Australian politics.

[Muz]

‘You couldn’t make this up’: Expert pans Ontario nuclear option

Peter Dutton has repeatedly embraced the Canadian province as a model for cheaper power prices.

www.smh.com.au

If it's blocked put the link in here. https://12ft.io/

“In Ontario, that family is paying half of what the family is paying here in Perth for their electricity because of nuclear power,” Dutton said in March. “Why wouldn’t we consider it as a country?”

In July, Dutton said Canadian consumers paid about one-quarter of Australian prices for electricity.

Professor Mark Winfield, an academic from York University in Canada who specialises in energy and environment, on Monday said the reaction among people in Ontario to the comparison had ranged from disbelief to “you couldn’t make this up”.

 

[Muz]

I'll drop this in her. Was in the Trump thread but it's more relevant over here.

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It should be as simple as the country's lead scientific agency does an investigation, publishes a report and then the government goes with it.

Of course its not that simple because Mr potato head, just like Trump, called into question the agency's work and politicised it when they said it wasn't a goer.

Way to undermine faith in our public institutions former policeman with a $400 million property portfolio. (Google that.) Notice he stayed very quiet on Albo buying a $4.3 million house. Funny that.

Exactly how does a former policeman amass such a fortune. A question for another day.

Anyway. If they can build them cheap/competitive and on budget let's go for it. Good luck putting them anywhere though. No one wants a nuclear reactor next door to them and that's the facts.

All the evidence overseas points to them being horrendously over budget and over a decade late in every instance but let's give them a go. The beauty for the LNP is they're so far off in the future all of us will be in the ground before the first one is built.

 

[The Flying Bat]

I'm certainly going to miss Steven Miles as Premier of Queensland. He was doing a brilliant job. What other state has 50c bus fares?

And he's a bit if a comedian. I like political figures with personality!

 

[Lupi]

‘You couldn’t make this up’: Expert pans Ontario nuclear option

Peter Dutton has repeatedly embraced the Canadian province as a model for cheaper power prices.

www.smh.com.au

If it's blocked put the link in here. https://12ft.io/

“In Ontario, that family is paying half of what the family is paying here in Perth for their electricity because of nuclear power,” Dutton said in March. “Why wouldn’t we consider it as a country?”

In July, Dutton said Canadian consumers paid about one-quarter of Australian prices for electricity.

Professor Mark Winfield, an academic from York University in Canada who specialises in energy and environment, on Monday said the reaction among people in Ontario to the comparison had ranged from disbelief to “you couldn’t make this up”.

its true though Canadians are only paying about 10c a kilowatt compared to Australia which ranges from 30c to 45c in 'clean energy' soon to be economic wasteland and nuclear dump SA

 

[Muz]

its true though Canadians are only paying about 10c a kilowatt compared to Australia which ranges from 30c to 45c in 'clean energy' soon to be economic wasteland and nuclear dump SA

So you didn't read the article then.

 

[Muz]

I'm certainly going to miss Steven Miles as Premier of Queensland. He was doing a brilliant job. What other state has 50c bus fares?

And he's a bit if a comedian. I like political figures with personality!

He did have a bit of go about him.

The hide of him though. Imagine increasing royalties on tax dodging mines to pay for shit you need like hospital and public transport. Outrageous!

Something, something sovereign risk something, reasons.

 

[The Flying Bat]

The hide of him though. Imagine increasing royalties on tax dodging mines to pay for shit you need like hospital and public transport. Outrageous!

Indeed. The 'pro life 'closet nazi's now in power in Queensland will probably try and put him in gaol for it.

 

[Keeper66]

He did have a bit of go about him.

The hide of him though. Imagine increasing royalties on tax dodging mines to pay for shit you need like hospital and public transport. Outrageous!

Something, something sovereign risk something, reasons.

Haha, "a bit of go about him". All he did was play the class clown. And I don't even think it was playing, it just came naturally to him.

When he wasn't the class clown, he showed the personality of an axe handle.

And he actually used the increased royalties (and a shit load more, all of which was to placed on the state credit card) to try to buy the voting public so the ALP could get re-elected again. Good riddance to him and the rest of the circus.

 

[The Flying Bat]

Shakes head....

 

[Muz]

Haha, "a bit of go about him". All he did was play the class clown. And I don't even think it was playing, it just came naturally to him.

When he wasn't the class clown, he showed the personality of an axe handle.

And he actually used the increased royalties (and a shit load more, all of which was to placed on the state credit card) to try to buy the voting public so the ALP could get re-elected again. Good riddance to him and the rest of the circus.

You don't think increasing royalties to pay for stuff is a good idea?

Happy with tax dodging companies raping our country for little to no benefit?

Meanwhile in Norway they have a trillion dollars in their kit bag due to far sighted pollies.

 

[Lupi]

So you didn't read the article then.

I've seen it before. Unlike you I'm ignoring the opinionated narrative its pushing and sticking to facts.

 

[The Flying Bat]

You don't think increasing royalties to pay for stuff is a good idea?

Happy with tax dodging companies raping our country for little to no benefit?

Meanwhile in Norway they have a trillion dollars in their kit bag due to far sighted pollies.

Exactly. Norway now has one of the best public health services in the world. Norwegians enjoy long and healthy lives, with substantial improvement made due to effective and high-quality medical care and the impact of broader public health policies. All paid for by....

Australians are not getting a fare share of oil and gas revenue

Australia's and Norway's economies both have massively profitable resource industries, but Norwegians receive a much larger and fairer share

australiainstitute.org.au

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Exactly. Norway now has one of the best public health services in the world. Norwegians enjoy long and healthy lives, with substantial improvement made due to effective and high-quality medical care and the impact of broader public health policies. All paid for by....

Australians are not getting a fare share of oil and gas revenue

Australia's and Norway's economies both have massively profitable resource industries, but Norwegians receive a much larger and fairer share

australiainstitute.org.au

Meanwhile something like 80% of their domestic energy usage is hydroelectric and they are the largest oil exporter int he world.......... but only OPEC is evil??

 

[Keeper66]

You don't think increasing royalties to pay for stuff is a good idea?

Happy with tax dodging companies raping our country for little to no benefit?

Meanwhile in Norway they have a trillion dollars in their kit bag due to far sighted pollies.

And in Queensland they have pissed against the wall billions of dollars from the increased mineral royalties, due to short-sighted pollies whose only goal was re-election.

 

[Muz]

Meanwhile something like 80% of their domestic energy usage is hydroelectric and they are the largest oil exporter int he world.......... but only OPEC is evil??

That might be true but at least they're benefiting from the largesse they receive. Qatar gets something like $26 billion a year in gas royalties, Australia $700m.

 

[Muz]

And in Queensland they have pissed against the wall billions of dollars from the increased mineral royalties, due to short-sighted pollies whose only goal was re-election.

You didn't answer the question. You don't think increasing royalties to pay for stuff is a good idea?

 

[Muz]

I've seen it before. Unlike you I'm ignoring the opinionated narrative its pushing and sticking to facts.

You accuse me of being ignorant and naive? I see your tactics now. They've become apparent.

If the facts disprove your point call them biased, opinions, fake news, or a 'hijacked administration' or some other garbage. Or build a strawman.

The facts are in Canada they are subsidising their electricity at a cost of billions a years. That's billions. That's not an OPINION, that's the facts.

That's why their power is cheaper. It's that simple.

 

[Stompy]

The Australia Institute report is slightly misleading. Norway has 5 million people. Norway's reserves per person are 952 barrels, whereas Australia's barrels per person are 158. The UK, often bizarrely compared to Norway, has a paltry 63 barrels per person. To their credit, Norway understood the power of compounding and invested wisely, but they had far more scope to do so.

On the Canada nuclear thing and subsidies, Canada indeed subsidises its energy sector, as does Australia to an even greater extent. The difference is that Australia still has far higher energy bills.

 

[Keeper66]

You didn't answer the question. You don't think increasing royalties to pay for stuff is a good idea?

It very much depends on what the "stuff" is. Building and/or repairing infrastructure, improving the health system, etc are good ways of using increased royalties. The ALP government did next to nil of this. Throwing it around like confetti (e.g., $1000 electricity rebates for each family regardless of means to cover for increased electricity prices due to the government neglecting to maintain power plants, temporarily reducing car rego to pork-barrel for the upcoming election), as Miles and his circus did, is not a good way of spending the increased royalties.

 

[Muz]

It very much depends on what the "stuff" is. Building and/or repairing infrastructure, improving the health system, etc are good ways of using increased royalties. The ALP government did next to nil of this. Throwing it around like confetti (e.g., $1000 electricity rebates for each family regardless of means to cover for increased electricity prices due to the government neglecting to maintain power plants, temporarily reducing car rego to pork-barrel for the upcoming election), as Miles and his circus did, is not a good way of spending the increased royalties.

You didn't answer the question. Do you think increasing royalties to pay for stuff is a good idea?