Promotion and Relegation is vital for Football in Australia

[southoftheyarra]

FYI you forgot the OAKA stadium in Athens!

Shame on me!

 

[Sharkman84]

Tis tis mate... shoudlve just started there and saved yourself the needless typing!
If any franchise used lakeside stadium you would find it suitable, like u did MV at marvel and SFc at cricket grounds.. simple as that!

I could care less what Victory do but I will add where else were they supposed to play the big games back in those days that AAMI was a total sellout in 5 seconds.

It's not really Victory's fault they are based in a city that is completely and utterly obsessed with a code that plays its game on a cricket field.

How many other rectangular fields are there in Melbourne that held over 40K-50K, none nada zippo.

 

[Sharkman84]

Ladies Gentleman and all those In-between according to our friend Sharkman84 here; Estadio Mario Alberto Kempes, Stade de France, Olympiastadion, Max-Morlock-Stadion, Stadio Olimpico, Stadio San Nicola, Stadio Diego Armando Maradona, International Stadium Yokohama, Japan National Stadium, Shizuoka Stadium, Nagai Stadium, Miyagi Stadium, Kobe Universiade Memorial Stadium, Estadio Olímpico Universitario, Rajko Mitić Stadium, Estadio de La Cartuja, Estadi Olímpic Lluís Companys and Franklin Field are all 'unsuitable' stadiums for football because of the athletics track around them...

Who gives a fuck about overseas venues?

This discussion is about Australia and its a well known fact that Australians of fans of rectangular field sports do not like venues like that.

It's why people in Sydney constantly bitch and moan about Stadium Australia as that place is a billion miles away from the action due to the fact it once had an athletics track to host the 2000 Sydney Olympics and to appease the Victorian AFL boffins who wanted it for their game despite the fact most Swans fans hated going there.

 

[Hellenic_blue&white]

Who gives a fuck about overseas venues?

This discussion is about Australia and its a well known fact that Australians of fans of rectangular field sports do not like venues like that.

It's why people in Sydney constantly bitch and moan about Stadium Australia as that place is a billion miles away from the action due to the fact it once had an athletics track to host the 2000 Sydney Olympics and to appease the Victorian AFL boffins who wanted it for their game despite the fact most Swans fans hated going there.

Faaaaarkkk...... Yet your issue is that Sth Melb fans are arrogant!!

I could care less what Victory do but I will add where else were they supposed to play the big games back in those days that AAMI was a total sellout in 5 seconds.

It's not really Victory's fault they are based in a city that is completely and utterly obsessed with a code that plays its game on a cricket field.

How many other rectangular fields are there in Melbourne that held over 40K-50K, none nada zippo.

Tqlking, just for the sake of talking, except your facts are skewed again bc only major matches had high crowds even then and most couldve been held at the rectangular venue but werent bc of the deal in place..,tis tis, I suggest you do you research properly next time and talk to me when you can show me 1 purpose built SOLELY for football venue anywhere in this country that meets your standards!

 

[Alex M]

Who gives a fuck about overseas venues?

This discussion is about Australia and its a well known fact that Australians of fans of rectangular field sports do not like venues like that.

It's why people in Sydney constantly bitch and moan about Stadium Australia as that place is a billion miles away from the action due to the fact it once had an athletics track to host the 2000 Sydney Olympics and to appease the Victorian AFL boffins who wanted it for their game despite the fact most Swans fans hated going there.

The bottom levels at the former Olympic stadium are quite reasonable. The upper levels were unable to be moved. The only change made to accommodate AFL (which they paid for by the way) was to keep the equipment that moved the lower bowl side seating back out. It's somewhat compromised by being a former Athletics track (an athletics track no longer fits in by the way) but athletic tracks have straight sided stands compared to cricket grounds where the side seating is further away. There is no doubt a dedicated rectangular stadium is best, followed by a converted athletics stadium (quality varies by the conversion and when it was done) and then a cricket ground. I've attached a couple of shots of variation of Stadium Australia, The WWC final from the second back row and the NRL Grand Final from $750 seats.

 

[southmelb]

Marvel stadium is way worse than Lakeside as far as viewing is concerned. The only reason Marvel doesnt get ridiculed as much as Lakeside is because its all grass from the pitch to the stands instead of an athletics track, but its still further away.

I disagree with the notion that Lakeside is unsuitable. It was suitable enough that Western United were desperate to land it a few years back.

Would i prefer the stadium as it was pre redevelopment? Of course, it was a beautiful rectangular stadium, but the reality is ths club was never going to have its lease renewed with its top flight status gone.

The only way the venue would have remained in tact as a purpose built football stadium was if South got the 2nd Victorian A league license, once that license went to Heart, the stadium as we knew it was going to go with it.

 

[TheSelectFew]

Promotion can work if you have a situation where the bottom team of AC play the winners of their state and the winners of the NPL national championship play the bottom of their state in the AC.

That way everyone is satisfied.

 

[NicCarBel]

Promotion can work if you have a situation where the bottom team of AC play the winners of their state and the winners of the NPL national championship play the bottom of their state in the AC.

That way everyone is satisfied.

Could work. The first one definitely does. Second one, not some much, otherwise we get a situation like 1979

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Shame on me!

To be fair, OAKA is a bit of a shitstain stadium when its half empty ... when full though, especially before the 2004 resto, I remember the actual concrete bouncing ... wild times there...

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Marvel stadium is way worse than Lakeside as far as viewing is concerned. The only reason Marvel doesnt get ridiculed as much as Lakeside is because its all grass from the pitch to the stands instead of an athletics track, but its still further away.

I disagree with the notion that Lakeside is unsuitable. It was suitable enough that Western United were desperate to land it a few years back.

Would i prefer the stadium as it was pre redevelopment? Of course, it was a beautiful rectangular stadium, but the reality is ths club was never going to have its lease renewed with its top flight status gone.

The only way the venue would have remained in tact as a purpose built football stadium was if South got the 2nd Victorian A league license, once that license went to Heart, the stadium as we knew it was going to go with it.

That is the one fact that really gets my goat sometimes.... Criticism of Lakeside is that it has an athletics track but it WAS a perfect little boutique rectangular stadium and could have been scaled up all it needed was seating on the far side and a roof..... Athletics Victoria swooped in because we where a nobody State league club at the time... if we were in the A league they wouldnt have been able to, no matter how much Eddy jumped up and down... You all piss and moan about infrastructure but FFA "lost" Lakeside ... not just South.

 

[TheSelectFew]

Could work. The first one definitely does. Second one, not some much, otherwise we get a situation like 1979

I'm trying to work out a way to appease the moaners.

 

[0x3mp1r3]

Ive been reading through this thread and I love the discussion being presented. In my opinion a full football pyramid needs to happen.

The only way I see Australian football progressing long term is by reconnecting all levels of the game in a complete pyramid. This will allow investment in all levels of the game by ambitious clubs and Australian businessmen to strive for promotion to the a-league. The following is what I would love to see implemented over the next 10-15 years.

A-League
National Second Division
NPL Champions League (end of each NPL Season)
National Premier Leagues


**A-League (14-16 teams)**

• Adelaide United

• Brisbane Roar

• Central Coast

• Macarthur FC

• Melbourne City

• Melbourne Victory

• Newcastle Jets

• Perth Glory

• Sydney FC

• Wellington Phoenix

• Western Sydney

• Western United

• Auckland FC

• *Expansion Team 14*

• *Expansion Team 15*

• *Expansion Team 16*



**16 Team League**

• Games: 30 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1.5 slots (1 auto / 1 Playoff)



Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 16th team 2-Leg Playoff with winner of Second Division Promotion Playoff.


**or if we cap at 14 Team League**

• Games: 26 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1 Slot (Automatic)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: 14th Team Relegated

• Relegation Playoff: None



**National Second Division (16 Teams)**

• Marconi Stallions

• Cronulla/Sutherland

• Wollongong Wolves

• APIA Leichhardt / Sydney Olympic

• Sydney United

• Heidelberg United

• South Melbourne

• Preston Lions

• Melbourne Knights

• (Maybe a Geelong team)

• Brisbane Team

• Gold Coast United

• Canberra Team

• Adelaide City

• South Hobart

• Auckland City


• Games: 30 Matches H/A Season


Let’s say NSD is locked in at 16 teams. The Variable is the A-League above at 14-16 teams. So here are the following promotion variables.





**14 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 0 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: None

• Promotion Playoff: Top 4 Qualify

(Round 1: 1st v 4th & 2nd v 3rd (2-Leg))

(Final Playoff: Winner 1v4 vs Winner 2v3 (2-Leg))

(Winner of Round 2 Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.


**16 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 1 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: League Winner

• Promotion Playoff: 2nd - 5th Qualify

(Round 1: 2nd v 5th & 3rd v 4th (2-Leg))

(Round 2: Winner 2v5 vs Winner 3v4 (2-Leg))

(Playoff 1: Round 2 Playoff winner vs 15th A-League (2-Leg))

(Winner of Playoff Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.

_
_


**National Premier Leagues**

10 state conference leagues. With a 16 team NPL Champions League Final series to determine Promotion. Teams who qualify for NPL Champions league will earn co-efficient points to determine next seasons league qualifying positions. Coefficients will be a 5 year live average just like European champions league coefficients. In the first year all coefficients will be set zero.


Conferences:

• New South Wales (NPL NSW)

• Victoria (NPL VIC)

• Queensland (NPL QLD)

• South Australia (NPL SA)

• Western Australia (NPL WA)

• Northern Territory (NPL NT)

• Northern NSW (NPL NNSW)

• Tasmania (NPL TAS)

• Australian Capital (NPL ACT)

• New Zealand (NPL NZ)

_

**NPL Champions League**

Coefficient Ranking Places.

1st - 2 Slots

2nd - 2 Slots

3rd - 2 Slots

4th - 2 Slots

5th - 2 Slots

6th - 2 slots

7th - 1 Slot

8th - 1 Slot

9th - 1 Slot

10th - 1 Slot


Total 16 teams qualify.

• Group Phase: 4x Groups of 4 with total 3 Matches. (Top 2 go to Quarter Finals)

• Quarter Finals: 2-Legs

• Semi Finals: 2-Legs

• Promotion Final #1: Finalist vs 15th team NSD (2-Legs)

• Promotion Final #2: Finalist vs 16th team NSD (2-Legs





Would love to hear people’s thoughts on this

 

[southmelb]

That is the one fact that really gets my goat sometimes.... Criticism of Lakeside is that it has an athletics track but it WAS a perfect little boutique rectangular stadium and could have been scaled up all it needed was seating on the far side and a roof..... Athletics Victoria swooped in because we where a nobody State league club at the time... if we were in the A league they wouldnt have been able to, no matter how much Eddy jumped up and down... You all piss and moan about infrastructure but FFA "lost" Lakeside ... not just South.

When the club had a members forum in regards to the bid it was openly stated that the venue would only remain as a proper rectangular venue if we were succesful, with upgrades from government promised as well. I was there when the club made its presentation to the supporters. The entire thing hinged on the club regaining top flight status.

It was also said that if our bid didnt get up we would have to compromise with incoming co tenants as a multi sport venue to secure our future. We lost, welcome aboard athletics and VIS.

Aside from that, looking back its kinda disgusting that we werent allowed to bid under the name of South Melbourne.

 

[grazorblade]

Ive been reading through this thread and I love the discussion being presented. In my opinion a full football pyramid needs to happen.

The only way I see Australian football progressing long term is by reconnecting all levels of the game in a complete pyramid. This will allow investment in all levels of the game by ambitious clubs and Australian businessmen to strive for promotion to the a-league. The following is what I would love to see implemented over the next 10-15 years.

A-League
National Second Division
NPL Champions League (end of each NPL Season)
National Premier Leagues


**A-League (14-16 teams)**

• Adelaide United

• Brisbane Roar

• Central Coast

• Macarthur FC

• Melbourne City

• Melbourne Victory

• Newcastle Jets

• Perth Glory

• Sydney FC

• Wellington Phoenix

• Western Sydney

• Western United

• Auckland FC

• *Expansion Team 14*

• *Expansion Team 15*

• *Expansion Team 16*



**16 Team League**

• Games: 30 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1.5 slots (1 auto / 1 Playoff)



Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 16th team 2-Leg Playoff with winner of Second Division Promotion Playoff.


**or if we cap at 14 Team League**

• Games: 26 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1 Slot (Automatic)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: 14th Team Relegated

• Relegation Playoff: None



**National Second Division (16 Teams)**

• Marconi Stallions

• Cronulla/Sutherland

• Wollongong Wolves

• APIA Leichhardt / Sydney Olympic

• Sydney United

• Heidelberg United

• South Melbourne

• Preston Lions

• Melbourne Knights

• (Maybe a Geelong team)

• Brisbane Team

• Gold Coast United

• Canberra Team

• Adelaide City

• South Hobart

• Auckland City


• Games: 30 Matches H/A Season


Let’s say NSD is locked in at 16 teams. The Variable is the A-League above at 14-16 teams. So here are the following promotion variables.





**14 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 0 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: None

• Promotion Playoff: Top 4 Qualify

(Round 1: 1st v 4th & 2nd v 3rd (2-Leg))

(Final Playoff: Winner 1v4 vs Winner 2v3 (2-Leg))

(Winner of Round 2 Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.


**16 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 1 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: League Winner

• Promotion Playoff: 2nd - 5th Qualify

(Round 1: 2nd v 5th & 3rd v 4th (2-Leg))

(Round 2: Winner 2v5 vs Winner 3v4 (2-Leg))

(Playoff 1: Round 2 Playoff winner vs 15th A-League (2-Leg))

(Winner of Playoff Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.

_
_


**National Premier Leagues**

10 state conference leagues. With a 16 team NPL Champions League Final series to determine Promotion. Teams who qualify for NPL Champions league will earn co-efficient points to determine next seasons league qualifying positions. Coefficients will be a 5 year live average just like European champions league coefficients. In the first year all coefficients will be set zero.


Conferences:

• New South Wales (NPL NSW)

• Victoria (NPL VIC)

• Queensland (NPL QLD)

• South Australia (NPL SA)

• Western Australia (NPL WA)

• Northern Territory (NPL NT)

• Northern NSW (NPL NNSW)

• Tasmania (NPL TAS)

• Australian Capital (NPL ACT)

• New Zealand (NPL NZ)

_

**NPL Champions League**

Coefficient Ranking Places.

1st - 2 Slots

2nd - 2 Slots

3rd - 2 Slots

4th - 2 Slots

5th - 2 Slots

6th - 2 slots

7th - 1 Slot

8th - 1 Slot

9th - 1 Slot

10th - 1 Slot


Total 16 teams qualify.

• Group Phase: 4x Groups of 4 with total 3 Matches. (Top 2 go to Quarter Finals)

• Quarter Finals: 2-Legs

• Semi Finals: 2-Legs

• Promotion Final #1: Finalist vs 15th team NSD (2-Legs)

• Promotion Final #2: Finalist vs 16th team NSD (2-Legs





Would love to hear people’s thoughts on this

welcome to the forum

 

[HappyGuus]

Ive been reading through this thread and I love the discussion being presented. In my opinion a full football pyramid needs to happen.

The only way I see Australian football progressing long term is by reconnecting all levels of the game in a complete pyramid. This will allow investment in all levels of the game by ambitious clubs and Australian businessmen to strive for promotion to the a-league. The following is what I would love to see implemented over the next 10-15 years.

A-League
National Second Division
NPL Champions League (end of each NPL Season)
National Premier Leagues


**A-League (14-16 teams)**

• Adelaide United

• Brisbane Roar

• Central Coast

• Macarthur FC

• Melbourne City

• Melbourne Victory

• Newcastle Jets

• Perth Glory

• Sydney FC

• Wellington Phoenix

• Western Sydney

• Western United

• Auckland FC

• *Expansion Team 14*

• *Expansion Team 15*

• *Expansion Team 16*



**16 Team League**

• Games: 30 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1.5 slots (1 auto / 1 Playoff)



Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 16th team 2-Leg Playoff with winner of Second Division Promotion Playoff.


**or if we cap at 14 Team League**

• Games: 26 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1 Slot (Automatic)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: 14th Team Relegated

• Relegation Playoff: None



**National Second Division (16 Teams)**

• Marconi Stallions

• Cronulla/Sutherland

• Wollongong Wolves

• APIA Leichhardt / Sydney Olympic

• Sydney United

• Heidelberg United

• South Melbourne

• Preston Lions

• Melbourne Knights

• (Maybe a Geelong team)

• Brisbane Team

• Gold Coast United

• Canberra Team

• Adelaide City

• South Hobart

• Auckland City


• Games: 30 Matches H/A Season


Let’s say NSD is locked in at 16 teams. The Variable is the A-League above at 14-16 teams. So here are the following promotion variables.





**14 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 0 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: None

• Promotion Playoff: Top 4 Qualify

(Round 1: 1st v 4th & 2nd v 3rd (2-Leg))

(Final Playoff: Winner 1v4 vs Winner 2v3 (2-Leg))

(Winner of Round 2 Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.


**16 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 1 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: League Winner

• Promotion Playoff: 2nd - 5th Qualify

(Round 1: 2nd v 5th & 3rd v 4th (2-Leg))

(Round 2: Winner 2v5 vs Winner 3v4 (2-Leg))

(Playoff 1: Round 2 Playoff winner vs 15th A-League (2-Leg))

(Winner of Playoff Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.

_
_


**National Premier Leagues**

10 state conference leagues. With a 16 team NPL Champions League Final series to determine Promotion. Teams who qualify for NPL Champions league will earn co-efficient points to determine next seasons league qualifying positions. Coefficients will be a 5 year live average just like European champions league coefficients. In the first year all coefficients will be set zero.


Conferences:

• New South Wales (NPL NSW)

• Victoria (NPL VIC)

• Queensland (NPL QLD)

• South Australia (NPL SA)

• Western Australia (NPL WA)

• Northern Territory (NPL NT)

• Northern NSW (NPL NNSW)

• Tasmania (NPL TAS)

• Australian Capital (NPL ACT)

• New Zealand (NPL NZ)

_

**NPL Champions League**

Coefficient Ranking Places.

1st - 2 Slots

2nd - 2 Slots

3rd - 2 Slots

4th - 2 Slots

5th - 2 Slots

6th - 2 slots

7th - 1 Slot

8th - 1 Slot

9th - 1 Slot

10th - 1 Slot


Total 16 teams qualify.

• Group Phase: 4x Groups of 4 with total 3 Matches. (Top 2 go to Quarter Finals)

• Quarter Finals: 2-Legs

• Semi Finals: 2-Legs

• Promotion Final #1: Finalist vs 15th team NSD (2-Legs)

• Promotion Final #2: Finalist vs 16th team NSD (2-Legs





Would love to hear people’s thoughts on this

Banger of a first post, mate. Might as well close your account now because you won't better that haha. Any feedback feels like nitpicking.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Ive been reading through this thread and I love the discussion being presented. In my opinion a full football pyramid needs to happen.

The only way I see Australian football progressing long term is by reconnecting all levels of the game in a complete pyramid. This will allow investment in all levels of the game by ambitious clubs and Australian businessmen to strive for promotion to the a-league. The following is what I would love to see implemented over the next 10-15 years.

A-League
National Second Division
NPL Champions League (end of each NPL Season)
National Premier Leagues


**A-League (14-16 teams)**

• Adelaide United

• Brisbane Roar

• Central Coast

• Macarthur FC

• Melbourne City

• Melbourne Victory

• Newcastle Jets

• Perth Glory

• Sydney FC

• Wellington Phoenix

• Western Sydney

• Western United

• Auckland FC

• *Expansion Team 14*

• *Expansion Team 15*

• *Expansion Team 16*



**16 Team League**

• Games: 30 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1.5 slots (1 auto / 1 Playoff)



Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 16th team 2-Leg Playoff with winner of Second Division Promotion Playoff.


**or if we cap at 14 Team League**

• Games: 26 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1 Slot (Automatic)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: 14th Team Relegated

• Relegation Playoff: None



**National Second Division (16 Teams)**

• Marconi Stallions

• Cronulla/Sutherland

• Wollongong Wolves

• APIA Leichhardt / Sydney Olympic

• Sydney United

• Heidelberg United

• South Melbourne

• Preston Lions

• Melbourne Knights

• (Maybe a Geelong team)

• Brisbane Team

• Gold Coast United

• Canberra Team

• Adelaide City

• South Hobart

• Auckland City


• Games: 30 Matches H/A Season


Let’s say NSD is locked in at 16 teams. The Variable is the A-League above at 14-16 teams. So here are the following promotion variables.





**14 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 0 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: None

• Promotion Playoff: Top 4 Qualify

(Round 1: 1st v 4th & 2nd v 3rd (2-Leg))

(Final Playoff: Winner 1v4 vs Winner 2v3 (2-Leg))

(Winner of Round 2 Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.


**16 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 1 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: League Winner

• Promotion Playoff: 2nd - 5th Qualify

(Round 1: 2nd v 5th & 3rd v 4th (2-Leg))

(Round 2: Winner 2v5 vs Winner 3v4 (2-Leg))

(Playoff 1: Round 2 Playoff winner vs 15th A-League (2-Leg))

(Winner of Playoff Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.

_
_


**National Premier Leagues**

10 state conference leagues. With a 16 team NPL Champions League Final series to determine Promotion. Teams who qualify for NPL Champions league will earn co-efficient points to determine next seasons league qualifying positions. Coefficients will be a 5 year live average just like European champions league coefficients. In the first year all coefficients will be set zero.


Conferences:

• New South Wales (NPL NSW)

• Victoria (NPL VIC)

• Queensland (NPL QLD)

• South Australia (NPL SA)

• Western Australia (NPL WA)

• Northern Territory (NPL NT)

• Northern NSW (NPL NNSW)

• Tasmania (NPL TAS)

• Australian Capital (NPL ACT)

• New Zealand (NPL NZ)

_

**NPL Champions League**

Coefficient Ranking Places.

1st - 2 Slots

2nd - 2 Slots

3rd - 2 Slots

4th - 2 Slots

5th - 2 Slots

6th - 2 slots

7th - 1 Slot

8th - 1 Slot

9th - 1 Slot

10th - 1 Slot


Total 16 teams qualify.

• Group Phase: 4x Groups of 4 with total 3 Matches. (Top 2 go to Quarter Finals)

• Quarter Finals: 2-Legs

• Semi Finals: 2-Legs

• Promotion Final #1: Finalist vs 15th team NSD (2-Legs)

• Promotion Final #2: Finalist vs 16th team NSD (2-Legs





Would love to hear people’s thoughts on this

Welcome aboard, fantastic first post.... love everything about this apart from the 10-15 years... I want it next year.... lol...

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

View attachment 1167

Banger of a first post, mate. Might as well close your account now because you won't better that haha. Any feedback feels like nitpicking.

hahahahah typed my response before reading yours Guus.... well said, its all downhill after that masterpeice...... lol

 

[southoftheyarra]

Ive been reading through this thread and I love the discussion being presented. In my opinion a full football pyramid needs to happen.

The only way I see Australian football progressing long term is by reconnecting all levels of the game in a complete pyramid. This will allow investment in all levels of the game by ambitious clubs and Australian businessmen to strive for promotion to the a-league. The following is what I would love to see implemented over the next 10-15 years.

A-League
National Second Division
NPL Champions League (end of each NPL Season)
National Premier Leagues


**A-League (14-16 teams)**

• Adelaide United

• Brisbane Roar

• Central Coast

• Macarthur FC

• Melbourne City

• Melbourne Victory

• Newcastle Jets

• Perth Glory

• Sydney FC

• Wellington Phoenix

• Western Sydney

• Western United

• Auckland FC

• *Expansion Team 14*

• *Expansion Team 15*

• *Expansion Team 16*



**16 Team League**

• Games: 30 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1.5 slots (1 auto / 1 Playoff)



Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 16th team 2-Leg Playoff with winner of Second Division Promotion Playoff.


**or if we cap at 14 Team League**

• Games: 26 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1 Slot (Automatic)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: 14th Team Relegated

• Relegation Playoff: None



**National Second Division (16 Teams)**

• Marconi Stallions

• Cronulla/Sutherland

• Wollongong Wolves

• APIA Leichhardt / Sydney Olympic

• Sydney United

• Heidelberg United

• South Melbourne

• Preston Lions

• Melbourne Knights

• (Maybe a Geelong team)

• Brisbane Team

• Gold Coast United

• Canberra Team

• Adelaide City

• South Hobart

• Auckland City


• Games: 30 Matches H/A Season


Let’s say NSD is locked in at 16 teams. The Variable is the A-League above at 14-16 teams. So here are the following promotion variables.





**14 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 0 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: None

• Promotion Playoff: Top 4 Qualify

(Round 1: 1st v 4th & 2nd v 3rd (2-Leg))

(Final Playoff: Winner 1v4 vs Winner 2v3 (2-Leg))

(Winner of Round 2 Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.


**16 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 1 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: League Winner

• Promotion Playoff: 2nd - 5th Qualify

(Round 1: 2nd v 5th & 3rd v 4th (2-Leg))

(Round 2: Winner 2v5 vs Winner 3v4 (2-Leg))

(Playoff 1: Round 2 Playoff winner vs 15th A-League (2-Leg))

(Winner of Playoff Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.

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**National Premier Leagues**

10 state conference leagues. With a 16 team NPL Champions League Final series to determine Promotion. Teams who qualify for NPL Champions league will earn co-efficient points to determine next seasons league qualifying positions. Coefficients will be a 5 year live average just like European champions league coefficients. In the first year all coefficients will be set zero.


Conferences:

• New South Wales (NPL NSW)

• Victoria (NPL VIC)

• Queensland (NPL QLD)

• South Australia (NPL SA)

• Western Australia (NPL WA)

• Northern Territory (NPL NT)

• Northern NSW (NPL NNSW)

• Tasmania (NPL TAS)

• Australian Capital (NPL ACT)

• New Zealand (NPL NZ)

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**NPL Champions League**

Coefficient Ranking Places.

1st - 2 Slots

2nd - 2 Slots

3rd - 2 Slots

4th - 2 Slots

5th - 2 Slots

6th - 2 slots

7th - 1 Slot

8th - 1 Slot

9th - 1 Slot

10th - 1 Slot


Total 16 teams qualify.

• Group Phase: 4x Groups of 4 with total 3 Matches. (Top 2 go to Quarter Finals)

• Quarter Finals: 2-Legs

• Semi Finals: 2-Legs

• Promotion Final #1: Finalist vs 15th team NSD (2-Legs)

• Promotion Final #2: Finalist vs 16th team NSD (2-Legs





Would love to hear people’s thoughts on this

Love that you included Auckland City, the other Oceana team of the century!

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

When the club had a members forum in regards to the bid it was openly stated that the venue would only remain as a proper rectangular venue if we were succesful, with upgrades from government promised as well. I was there when the club made its presentation to the supporters. The entire thing hinged on the club regaining top flight status.

It was also said that if our bid didnt get up we would have to compromise with incoming co tenants as a multi sport venue to secure our future. We lost, welcome aboard athletics and VIS.

Aside from that, looking back its kinda disgusting that we werent allowed to bid under the name of South Melbourne.

The last 20 years have NOT been kind to our club (and other like us) ..... I hope this is the beginning of a new era....

 

[TheSelectFew]

Ive been reading through this thread and I love the discussion being presented. In my opinion a full football pyramid needs to happen.

The only way I see Australian football progressing long term is by reconnecting all levels of the game in a complete pyramid. This will allow investment in all levels of the game by ambitious clubs and Australian businessmen to strive for promotion to the a-league. The following is what I would love to see implemented over the next 10-15 years.

A-League
National Second Division
NPL Champions League (end of each NPL Season)
National Premier Leagues


**A-League (14-16 teams)**

• Adelaide United

• Brisbane Roar

• Central Coast

• Macarthur FC

• Melbourne City

• Melbourne Victory

• Newcastle Jets

• Perth Glory

• Sydney FC

• Wellington Phoenix

• Western Sydney

• Western United

• Auckland FC

• *Expansion Team 14*

• *Expansion Team 15*

• *Expansion Team 16*



**16 Team League**

• Games: 30 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1.5 slots (1 auto / 1 Playoff)



Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 16th team 2-Leg Playoff with winner of Second Division Promotion Playoff.


**or if we cap at 14 Team League**

• Games: 26 matches H/A season

• Finals: Top 6

• Relegation: 1 Slot (Automatic)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: 14th Team Relegated

• Relegation Playoff: None



**National Second Division (16 Teams)**

• Marconi Stallions

• Cronulla/Sutherland

• Wollongong Wolves

• APIA Leichhardt / Sydney Olympic

• Sydney United

• Heidelberg United

• South Melbourne

• Preston Lions

• Melbourne Knights

• (Maybe a Geelong team)

• Brisbane Team

• Gold Coast United

• Canberra Team

• Adelaide City

• South Hobart

• Auckland City


• Games: 30 Matches H/A Season


Let’s say NSD is locked in at 16 teams. The Variable is the A-League above at 14-16 teams. So here are the following promotion variables.





**14 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 0 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: None

• Promotion Playoff: Top 4 Qualify

(Round 1: 1st v 4th & 2nd v 3rd (2-Leg))

(Final Playoff: Winner 1v4 vs Winner 2v3 (2-Leg))

(Winner of Round 2 Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.


**16 Team A-League**

• Promotion: 1 Auto, 1 Playoff

• Relegation: 0 Auto, 2 Playoff


Promotion Rules:

• Promotion Automatic: League Winner

• Promotion Playoff: 2nd - 5th Qualify

(Round 1: 2nd v 5th & 3rd v 4th (2-Leg))

(Round 2: Winner 2v5 vs Winner 3v4 (2-Leg))

(Playoff 1: Round 2 Playoff winner vs 15th A-League (2-Leg))

(Winner of Playoff Promoted to A-League)


Relegation Rules:

• Relegation Automatic: None

• Relegation Playoff: 15th team & 16th team in 2-Leg Playoff with winners of NPL Finals.

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**National Premier Leagues**

10 state conference leagues. With a 16 team NPL Champions League Final series to determine Promotion. Teams who qualify for NPL Champions league will earn co-efficient points to determine next seasons league qualifying positions. Coefficients will be a 5 year live average just like European champions league coefficients. In the first year all coefficients will be set zero.


Conferences:

• New South Wales (NPL NSW)

• Victoria (NPL VIC)

• Queensland (NPL QLD)

• South Australia (NPL SA)

• Western Australia (NPL WA)

• Northern Territory (NPL NT)

• Northern NSW (NPL NNSW)

• Tasmania (NPL TAS)

• Australian Capital (NPL ACT)

• New Zealand (NPL NZ)

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**NPL Champions League**

Coefficient Ranking Places.

1st - 2 Slots

2nd - 2 Slots

3rd - 2 Slots

4th - 2 Slots

5th - 2 Slots

6th - 2 slots

7th - 1 Slot

8th - 1 Slot

9th - 1 Slot

10th - 1 Slot


Total 16 teams qualify.

• Group Phase: 4x Groups of 4 with total 3 Matches. (Top 2 go to Quarter Finals)

• Quarter Finals: 2-Legs

• Semi Finals: 2-Legs

• Promotion Final #1: Finalist vs 15th team NSD (2-Legs)

• Promotion Final #2: Finalist vs 16th team NSD (2-Legs





Would love to hear people’s thoughts on this

Get rid of NZ and merge NNSW, ACT and NSW to reduce cost. Then you're fine.