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Promotion and Relegation is vital for Football in Australia

..... if there WAS a viable second division that WU could now be dropped into, perhaps they wouldn't just disappear forever?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
..... if there WAS a viable second division that WU could now be dropped into, perhaps they wouldn't just disappear forever?
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Nah let them disappear forever, no one wanted them and no one cares for them. Someone posted here a few days ago, the only reason they we're created is because foxtel wanted another melbourne team. If foxtel wanted them and not the fans, then they should of looked to the npl for another team. Their team failed so why should we cater to them.
 
Oakleigh said:
Nah let them disappear forever, no one wanted them and no one cares for them. Someone posted here a few days ago, the only reason they we're created is because foxtel wanted another melbourne team. If foxtel wanted them and not the fans, then they should of looked to the npl for another team. Their team failed so why should we cater to them.
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I hate their existence and reason for being created more than most but still feel for the fans and the players/staff... Its a sad day when a football club (any football club) dies. ... yes even Oakleigh, should it ever happen....
 
Oakleigh said:
Nah let them disappear forever, no one wanted them and no one cares for them. Someone posted here a few days ago, the only reason they we're created is because foxtel wanted another melbourne team. If foxtel wanted them and not the fans, then they should of looked to the npl for another team. Their team failed so why should we cater to them.
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People want them, and they have fans.

They shouldn't have been created, they were run by scammers, and they were too small for the A-League. But they still have plenty of people who care.
 
HappyGuus said:
People want them, and they have fans.

They shouldn't have been created, they were run by scammers, and they were too small for the A-League. But they still have plenty of people who care.
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Their fans should support('barrack for' in the vernacular of the AFL-loving dual-coders among them) Tarneit United or Wyndham FC...maybe even lobby to merge them into a regional superclub to stand a better chance of someday picking up from where WU's leaving💡
 
I couldn't help but notice some symmetry in the APLs reported idea for an NST and the current number of clubs capable of professionalism.

Remember how A-League wanted to expand to 20 teams with new and old clubs? The plan was then to split that into two divisions.

Well, we're at 20 teams right now, 12 APL and 8 NST. In 2026/27 why not fast forward straight to that 20 team super division? Then split that for the following season with 12-14 in the top tier and expand the second tier to 12.

I'm only half serious about this haha, but the thought crossed my mind.


A league cup would be cool. I think the Scottish league cup is a good one to emulate, but on a smaller scale... at least initially.

4 groups of 5 teams, made up of 8 NPL premiers and 12 A-League teams. Play each once, two home and away plus a bye, then top 2 from each group go to 8 team knockout.

It can expand later to include more NPL teams based on performance coefficients, and depending on costs. But being a single round-robin keeps costs down, playing double round-robins in these competitions is largely wasteful. More higher standard matches added.


Last point. So many are saying pro/rel isn't feasible any time soon, even the diehard fans of it are saying it. But it only has to be a one, two-legged playoff spot, between A-League and NST, that's all. No automatic spots to start with. Just connect it all! If the NPL club doesn't meet standards, then they won't be promoted, but at least the pyramid is connected and aspirations will live! At least struggling A-League clubs will have somewhere to drop to, not die! The excuse that clubs will die if they drop down from A-League... well they're dying IN the A-League! So just connect the bastard! A strong NST will only benefit the top tier.
 
HappyGuus said:
I couldn't help but notice some symmetry in the APLs reported idea for an NST and the current number of clubs capable of professionalism.

Remember how A-League wanted to expand to 20 teams with new and old clubs? The plan was then to split that into two divisions.

Well, we're at 20 teams right now, 12 APL and 8 NST. In 2026/27 why not fast forward straight to that 20 team super division? Then split that for the following season with 12-14 in the top tier and expand the second tier to 12.

I'm only half serious about this haha, but the thought crossed my mind.


A league cup would be cool. I think the Scottish league cup is a good one to emulate, but on a smaller scale... at least initially.

4 groups of 5 teams, made up of 8 NPL premiers and 12 A-League teams. Play each once, two home and away plus a bye, then top 2 from each group go to 8 team knockout.

It can expand later to include more NPL teams based on performance coefficients, and depending on costs. But being a single round-robin keeps costs down, playing double round-robins in these competitions is largely wasteful. More higher standard matches added.


Last point. So many are saying pro/rel isn't feasible any time soon, even the diehard fans of it are saying it. But it only has to be a one, two-legged playoff spot, between A-League and NST, that's all. No automatic spots to start with. Just connect it all! If the NPL club doesn't meet standards, then they won't be promoted, but at least the pyramid is connected and aspirations will live! At least struggling A-League clubs will have somewhere to drop to, not die! The excuse that clubs will die if they drop down from A-League... well they're dying IN the A-League! So just connect the bastard! A strong NST will only benefit the top tier.
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Picking up from your last post in the other thread, https://greenandgoldfc.com/threads/g-g-podcast-cup-magic-in-the-west.656/#post-63930 the scenario between the ALM and a home/away league-format Championship w/o finals is where we should have automatic pro/rel in the event that the ALM wooden-spooner & the Championship winner are from the same State; whenever that isn’t the case then obv you have a 2-legged playoff between them💡
 
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patjennings threw up his good POV of moving forward and also quoted why not open it up next year for eg.....
Post 419 I think it was.
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Thread 'The Western United Thread'

I'll start this thread as there's no real online forum for Western United that I can see. Even if it ends being me having a discussion with myself, I'll endeavour to get this thread up and running. After watching Dad's Army the last few years, I'm really looking forward to seeing the academy kids running around, even if we do end up toward the foot of the table.

Hopefully having an actual home ground is going to be a game changer. Both myself and the people I dragged along really enjoyed the games toward the back end of last season, it definitely had a different feel when you're at "home".
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Has similar mindset of HG's.......

Here it is save youse scrolling :

I'm not disagreeing with you.

But to me I think the problem lies in being weak. And now may be the time to make another bold move.

The implementation of some things under Lowy was not great but it had the chance of being transformational. The A-League was formed relatively quickly when the decision was made. Teams were announced November 2004 and early in the New Year they were playing in the OFC club qualifiers before kicking off in August 2005. The implementation should have had two teams in Melbourne and Sydney at least from the get go.

I know on the other thread about the World Cup bid for 2022 you thought it was a mistake. But the money for the bid was miniscule in terms of sports spending by the government. It seemed from then that they became spooked and retreated.

Maybe now is an opportunity. Rewrite the script. Is the Western United demise a sign of impending doom or an opportunity to rewrite the landscape.

If the Foundation 8 of the Australian Championship are ready to go in a H&A league and ALM needs to expand join them together. A_League license until 2034 are useless if there is no A-League so start P and R from the get go.

The top 10 remaining ALM for an 18 round home and away season. The bottom two plus the Foundation 8 from the Championship do the same.

After the 18 rounds the teams play the other tier for 9 games.

Top of Championship moves up if they are confident of the extra wages bill and the bottom team moves down. Second can maybe have a playoff against the second bottom. Both divisions can have a final series as well if they want but promotion should be based off league position

Introduce a tier below the Championship of maybe a further 24-32 divided into conferences below that that don't have to meet the strict criteria that the top 2 tiers have to. When clubs can reach the criteria then they can be eligible for promotion to the more regulated tiers.

Now this couldn't be done for this year - but why not next?
 
HappyGuus said:
I couldn't help but notice some symmetry in the APLs reported idea for an NST and the current number of clubs capable of professionalism.

Remember how A-League wanted to expand to 20 teams with new and old clubs? The plan was then to split that into two divisions.

Well, we're at 20 teams right now, 12 APL and 8 NST. In 2026/27 why not fast forward straight to that 20 team super division? Then split that for the following season with 12-14 in the top tier and expand the second tier to 12.

I'm only half serious about this haha, but the thought crossed my mind.


A league cup would be cool. I think the Scottish league cup is a good one to emulate, but on a smaller scale... at least initially.

4 groups of 5 teams, made up of 8 NPL premiers and 12 A-League teams. Play each once, two home and away plus a bye, then top 2 from each group go to 8 team knockout.

It can expand later to include more NPL teams based on performance coefficients, and depending on costs. But being a single round-robin keeps costs down, playing double round-robins in these competitions is largely wasteful. More higher standard matches added.


Last point. So many are saying pro/rel isn't feasible any time soon, even the diehard fans of it are saying it. But it only has to be a one, two-legged playoff spot, between A-League and NST, that's all. No automatic spots to start with. Just connect it all! If the NPL club doesn't meet standards, then they won't be promoted, but at least the pyramid is connected and aspirations will live! At least struggling A-League clubs will have somewhere to drop to, not die! The excuse that clubs will die if they drop down from A-League... well they're dying IN the A-League! So just connect the bastard! A strong NST will only benefit the top tier.
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Dream scenario for myself, merge, split into 2, 10 club divisions, pro - rel. then a formal medium term plan to link the state leagues. By saying that only the 8 clubs are able to meet the criteria for a full time h/a right now, they’ve basically said we’ve got 8 clubs who are capable but are being held back from taking part in the national system as of right now
 
Glenardo said:
Dream scenario for myself, merge, split into 2, 10 club divisions, pro - rel. then a formal medium term plan to link the state leagues. By saying that only the 8 clubs are able to meet the criteria for a full time h/a right now, they’ve basically said we’ve got 8 clubs who are capable but are being held back from taking part in the national system as of right now
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I fully agree that this is the most feasible pathway .

@LFC
The top 10 ALM (doesnt have to mean on yhebpark but rather the most economically healthy) for an 18 round home and away season to remain top tier.

The bottom two (or 2 least exonomically viable) plus the Foundation 8 from the Championship do the same giving eachbof them time..

New pending tv deal which you can now bargain in more saturation = more money!

You have expanded overnight and formed the foundation for rhe next step of tying whole ecosystem.

You allow the strugglers of aleague to have a breather (although i worry the problem may be more teams may want to go down for that breather than stay up!)

You allow the hungry to prepare for a proper stab at it.

It hurts that we keep coming up with solutions but they cant!
 
Glenardo said:
Yep, hopefully a Preston style scenario
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and just as football is meant to be !
The strong lead the others - either lift or they die by the sword due to average management vision.
Recycle and rinse.
No reward staying in top flight whilst your in the bottom 2 or 3 and reward those who climb below.

Yes HG you just shake your head about lack of balls and vision AND might I add those who oppose and are in fear regards to X supporter base.
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
I fully agree that this is the most feasible pathway .

@LFC
The top 10 ALM (doesnt have to mean on yhebpark but rather the most economically healthy) for an 18 round home and away season to remain top tier.

The bottom two (or 2 least exonomically viable) plus the Foundation 8 from the Championship do the same giving eachbof them time..

New pending tv deal which you can now bargain in more saturation = more money!

You have expanded overnight and formed the foundation for rhe next step of tying whole ecosystem.

You allow the strugglers of aleague to have a breather (although i worry the problem may be more teams may want to go down for that breather than stay up!)

You allow the hungry to prepare for a proper stab at it.

It hurts that we keep coming up with solutions but they cant!
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They CAN... they just don't want to mate.... There is NO value in a license if it is able to be relegated to a perceived lower level... they cant sell the ones they have... how will they get investors on board if they could lose everything to a kick of ball? What do you think this is football or something?
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
They CAN... they just don't want to mate.... There is NO value in a license if it is able to be relegated to a perceived lower level... they cant sell the ones they have... how will they get investors on board if they could lose everything to a kick of ball? What do you think this is football or something?
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We are at 2025 and the licenses last until 2034. What will they be worth if the A-Leagues fails. If Channel 9 starts to support the code due to their EPL Stan connection I can see the A-League thriving - but why would they when it is on a rival network. Time to bite the bullet!!
 
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