Australian politics.

[JS96]

You can't conflate a party in another country and label them the same because of their name. The politics in Germany are differently to Australia. They might have the same underlying principles, but they operate completely differently. Norway has taxed big corporations and the ripple effects are that they have a wealthy sovereign fund and the government is able to invest in the people. Stop allowing big corporations to get away with not doing their bit. Stephen Miles taxed them more and was able to give $1000 energy rebates, 50c public transport, and $250 sport rebates.

The Greens vote is actually on par or higher than last election. The difference is in where there LNP votes flowed. Not to mention that people wanted Dutton out so badly, they preferenced Labor as 1.

I don't know the specifics of the voters from this election, but I think you might be wrong on the loss of young voters. I'll have to look it up, however you say nothing works. Well then how did they get Labor to commit more to housing? They also ensured that penalty rates were secured under Gillard. You clearly just have a hatred for the Greens so it matters not what they do, or what their policy is. You had a bad time in Germany so will hate them wherever you are.

You have a go at Juice Media, a small youtube channel, yet we live in a country that has 70% of the media owned by one right wing man, 20% owned by a right wing company, and the other 10% mostly centre. Not to mention FriendlyJordies who is staunch Labor. Then the Greens had a $2 million campaign by Advance Australia against them this election. The Greens always get attacked from Liberal and Labor and the media drives a hard narrative against them, yet you are ok with that, but hurt that a independent youtube channel fights back. Please.

The issue I take with the greens and juice media is their smugness and the fact they never look inward. That would help them. Across the world they're such a filthy lot with a cut throat approach to anyone who disagrees with them. They've strayed way to radical.

Was it on here or elsewhere which is interesting to note that Murdoch's media is far less consumed by the majority of voting demographic these days. This is certainly an opportunity for good coverage to be made. It must be balanced however. I'm tired of reading something and seeing the agenda in the first sentence.

The loss of young voters is inevitable as they age because they enter the property market and get better jobs and the threat or risk of higher taxation to pay for it. I wish corporations were taxed more but it's a pipe dream. They'll find ways of getting around it.

Change is definitely needed but not in this way of messing everything up the having no idea how to get out of it while everyone suffers and pays for it in the meantime. The Greens operate in principly the same way worldwide. They charged in with German carbon and energy taxes and you had business leaders and everyone else in the know pulling out their hair as it put a massive strain of business and the economy. Economic minister Habeck with a fucking philosophy degree said 'the companies haven't gone out of business, they've just ceased operations.'

 

[melbcityguy]

The greens hate the Jews

 

[Decentric]

Bandt was estimated ahead 3 hours ago but is now behind. A lot of preferences starting to kick in. God I hope he loses.

From the perspective of a person just leaving the Labor Party, I hope he wins. He is far more willing to work with Labor than our senior Green MPs in this state.

With Labor's landslide in this Fed election, there is no need to confer to enact legislation though.

 

[Decentric]

The greens hate the Jews

I don't think they do.

I campaign with a lot of rank and file Greens. Many leftists despise the Israeli Netanyahu regime and Zionism, but not Jews.

 

[Decentric]

Normally im thrilled when the greens win a seat off labour as id like more radical policies on refugees, foreign aid, homelessness and climate change

However, after oct 7 before any response from Israel the vile antisemitism coming from the greens. It also reminded me arguing with american republicans about anti black racism. Step 1, say something bigoted in polite terms. Step 2 claim that people are manipulating antisemitism/racism to shutdown criticism of israel/conservative policy discussions

Ironically the surge of disgraceful antisemtism makes it harder for center left parties to pressure israel for a more humanitarian approach because they have to fight on two fronts (especially with police statistics showing a dramatic surge in anti semitic hate crimes starting oct 8)

It was disgusting and glad antisemitism was rejected by the australian public

In Australia there is a feeling amongst activists that Islamaphobia is more prevalent and tolerated more than anti-Semitism, Grazor.

It has been the case that some Jewish organisations have more clout and been able to exert pressure on Labor MPs to repudiate the attacks against Jews more than attacks on Islam.

As I've stated in the previous post it is important to differentiate between Jews and the Israeli Netanyahu government.

One progressive Aus Jewish group, (it might be the Aus Jewery Council, not sure though?) is concerned about the genocide in Gaza and Israel's aggressive role. They want the Aus Labor govt to do more to support Palestinians.

As I've said before there are Jews in Labor Friends Of Palestine in this state, and Jews who are members of Friends of Palestine and Aus Palestine Advocacy Network. They feel the Israeli govt is doing to Gazans, what Hitler did to them in WW 2.

At the same time, the original attacks by Hamas against Israeli citizens on October 7th and taking hostages, was abhorrent. It took me some 5 months before I became active ( like many others) in the Palestinian support groups, because of the original Hamas wrongdoing.

 

[Decentric]

the Liberal Party aren't the right. They're Labor lite.

The Libs have lurched to the right for decades, starting with John Howard's ascension to PM.

Moderate Libs have been overwhelmed by the conservative right in the Libs. Also, in the 2022 election, Lib Moderates like Dave Sharma and Trent Zimmerman lost their seats to Teals.

Wyatt Roy and Turnbull have gone too.

This election the Libs have lost moderates Bridget Archer in Bass, plus Lyons candidate Susie Bower was tipped to unseat Brian Mitchell, until he was replaced as Labor candidate by Bec White.

Also, Molahan (spelling) the Lib interviewed yesterday on Insiders, who is behind in counting in his seat, is a Moderate Lib. Looks like he will be ejected too.

Moreover, the Libs have tried to destroy the union movement. The union movement has won a lot of reform under this Labor govt - the right to switch off from work, the criminalisation of wage theft, same job same pay for labour hire workers, stronger protection against sexual harassment and discrimination, stronger rights for casuals, new rights for union delegates, etc.

On workplace relations Liberal and Labour are poles apart. Because the current hard right L/NP are so anti-worker, they mobilised the powerful union movement more than ever to throw the kitchen sink at the LNP in this campaign.

 

[Son of Sam]

The Libs have lurched to the right for decades, starting with John Howard's ascension to PM.

Moderate Libs have been overwhelmed by the conservative right in the Libs. Also, in the 2022 election, Moderates like Dave Sharma and Trent Zimmerman lost their seats to Teals.

Wyatt Roy and Turnbull have gone too.

This election the Libs have lost Moderates Bridget Archer in Bass, plus Lyons candidate Susie Bower was tipped to unseat Brian Mitchell, until he was replaced as Labor candidate by Bec White.

Also, Molahan (spelling) the Lib interviewed yesterday on Insiders, who is behind in counting in his seat, is a Moderate Lib. Looks like he will be ejected too.

This is not healthy for our democracy. If the Right Wing parties re-generate it may only be with Far Right candidates.

And then we are stuck with US style politics.

But I blame John Howard for all of this. I told everyone that he has poisoned the well, and that things will get worse politically. I think I have been justified to some extent.

 

[erogenouszone]

The Libs have lurched to the right for decades, starting with John Howard's ascension to PM.

Pauline Hanson was in the Liberal Party until they threw her out because of her policies however John Howard took ALL of her policies and used them to get elected. The last of the moderate and sensible Liberals ( they do exist ) were wiped out in the big cities in the last election before this one either by Labor, the Teals and the Greens therefore sending the party lurching further to the right and narrowing their base further. Whomever advised the Dutton etc to go down the pathetic "culture war" path should be tarred and feathered because it was a very poor campaign with no real policies that had any broad appeal ( gas reserve, meh, public service sackings, meh ). Liberals are finished in the big cities for the most part. If I was a local Liberal MP member I'd be furious with the fuckwits at the top who went down the stupid Trumpian style garbage. My parents electorate for example had a liberal member who is a local and really cared about the local community and did alot of work in there and he is now gone because of the idiot Dutton.

Labor kept to the middle ground on everything, didn't debase themselves or lower themselves like others and expanded and enlarged their majority and they won't need the support of minor parties for anything except maybe in the Senate but that will take a few weeks to sort out who is who in that zoo.

Clive Palmer is stupid fat fuck. I wouldn't invest in anything he owns and would pull my money out if he did. Billionaires should not overtly support politics ( ala Elon ) and stick to making money. It's just fucking embarassing and once again he's spent 8 or 9 figures for absolutely nothing. What an idiot.

 

[erogenouszone]

Bandt was estimated ahead 3 hours ago but is now behind. A lot of preferences starting to kick in. God I hope he loses.

I despise them all. The only person I respect in that party is Bob Brown. A true advocate for the environment who's policies at the time were considered radical but formed the basis of awareness of the environment in this country in general. The current lot of Greens I wouldn't piss on, bunch of watermelons.

 

[Decentric]

This is not healthy for our democracy. If the Right Wing parties re-generate it may only be with Far Right candidates.

And then we are stuck with US style politics.

But I blame John Howard for all of this. I told everyone that he has poisoned the well, and that things will get worse politically. I think I have been justified to some extent.

Knocking doors for the union movement in 4 suburbs/towns in Lyons, (overall I've done 12 suburbs/towns over a number of elections in Clark, Franklin and Lyons), Trump was an issue for voters - possibly about 4th most important.

It seemed to be cost of living, access to health services ( Labor's new emergency centres are very popular), older voters worried about their adult kids getting into the housing market, Trump (idiotic policies and his effect on super funds), education - in that order for voters in Lyons, and a touch of Franklin.

Doorknocking and handing out leaflets is really invaluable for meeting voters directly. The media rarely meets voters face to face en masse for sustained periods. The media then often pontificate on opinion polls.

Generally people are courteous if approached politely. Particularly when asked to state issues important to them for the election.

Conversely, I can't get over how rude people are comparatively on the internet on Facebook, where there is a lot of abuse and trolling that occurs in political discussions. Female politicians seem to cop it in particular.

 

[Decentric]

I despise them all. The only person I respect in that party is Bob Brown. A true advocate for the environment who's policies at the time were considered radical but formed the basis of awareness of the environment in this country in general. The current lot of Greens I wouldn't piss on, bunch of watermelons.

Bob is a great activist, but many lefties think he has been a poor politician. I've met him heaps of times.

The other senior Green MPs down here, share his approach.

I campaign a lot with rank and file Greens. Just about all of them are good people. They tend to be idealistic, which I like.

 

[erogenouszone]

The greens hate the Jews

Greens = Pro Palestine. Liberals = Pro Israel. Labor = Rode the line well on this issue for the most part.

Guess who destroyed Liberals and Greens in this election.

 

[Muz]

The greens hate the Jews

I'm not sticking up for anyone here but are you ok with Israel killing 50 thousand people including 10 thousand children?

Yes I know Hamas started it.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Proud of our country today... No matter what issues divide us, the nation has shown that kindness, empathy and ambition are still values held dear by the Australian people.... Culture wars and fear-mongering belong to lesser nations, we still care about each other, want EVERYONE to share in teh bounty of this land, respect our multicultural differences, concede defeat graciously (big kudos to Dutton) and respect the process which gives all a voice.... bravo Australia....

 

[Decentric]

I despise them all. The only person I respect in that party is Bob Brown. A true advocate for the environment who's policies at the time were considered radical but formed the basis of awareness of the environment in this country in general. The current lot of Greens I wouldn't piss on, bunch of watermelons.

The watermelons are supposedly mainly based in NSW. My favourite Greens in person are the watermelons down here. They care for the disadvantaged more.

The current right wing , punitive LNP simply despise the economically disadvantaged as if it is their fault!

Robodebt and the cashless card policies exemplify the LNP callous disregard for the battlers. The Abbott/Turbull/Morrison LNP govts attacked the victims, not the system.

Down here IMO too many Greens have had privileged lifestyles and can't relate to the disadvantaged and the battlers. The watermelon Greens can.

 

[Decentric]

Proud of our country today... No matter what issues divide us, the nation has shown that kindness, empathy and ambition are still values held dear by the Australian people.... Culture wars and fear-mongering belong to lesser nations, we still care about each other, want EVERYONE to share in teh bounty of this land, respect our multicultural differences, concede defeat graciously (big kudos to Dutton) and respect the process which gives all a voice.... bravo Australia....

Fair play to you, MOE.

Agree with every word. Top post!

Good point about Dutton conceding graciously. For me his finest moment. His only fine moment!

 

[erogenouszone]

Down here IMO too many Greens have had privileged lifestyles and can't relate to the disadvantaged and the battlers

Here in Australia we call them Chardonnay Socialists. They're even worse.

 

[Decentric]

Here in Australia we call them Chardonnay Socialists. They're even worse.

Some of the more privileged Greens I know aren't really socialists at all.

 

[melbcityguy]

I'm not sticking up for anyone here but are you ok with Israel killing 50 thousand people including 10 thousand children?

Yes I know Hamas started it.

I think Israel is in the wrong now and don't have a problem with condemning it. But Greens have been against Jews for years

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Israel and Hamas are BOTH to blame.... and have been for 100 years.