Acknowledge the a league☝️

[Midfielder]

Yeah whatever the negatives are of overestimating the league, there are surely just as many negatives to underestimating it.

I don't see many claiming the league is better than the championship, even on a league reddit, unless they are literally paid to promote the game (fair enough it's their job)
So surely underestimating the league is a bigger problem

Agree

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Interesting nay wrong word... Let the forum decide on what the word should be.

The above few posts are quite critical of the a-league.

Further the same critical posters would consider themselves football folk and be known by those around them as football folk.

Now consider our attempts to increase the level of acceptance of football in the broader community.

How much harder is getting that acceptance by the broader football family when the hard core rusted on bag it.

How hard is it to talk about the good things that are happening... this is not refusing to acknowledge the stuff ups ...

Is it so hard to not drag old stories and when there is some decent news not find ways to tear it down

Sorry I dont follow Mid ... Are you saying that football isnt accepted by the broader community???

How do you explain the million plus participants and viewers of this sport in Australia??? Optus sport has massive subscription numbers, every Tillies and Socceroos match draw massive attendances and viewership, we have thousands of clubs with dedicated members, players and volunteers spread in EVERY corner of thsi wide brown land..... football is very well respected...

Are you JUST talking about the 11 franchises??? We arent the NRL or AFL mate, football isnt about the franchises... If they want any form of respect, they have to earn it... .

 

[LFC]

No money to afford a conference league player but enough money to afford players in higher leagues? That makes no sense?

I was reflecting about the level where Smeltz was way back Halifax time.
and considering Clubs had their handouts down to 500k pretty hard buying any decent level import unless their accounting is brilliant and or handout/s from sponsers.
Does that make sense.

 

[Midfielder]

Sorry I dont follow Mid ... Are you saying that football isnt accepted by the broader community???

How do you explain the million plus participants and viewers of this sport in Australia??? Optus sport has massive subscription numbers, every Tillies and Socceroos match draw massive attendances and viewership, we have thousands of clubs with dedicated members, players and volunteers spread in EVERY corner of thsi wide brown land..... football is very well respected...

Are you JUST talking about the 11 franchises??? We arent the NRL or AFL mate, football isnt about the franchises... If they want any form of respect, they have to earn it... .

Let me be clear Australian professional Football .... at all levels ... never has been... I think you knew that as well....

Its not only the 13 A-League teams.... imagine the A-League falls over tomorrow former NSL clubs may increase a bit ....

You seem to think I am only talking about the A-League's.... no its goes to all professional and semi professional clubs in fact any club that aspires to pay people to play....

As a code we bag each other out constantly.... and often our way of bagging is to point out how poor the quality is.... thats hurts everyone even those saying it...

The respect I am talking about is quality of play, giving young players a chance....

I hear you want other teams allowed in.... and you are welcome and supported in saying that... but for your own sake to say the Football is poor and of poor quality only hurts you ....

The need to target what is criticized rather than """everything they say and everything they do""" hurts a lot...

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Let me be clear Australian professional Football .... at all levels ... never has been... I think you knew that as well....

Its not only the 13 A-League teams.... imagine the A-League falls over tomorrow former NSL clubs may increase a bit ....

You seem to think I am only talking about the A-League's.... no its goes to all professional and semi professional clubs in fact any club that aspires to pay people to play....

As a code we bag each other out constantly.... and often our way of bagging is to point out how poor the quality is.... thats hurts everyone even those saying it...

The respect I am talking about is quality of play, giving young players a chance....

I hear you want other teams allowed in.... and you are welcome and supported in saying that... but for your own sake to say the Football is poor and of poor quality only hurts you ....

The need to target what is criticized rather than """everything they say and everything they do""" hurts a lot...

Sorry mate I think you are targeting the wrong audience... I am on record, constantly, saying the football on the pitch isn't that bad in the A league NOR is it the reason people arent rusted on or giving it the respect it needs according to your metrics.

 

[grazorblade]

I was reflecting about the level where Smeltz was way back Halifax time.
and considering Clubs had their handouts down to 500k pretty hard buying any decent level import unless their accounting is brilliant and or handout/s from sponsers.
Does that make sense.

thanks for clarifying. I agree funds are tighter but we can still afford 5th division players since we are still buying players at 2-3 divisions higher than that and those 2 divisions higher are hit and miss and there aren't really any players from as low a division as schmeltz doing well (the closest I can think of is brook who was a regular at a young age in the 4th division in england and came back and did well. That is still a higher level than smeltz and was at an age where he should be improving)

 

[grazorblade]

Let me be clear Australian professional Football .... at all levels ... never has been... I think you knew that as well....

Its not only the 13 A-League teams.... imagine the A-League falls over tomorrow former NSL clubs may increase a bit ....

You seem to think I am only talking about the A-League's.... no its goes to all professional and semi professional clubs in fact any club that aspires to pay people to play....

As a code we bag each other out constantly.... and often our way of bagging is to point out how poor the quality is.... thats hurts everyone even those saying it...

The respect I am talking about is quality of play, giving young players a chance....

I hear you want other teams allowed in.... and you are welcome and supported in saying that... but for your own sake to say the Football is poor and of poor quality only hurts you ....

The need to target what is criticized rather than """everything they say and everything they do""" hurts a lot...

to be honest i'm pretty symapthetic to those who bag it if they are a regular fan of a npl team

in an ideal world we are all martin luther king, turning the other cheek while advocating for a better world. But I'm not MLK so who am I to judge

 

[LFC]

to be honest i'm pretty symapthetic to those who bag it if they are a regular fan of a npl team

in an ideal world we are all martin luther king, turning the other cheek while advocating for a better world. But I'm not MLK so who am I to judge

correct in bold period.
We're all passionate in the big picture and taunts bant works both ways might I add.

 

[Quicky]

Thans Muz, needed a good belly laugh this week...

What about the article was funny?

 

[Barca4life]

The game has so many fractures who are a-league and NPL followers, grassroots, state feds and you can include eurosnobs and football haters who but turn on each other to fuel their own agenda but this only creates toxicity and division which doesnt help the game whatever and to be honest its sad to see.

However the game's biggest challenges is not that, its the media especially who have big investments in the egg ball codes and the authority who love nothing more than bring the game down to help their own agendas.

The sooner the game puts each others differences aside the better because the battle with the later two is only the tip of the iceberg which is a large challenge for the sport.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

What about the article was funny?

Quite a few things actually but mainly, at least for me, the fact that APL has now "pivoted" to being a development league finding value in previously undervalued players in order to keep afloat business which are struggling financially.

 

[Quicky]

Quite a few things actually but mainly, at least for me, the fact that APL has now "pivoted" to being a development league finding value in previously undervalued players in order to keep afloat business which are struggling financially.

Thanks for the reply. You don't think that's happening? Or it's funny it is?

Edit: Or its the various teams and leagues under the AL doing the developing?

 

[Robbos]

The game has so many fractures who are a-league and NPL followers, grassroots, state feds and you can include eurosnobs and football haters who but turn on each other to fuel their own agenda but this only creates toxicity and division which doesnt help the game whatever and to be honest its sad to see.

However the game's biggest challenges is not that, its the media especially who have big investments in the egg ball codes and the authority who love nothing more than bring the game down to help their own agendas.

The sooner the game puts each others differences aside the better because the battle with the later two is only the tip of the iceberg which is a large challenge for the sport.

Stop posting on here Barca, you make too much sense.

The real enemy is the Franchise clubs or the Ethnic clubs depending on where you stand.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Thanks for the reply. You don't think that's happening? Or it's funny it is?

Edit: Or its the various teams and leagues under the AL doing the developing?

I think its funny that something so fundamental in global football seems to be a "revolutionary strategic marketing push" now... ALL of football (with JJ leading the drive) have been pushing for a domestic transfer system that not only incentivises smaller clubs to develop players but ALSO bring in much needed wealth into the game from the top and has the added benefit of sending our best and brightest overseas to play in increasingly better levels.... I just find it funny that all of a sudden, and ONLY because they can no longer afford mediocre ageing Euro talent, the APL is "saving football" again.

 

[Frankly Speaking]

Comparisons are purely subjective and the league is what it is.

In my view, the only valid - but still limited - measure is how A League players fare when they go overseas. That suggests, in the main, equivalence with SPL outside the big two and League 1, which I see as being roughly equivalent.

Which isn't a bad place to be, given the Australian context. Personally, I think our greatest need is decent coaches from overseas, but we can't afford them.

 

[LFC]

Stop posting on here Barca, you make too much sense.

The real enemy is the Franchise clubs or the Ethnic clubs depending on where you stand.

correction its the system, having 2 leagues, 1 thats closed unless you pay exhorbenent entry that then you got to share the funding spoils even IF your a better run club, the other that should be the main objective to expand grow prosper and all striving who wish to the top......and one day P/R makes it even more enticing that when your not good enough you pay the price and another steps up from hard work on and off the pitch.
Correct that would make perfect sense and bring more people in the game together fighting for the same cause and betterment of all the Clubs in the country. Its not just about turning up being the innocent bystander at a Pro game.
You know I've kept saying 2 models/walls won't work in the end and naturally we all luv our football and it also impacts game attendance.
Peace man

 

[biggiemic]

Comparisons are purely subjective and the league is what it is.

In my view, the only valid - but still limited - measure is how A League players fare when they go overseas. That suggests, in the main, equivalence with SPL outside the big two and League 1, which I see as being roughly equivalent.

Which isn't a bad place to be, given the Australian context. Personally, I think our greatest need is decent coaches from overseas, but we can't afford them.

Yes, I think if we put our teams in league one, most would finish mid/upper table.

Agree with the coaching. We are so far behind technically, especially all the Asian countries, it's crazy. Even countrlies like Indonesia and Vietnam look more comfortable on the ball than our players.

Our most technically gifted players, Kewell, Bresciano, Grella, Culina etc, all left for Europe very early on.

 

[LFC]

Yes, I think if we put our teams in league one, most would finish mid/upper table.

Agree with the coaching. We are so far behind technically, especially all the Asian countries, it's crazy. Even countrlies like Indonesia and Vietnam look more comfortable on the ball than our players.

Our most technically gifted players, Kewell, Bresciano, Grella, Culina etc, all left for Europe very early on.

mate, many here will say your way off the mark, only HK and Dukes were the most decent we've ever produced.
The rest not much just they had it easier not as much competiton making it abroad.
Also that the current young gens far exceed the guys of the past in technical ability/BPO/yaddayadda.....
AL post covid has stepped right up compared to AL heydays and pre covid.
Its all here for reviewing.

By the way we got Indo game coming up March 20.

 

[biggiemic]

mate, many here will say your way off the mark, only HK and Dukes were the most decent we've ever produced.
The rest not much just they had it easier not as much competiton making it abroad.
Also that the current young gens far exceed the guys of the past in technical ability/BPO/yaddayadda.....
AL post covid has stepped right up compared to AL heydays and pre covid.
Its all here for reviewing.

By the way we got Indo game coming up March 20.

Current young gen may exceed the guys in the past, but problem is other countries are also getting better!

Aaron Mooy was probably the last technically gifted player we had and he left this country at around 15 before coming back to Wanderers. To me, coaching is, and always has been a problem here. Players also need to be training twice a day but don't think it happens, need the AIS back.

I think Arzani could have made it but his injury was a disaster.

I wouldn't say any of the current socceroos are "technically gifted".

 

[LFC]

Current young gen may exceed the guys in the past, but problem is other countries are also getting better!

Aaron Mooy was probably the last technically gifted player we had and he left this country at around 15 before coming back to Wanderers. To me, coaching is, and always has been a problem here. Players also need to be training twice a day but don't think it happens, need the AIS back.

I think Arzani could have made it but his injury was a disaster.

I wouldn't say any of the current socceroos are "technically gifted".

Luv to be the optimist but the realist in me lets see what these young gens do in 5yrs time.
Yep thats the ongoing chase, whilst we get back up from crawling the others keep advancing as well.

Yer Mooysi miss that kind of player middle of the park.
Generals are needed in every good team.
Arzani, well can't help bad luck, one that never bounced back confident enough.
Coaching and another Pro level needs to create more players and bigger pool no doubt about that.

Current Roos we got what we got, wish em well always but hard to watch, after all this time some things seems the same.