to be more flexible thinking the player could benefit from the experience. The above is only a generalisation, but holds more often than not.
There used to be a FFA/FA clause in A league licensing agreements that they had to release players who get called up to youth squads.

I wonder if this is still the case now with the seperation to APL.
 
Are you saying they shouldn't get plastered? Or they should get plastered and it should be sent out on socials?

They're under 20s not under 15s. Let them get pissed if they want.
Oh some of you are so sensitive.

It's just a joke talking about the fact the official pages aren't going to show the guys have a drink and celebrating afterwards.
 
Oh some of you are so sensitive.

It's just a joke talking about the fact the official pages aren't going to show the guys have a drink and celebrating afterwards.

Hard to tell these days with so many bloody Debbie Downers around the place.
 
Must say I was impressed with all of Aus' opponents in the last 4 games I watched - China in the second half, Iraq, Japan and Saudi.

Saudi -

* players like Toure who burst through the other defences with pace, power and some excellent dribbling, and running with the ball, could not penetrate the Saudi defence. They always seemed to have players fast enough who could turn and chase and check him physically. Sometimes we were able to break through the middle in central attacking interplay against the other teams. We struggled against Saudi.

* Aus Defensive Transitions - so often when we lost the ball in a turnover, from just 1 missed tackle, or them intercepting, we struggled to organise ourselves in the 6 second transition from Ball Possession to Ball Possession Opposition quickly enough. Conversely, the Saudi Attacking Transitions were so quick, with either a long, lofted ball over the top, or a fast ball carrying Saudi bursting into our pen box.

*Our defenders had less pace without the ball, than the Saudis had with the ball. If we played long straight balls, I felt the Saudis more easily repelled them.

* Saudi outmuscled us in their defensive half. Physically stronger Saudi defenders shielded the ball, out-tackled, out-jostled and out-headed our attacking mids, wingers and forwards. At senior level, the Socceroos tend to hold their own in the attacking half, whilst they win the 1v1 physical duels in the defensive half. Toure and Jovanovic, and maybe Johnny Yull, held their own, but I thought Pearman, Quintal and Badalato lost a lot of hard ball duels.

In the defensive half Bennie, Okon, Deli, Kikianis, Esposito and Talidora won the majority of hard ball duels, which is to be expected.

AUs strengths -

* some really good patient build ups in the attacking half, with rhythm changes - fast, slow, fast, slow, fast, slow - in neat triangles and diamonds. After the 2010 South African World Cup, Berger and the FFA Tech Dept, analysed that Aus couldn't do this anywhere near as well as the world powerhouses. It has been an aim since to close the gap through the NC. The U 20s are more than closing the gap.

* Mental strength - always identified as having it, it is still there in spades, with the fight back against Iraq.

* Technical qualities - first touch, running with the ball, handling speed, 1v1 attacking skills -have all improved relative to the opposition. Although Youlley, Irankunda, Walatee, and Schreiber, weren't there , they, Okon, Bennie, Quintal, Deli, Toure and Jovanovic, pretty well match any Asian nations.
Grazor has suggested that our long passing isn't as good, and it may be true? Something to work on.

* Defensive organisation and cohesion was good.

The foot speed of the Saudi players was seriously impressive. They were noticeably faster than our players overall.
 
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