zimbos05 said:

I'm not deflecting. He keeps bringing this up like I have a day on it. Ok, so Hamas define being gay as illegal. Can I do anything about it? No. Is it a bigger concern than the genocide and apartheid? No.

Being gay is illegal in many democratic countries. Heck, many of our politicians oppose it too. He just keeps bringing it up like I have the answer to this question, or that it is a justifiable way to negate the apartheid and genocide that has existed for more than 70 years.

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While true, your answer is also too convenient. You're just one person. That's understandable . Yet this is what happens with these inflexible beliefs.

You're gay in Palestine, well too bad. Off the balcony you go.

JS96 said:

Doesn't involve Israel so no point in marching. The perpetually outraged at one group just wouldn't have the energy, right? As we learned in another thread, you can't protest everything...

There have been British Arabs who don't want a bar of these protests in disgust that it's more about destroying Israel than actually caring about Palestine.

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Exactly.

What timing. Now go conduct a poll in Western Sydney and see how much support he gets. Vile.

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While true, your answer is also too convenient. You're just one person. That's understandable . Yet this is what happens with these inflexible beliefs.

You're gay in Palestine, well too bad. Off the balcony you go.

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So basically, only condemnation of something I have no say in or influence over is all you'll accept.

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So basically, only condemnation of something I have no say in or influence over is all you'll accept.

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Not saying you're the one to lead of campaign but more examples like the Jewish teacher are things that need to be promoted more and more. As mentioned it's not in the media's interest to promote muslim voices condemning these actions as they can't pour petrol on the flames.

There's no news, like bad news.

I take issue with this conflict in that too many immediately say 'but but Israel' that wasn't the question. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing. A fuck off Hamas march as a part of these marches would be welcome.

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Not saying you're the one to lead of campaign but more examples like the Jewish teacher are things that need to be promoted more and more. As mentioned it's not in the media's interest to promote muslim voices condemning these actions as they can't pour petrol on the flames.

There's no news, like bad news.

I take issue with this conflict in that too many immediately say 'but but Israel' that wasn't the question. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing. A fuck off Hamas march as a part of these marches would be welcome.

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There's been plenty of pro Israel anti Hamas rallies. Most governments fund these and Israel and are complicit in the blockade preventing aid getting to Gaza. They also support Israel with weapons and billions in funds.

The 'but but Israel' is because this is not purely a Hamas vs Israel war. It's been more than 70 years. It's a war from before Hamas. It's a war that Israel has constantly refused to end by rejecting every UN resolution. It's a war they started with their systemic displacement of the people who welcomed them in. Blame Hamas all you want, but until Israel is held to any sort of account, don't be upset because society protests Israel

Offended by everything ashamed of nothing is the definition of Israel and Zionism. They kill innocent civilians including babies indiscriminately and then celebrate it on social media. Look at that clip from the Olympics where the guy was talking about the football and the Israeli person made it about them. Or that clip of the Israeli tourists in Thailand who are demeaning locals with their arrogance. Or the countless Israelis on Omegle/Youtube who openly call for all Palestinians to die. As soon as someone criticises them, "oh, you're being anti-semitic, woe is me"

JS96 said:

Not saying you're the one to lead of campaign but more examples like the Jewish teacher are things that need to be promoted more and more. As mentioned it's not in the media's interest to promote muslim voices condemning these actions as they can't pour petrol on the flames.

There's no news, like bad news.

I take issue with this conflict in that too many immediately say 'but but Israel' that wasn't the question. Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing. A fuck off Hamas march as a part of these marches would be welcome.

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The Zionists started this when they ethnically cleansed Palestinian villages and then occupied the leftover land that was meant to be for a Palestinian state post-1948.

As I keep saying, this is not about religion even though you and others keep trying to turn it that way. Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peacefully together in Palestine pre-1948.

zimbos05 said:

There's been plenty of pro Israel anti Hamas rallies. Most governments fund these and Israel and are complicit in the blockade preventing aid getting to Gaza. They also support Israel with weapons and billions in funds.

The 'but but Israel' is because this is not purely a Hamas vs Israel war. It's been more than 70 years. It's a war from before Hamas. It's a war that Israel has constantly refused to end by rejecting every UN resolution. It's a war they started with their systemic displacement of the people who welcomed them in. Blame Hamas all you want, but until Israel is held to any sort of account, don't be upset because society protests Israel

Offended by everything ashamed of nothing is the definition of Israel and Zionism. They kill innocent civilians including babies indiscriminately and then celebrate it on social media. Look at that clip from the Olympics where the guy was talking about the football and the Israeli person made it about them. Or that clip of the Israeli tourists in Thailand who are demeaning locals with their arrogance. Or the countless Israelis on Omegle/Youtube who openly call for all Palestinians to die. As soon as someone criticises them, "oh, you're being anti-semitic, woe is me"

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For the record, I couldn't really give a shit about Israel. I find many of them painfully arrogant. What bothers me is the spread of the conflict to the rest of the world. Sick of hearing about it. Ask Asians or South Americans, they don't care. The news keeps churning this distracting the west from their own challenges.

I'm referring to a pro Palestine protest that equally denounces Hamas or any radical group in that area. Maybe the pro Palestine and anti Zionist groups should get together.

The aim should be removal of Zionists and Islamists. That'd be a start.

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The Zionists started this when they ethnically cleansed Palestinian villages and then occupied the leftover land that was meant to be for a Palestinian state post-1948.

As I keep saying, this is not about religion even though you and others keep trying to turn it that way. Jews, Christians and Muslims lived peacefully together in Palestine pre-1948.

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Oh yeah, only about religion since 1948...

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For the record, I couldn't really give a shit about Israel. I find many of them painfully arrogant. What bothers me is the spread of the conflict to the rest of the world. Sick of hearing about it. Ask Asians or South Americans, they don't care. The news keeps churning this distracting the west from their own challenges.

I'm referring to a pro Palestine protest that equally denounces Hamas or any radical group in that area. Maybe the pro Palestine and anti Zionist groups should get together.

The aim should be removal of Zionists and Islamists. That'd be a start.

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I'm sorry that genocide bothers you. That it's affecting your morning coffee and footy game. We've been so apathetic and desensitised to having empathy. Throughout history, conflicts such as this one has been a matter for the world.

The reason the news keeps churning this is because of how invested the West is in the conflict. You would be very naive to think that this conflict does not affect you or have any impacts on you as a citizen of Australia. Australia is intrinsically linked to Israel in so many ways. Israel is so heavily invested in our economy and we as a nation continue to fund and support their regime.

Why would a pro-Palestine protest be denouncing Hamas in the same breath? Do you see Pro Israel protests denouncing zionism or Netanyahu? Do you ask them to? Always asking of pro-Palestinians the things you'll never ask of anybody else.

Islamists is not a thing. It's a made up way to portray Muslims as radicalised. Muslims have for a long time been distancing themselves from these extremist groups that false utilise religion at their forefront. As soon as you use that word, it conflates Islam with extremism, and that's exactly what those who peddle it want you to think.

At the end of the day, no religion is better or worse than the others (everything is bad in extremes). FFS, a right wing christian extremist just killed a couple of people in the USA, nobody says terrorist, a muslim could get elected mayor and they're demanding he somehow is deported...

But at least what we can all agree on, is that the powers that be in Israel are savages

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I'm sorry that genocide bothers you. That it's affecting your morning coffee and footy game. We've been so apathetic and desensitised to having empathy. Throughout history, conflicts such as this one has been a matter for the world.

The reason the news keeps churning this is because of how invested the West is in the conflict. You would be very naive to think that this conflict does not affect you or have any impacts on you as a citizen of Australia. Australia is intrinsically linked to Israel in so many ways. Israel is so heavily invested in our economy and we as a nation continue to fund and support their regime.

Why would a pro-Palestine protest be denouncing Hamas in the same breath? Do you see Pro Israel protests denouncing zionism or Netanyahu? Do you ask them to? Always asking of pro-Palestinians the things you'll never ask of anybody else.

Islamists is not a thing. It's a made up way to portray Muslims as radicalised. Muslims have for a long time been distancing themselves from these extremist groups that false utilise religion at their forefront. As soon as you use that word, it conflates Islam with extremism, and that's exactly what those who peddle it want you to think.

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These conflicts have existed for thousands of years and will continue to. It's guaranteed. They're all seeting at each other. We're all just on the sides for our time on earth.

I think a protest could be more balanced. It's true that Israel protests are either pro or against the leader. This is the issue for all groups in that they're so rabid and fail to look inward. I don't talk to anyone on either side protesting.

Islamophbia is a thing but Islamist isn't. FFS they write their own dictionary.

Hamas and many in Palestine wanted their showdown with Israel. They got it. Now they're crying about it. There have been many lulls in fighting over the past 30 years but each side has been irresponsible for it to flair up again.

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These conflicts have existed for thousands of years and will continue to. It's guaranteed. They're all seeting at each other. We're all just on the sides for our time on earth.

I think a protest could be more balanced. It's true that Israel protests are either pro or against the leader. This is the issue for all groups in that they're so rabid and fail to look inward. I don't talk to anyone on either side protesting.

Islamophbia is a thing but Islamist isn't. FFS they write their own dictionary.

Hamas and many in Palestine wanted their showdown with Israel. They got it. Now they're crying about it. There have been many lulls in fighting over the past 30 years but each side has been irresponsible for it to flair up again.

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It's not hard to understand the difference between why one is and one isn't. Islamaphobia is evident. It can be seen, heard, and experienced. Do we refer to radical Christians as Christist, or radical Jews and Jewist. Radical Hindus as Hindist. More often than not they are referred to as lone actors who had mental issues. But apparently Muslims can never have mental health problems and if they do something extreme, it has to be the religion, no other possible explanation. None whatsoever.

The word utilises a specific suffix in order to create meaning and connotation. The connotation is not that the person is a radical or extremist, but that they are only radical or extreme because of their religion, which is not true. Islam does not teach or advocate violence. The person uses the religion as a means to perpetuate their violence, not the other way round.

They didn't want their showdown with Israel. Israel brought the fight to the Palestinians in 1947 when they started the war.

Look, we're are obviously going to go round in circles here. Nothing I say will ever get you to think well or good of Islam or Muslims. You'll always see us as the bad guys, and that means no matter what, I will be a bad guy simply because of my religion. I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry my simple existence, along with 1 billion fellow others is not to your liking.

I'm taking my leave from this thread. Continue to have a go at me, the palestinians, or my religion.

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It's not hard to understand the difference between why one is and one isn't. Islamaphobia is evident. It can be seen, heard, and experienced. Do we refer to radical Christians as Christist, or radical Jews and Jewist. Radical Hindus as Hindist. More often than not they are referred to as lone actors who had mental issues. But apparently Muslims can never have mental health problems and if they do something extreme, it has to be the religion, no other possible explanation. None whatsoever.

The word utilises a specific suffix in order to create meaning and connotation. The connotation is not that the person is a radical or extremist, but that they are only radical or extreme because of their religion, which is not true. Islam does not teach or advocate violence. The person uses the religion as a means to perpetuate their violence, not the other way round.

They didn't want their showdown with Israel. Israel brought the fight to the Palestinians in 1947 when they started the war.

Look, we're are obviously going to go round in circles here. Nothing I say will ever get you to think well or good of Islam or Muslims. You'll always see us as the bad guys, and that means no matter what, I will be a bad guy simply because of my religion. I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm sorry my simple existence, along with 1 billion fellow others is not to your liking.

I'm taking my leave from this thread. Continue to have a go at me, the palestinians, or my religion.

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I've come across many good people of all faiths. My issue is there is a massive failure to look inwards, the combining of incompatible beliefs and cultures are only harming once cohesive societies and people would have to be blind not to see it in every aspect of society. Australia is thankfully still in better stead but Europe is teetering and it'll be nearly gone in one generation.

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I've come across many good people of all faiths. My issue is there is a massive failure to look inwards, the combining of incompatible beliefs and cultures are only harming once cohesive societies and people would have to be blind not to see it in every aspect of society. Australia is thankfully still in better stead but Europe is teetering and it'll be nearly gone in one generation.

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I've lived in a society that's meant to be "incompatible" for my whole life. I don't practice a watered down version of my religion. I always look inward, but will never compromise on my core beliefs. So in order for your society to be cohesive, I need to be out of it. Gotcha.

Western societies were not "cohesive". Someone was always being oppressed. If it wasn't the blacks, or africans, it was the indigenous people's of some other land. Pillaged and stole.

zimbos05 said:

I've lived in a society that's meant to be "incompatible" for my whole life. I don't practice a watered down version of my religion. I always look inward, but will never compromise on my core beliefs. So in order for your society to be cohesive, I need to be out of it. Gotcha.

Western societies were not "cohesive". Someone was always being oppressed. If it wasn't the blacks, or africans, it was the indigenous people's of some other land. Pillaged and stole.

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I don't think that you don't belong in society. You can definitely argue and make a clear case point. It is evident that the educated, a privilege for many, can conduct their religion is a positive and peaceful way. Education isn't the antidote but those susceptible to extremism have a multitude of causes. What I'm saying is there are extreme elements across many religious and political ideas, not always necessarily new, which are forming a lot of cracks at well established places since the horrors of WW2.

These challenges are only compounded by the addition of views considered foreign to the place and throws so much into question and confusion. Japan struggles at having black athletes or even people in their society, a special case to be fair. Europe is trying to manage an influx of young Arabs, some who have adapted well but a lot who have misbehaved and need to be sent back. Turkey had an influx of Syrians and got very pissed off. Colombia is dealing with Venezuelans.

Unfortunately the common denominator is often young muslim males. Instead of trying to make sense of it to work towards solutions, shields get put up and discussion gets quashed. A big 'leave us alone and we have nothing to do with you'. This is in the new country. Molenbeek is one example. Certainly politicians need to be blamed for how terribly they've handled things across the board. Ideally the educated from such faiths and places can help to clarify and work towards viable solutions for a more cohesive society.