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Best overseas leagues for Aussies?

jas88 said:
yes an organised press is done using the whole team we all know that. It's Sadio's defensive actions(blocks/interceptions) that were significantly higher than his counter part Mo Salah.

Please take some time to review the stats.

Mane double as many blocks and inteceptions as Salah in less time at the club.

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I always thought Liverpool fans under appreciated Mane... and this proves it. Should of just payed him a decent wage.
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jas, wherever you have seen dissatisfied LFC fans re Mane would be a a very small % like most fan base's are towards players.
One crappy game, or 2/3 missed chances some get stuck in.
As for the majority of us he is a bloody Legend LFC player that was sad to see depart - incl Bobby might I add, we/you have no clue what contract discussions were and its obvious many players got lured by the Saudi $ - this is life.

My general comment of the press was just that no matter naming players, I don't need to read the stats for I saw/see it with my own eyes every single game who does more k's, blocks, intercepts, line breaks and impact thery make in the game.
Takes all types.
MO has never been a whiz bang chaser unless its close but he does take up space, Bobby didn't have th epace of Sadio but again his game sense was brilliant in the press, have you noticed MO hardly jumps up for a header to contest his opposite - go figure a player of that level hardly heads a ball.
Wonder stats have a header count by players.
There is always one or 2 who do more/mobile and many given attributes that help combine making impact with the ones who do less but are effective just the same where they excel combined.
Pretty simple really, those who need stat after stat are not watching every single game, sure helps post game and leading into next but the eye/mind has a pretty good stat analysis as well.
Thanks for posting back don't think it proved it as you thought.
 
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Brazil Serie A or B. Paraguay Professional or even Colombia. Great way to learn the "dark arts" especially with the WC in 2026.
 
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YdF said:
Brazil Serie A or B. Paraguay Professional or even Colombia. Great way to learn the "dark arts" especially with the WC in 2026.
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Great thought there.
Trouble is our guys would be like lambs for the slaughter the way I see it.
We have never dealt with the dark arts well at all for we frowned upon it for decades way back.
Sure would be a great schooling I agree.
 
I've had a good look at most Scottish teams and the style of football is woeful.

Unless one plays for a superb Celtic team, who are so dominant, or Rangers, I think it is a backwards step moving from the AL to play there.

Why?

I've seen so many Scottish teams lose the ball after a few passes. Players don't seem to be coached to proactively move into position to support the ball carrier, opening passing lanes before they receive the ball. There seems to be no long, short, left and right passing lanes at diagonal angles created. If players on the ball are under time and space pressure, they hoof it.

If one watches Celtic, they are very good at doing the aforementioned. Ditto Serie A teams. Even the AL maintains possession more like Celtic and the Serie A teams.

In Scotland players will touch the ball about half of what they do in the AL in team possession over 90 minutes.
 
Scottish national team has few players playing in Scotland outside Celtic and Rangers.

1 keeper plays for Hearts.
1 forward plays for Hearts U 20.
1 forward plays for Motherwell
1 midfielder plays for Aberdeen.

That is all.

2 play for Rangers
1 plays for Celtic.

Essentially, Rangers and Celtic comprise foreign players. So there is little Scottish about the 2 Scottish league powerhouses.

9 play for EPL /Eng Championship teams. Not sure which leagues Preston, Ipswich, Birmingham, Bournemouth are? Champ or EPL? They have 1 player at Liverpool and 1 at Arsenal.

Only 7 Scottish national team players play in Scotland. 15 of them have been recruited to play in better overseas leagues. I'm gobsmacked Celtic and Rangers have so few Scottish in their first elevens. The high quality of football Celtic plays, any first eleven player should walk into the Scottish national team.

4 play in Italy's Serie A. Is Torino Serie A or B?
1 plays in Austria.
1 in Spain.
 
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For his part, Jed Drew who’s now at TSV Hartberg in Austria reckons its Bundesliga is just about the ideal first European destination for our players. I’m certainly inclined to agree; this cultural-w@nk about “we’re an Anglophone country so ofc we gravitate towards the UK” needs to d1e in the @r$3 ASAP💡

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I personally don't think their IS such a mythical beast as "the best league for Aussies" every player is different, matures at a different rate, can fit, culturally, in a different environment... No use sending a Volpatto to FInland for arguments sake, although maybe if he had he would return back to Aus and play for the Socceroos.
 
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BA81 said:
For his part, Jed Drew who’s now at TSV Hartberg in Austria reckons its Bundesliga is just about the ideal first European destination for our players. I’m certainly inclined to agree; this cultural-w@nk about “we’re an Anglophone country so ofc we gravitate towards the UK” needs to d1e in the @r$3 ASAP💡

www.frontpagefootball.net

Jed Drew aware of previous Aussie experiences as he begins Austrian adventure

In an interview with Ian Pulczynski, Jed Drew says he is hopeful a move to Austria will help him gain valuable minutes and experience.
www.frontpagefootball.net www.frontpagefootball.net
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Good head on his shoulders
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
I personally don't think their IS such a mythical beast as "the best league for Aussies" every player is different, matures at a different rate, can fit, culturally, in a different environment... No use sending a Volpatto to FInland for arguments sake, although maybe if he had he would return back to Aus and play for the Socceroos.
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Not Finland per se(unless you’re signed by HJK Helsinki, who are basically guaranteed continental-football every second season or so) but Austria would’ve been a decent stepping-stone for Volpato had he not gotten a look-in in the Italian youth-leagues💡
 
BA81 said:
For his part, Jed Drew who’s now at TSV Hartberg in Austria reckons its Bundesliga is just about the ideal first European destination for our players. I’m certainly inclined to agree; this cultural-w@nk about “we’re an Anglophone country so ofc we gravitate towards the UK” needs to d1e in the @r$3 ASAP💡

www.frontpagefootball.net

Jed Drew aware of previous Aussie experiences as he begins Austrian adventure

In an interview with Ian Pulczynski, Jed Drew says he is hopeful a move to Austria will help him gain valuable minutes and experience.
www.frontpagefootball.net www.frontpagefootball.net
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Interesting?

Thanks for posting.

Stakeholders in football in Aus, dislike England's EPL, Champ and League 1 being used as a constant reference point. They feel there isn't enough recognition of Portugal, Netherlands, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Switzerland - all having viable leagues and football culture.

The physical intensity of the EPL tends to burn players out more quickly than the other 4 of the UEFA Big Five on the Continent.
 
BA81 said:
Not Finland per se(unless you’re signed by HJK Helsinki, who are basically guaranteed continental-football every second season or so) but Austria would’ve been a decent stepping-stone for Volpato had he not gotten a look-in in the Italian youth-leagues💡
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fair but you know what Im trying to say.... as much as opportunity and continental football are attractive, these players are young men, often away from home for the first time ...
 
Decentric said:
Interesting?

Thanks for posting.

Stakeholders in football in Aus, dislike England's EPL, Champ and League 1 being used as a constant reference point. They feel there isn't enough recognition of Portugal, Netherlands, France, Spain, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Switzerland - all having viable leagues and football culture.

The physical intensity of the EPL tends to burn players out more quickly than the other 4 of the UEFA Big Five on the Continent.
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This is why I maintain it’s a cultural-issue as much as any other factor: we grow up believing the EPL is ‘the best’ league in the world & it so happens to be the top-flight of ‘the mother-country’ etc.

It’s just Eurosnob/console-kiddie posturing that has very little basis in genuine ⚽️ing knowledge/fandom, IMHO.
 
After reading the Drew article Austria presents as a decent first league for Aussies overseas.

It was interesting him referring to less time and space on the ball and the faster tempo of the game.

Watching Drew for Mac, he seemed to have a lot of goal sense. I wasn't sure whether it was permanent precocious nous or temporary form.

When Aus plays Japan, they tend to give us less time and space on the ball than any other Asian rival. It is a step up.
 
BA81 said:
This is why I maintain it’s a cultural-issue as much as any other factor: we grow up believing the EPL is ‘the best’ league in the world & it so happens to be the top-flight of ‘the mother-country’ etc.

It’s just Eurosnob/console-kiddie posturing that has very little basis in genuine ⚽️ing knowledge/fandom, IMHO.
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There is no doubt the EPL is a very good league, but so are the other four of the Big UEFA Five - and - the Brazilian and Argentinian leagues.

Plus about 30 -40 other quality clubs in Belgium, Portugal, Switzerland, Netherlands, Greece, and maybe those big three in Austria?

PSV, Porto, Ajax, Benfica, Sporting Lisbon, Feyenoorde, Anderlecht, Celtic, etc, may be better than many clubs in the mid and lower echelons of the Big Five.
 
Decentric said:
There is no doubt the EPL is a very good league, but so are the other four of the Big UEFA Five - and - the Brazilian and Argentinian leagues.

Plus about 30 -40 other quality clubs in Belgium, Portugal, Switzerland, Netherlands, Greece, and maybe those big three in Austria?

PSV, Porto, Ajax, Benfica, Sporting Lisbon, Feyenoorde, Anderlecht, Celtic, etc, may be better than many clubs in the mid and lower echelons of the Big Five.
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broadly I agree, but ever since that court decision about not getting constant compensation for players who go from club to club, top teams outside the big 5 have declined gradually

these days almost all top teams outside the big 5 would be relegation battlers
 
Dutch, Belgian, Danish, Austrian and Norwegian leagues have all served us well in recent years. All are professionally run ie no payment issues or crazy weekly sackings, English isn't an issue, prioritise technicality (at least to a degree ie more than British Isles), have relatively high ELO ratings especially Belgium and Dutch, and don't seem to have some kind of aversion/perceptual bias against our players like some leagues do. Also all offer access to continental football competitions which then can lead as a pathway to a. Playing at a higher standard and B. being picked up by better clubs.

Ppl mention Bundi 2 and Swiss leagues on here a lot but both have dropped a lot on ELO ratings and in case of Bundi 2, doesn't offer possible continental football competitions and thus as much of a stepping stone to bigger clubs imo. Still not bad options though and a hell of a lot better than Nisbit going to Ross County.. This may be the worst club selection vs player profile I've ever seen from any of our players!
 
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