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Big fires in LA

its curious that this would occur in the middle of winter

I guess here in Australia we don't really have any major urban centres with a climate quite like LA's.
 
I don't think this warrants a new thread. You could literally turn over and chat among yourselves.
 
Could've just put it in the conspiracy theory spread. Land grab? Yet it's the wealthy who've been burnt down.

Indeed the winds are incredibly strong but that's no excuse for the buck passing mismanagement or fuel load and fire fighter funding. Fire services should be so highly funded that their work nearly prevents these things. So much money is wasted on other ineffective shit. We should have almost too many fire fighters and trucks.

It's the same with those Spanish floods. Mitigation and management is null. Some of our greatest minds are developing management methods and they're not funded or implemented.

Like with any cause, what are the climate change cause beneficiaries going to do once it's all fixed? Move onto the next gravy train I suppose.
 
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Could've just put it in the conspiracy theory spread. Land grab? Yet it's the wealthy who've been burnt down.

Indeed the winds are incredibly strong but that's no excuse for the buck passing mismanagement or fuel load and fire fighter funding. Fire services should be so highly funded that their work nearly prevents these things. So much money is wasted on other ineffective shit. We should have almost too many fire fighters and trucks.

It's the same with those Spanish floods. Mitigation and management is null. Some of our greatest minds are developing management methods and they're not funded or implemented.

Like with any cause, what are the climate change cause beneficiaries going to do once it's all fixed? Move onto the next gravy train I suppose.
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Or these events are now so big and extreme it's next to impossible to manage it once it starts.

For the Spanish floods they got a YEAR'S worth of rain in 8 hours. That's 8 HOURS !!!! No amount of planning is going to help with an event that extreme. You can't mitigate a response for something like that ever. So it's quite trite to blame 'management'.

Those winds fanning those fires in LA were blowing at 160 km/hrs. An unheard of speed for that area. Almost cyclonic for an area that's not in a cyclone zone. (Hurricane in their hemisphere.) On top of a 5 year drought.

Yes things could have been managed better like every disaster ever but you'd have to have your head fair up your arse if you keep track of these things and not see a trend upwards of events getting more and more extreme.

But keep jamming trillions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere and we'll see more of the same, and worse. (Or not.) The experiment is well under way.
 
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Muz said:
Or these events are now so big and extreme it's next to impossible to manage it once it starts.

For the Spanish floods they got a YEAR'S worth of rain in 8 hours. That's 8 HOURS !!!! No amount of planning is going to help with an event that extreme. You can't mitigate a response for something like that ever. So it's quite trite to blame 'management'.

Those winds fanning those fires in LA were blowing at 160 km/hrs. An unheard of speed for that area. Almost cyclonic for an area that's not in a cyclone zone. (Hurricane in their hemisphere.) On top of a 5 year drought.

Yes things could have been managed better like every disaster ever but you'd have to have your head fair up your arse if you keep track of these things and not see a trend upwards of events getting more and more extreme.

But keep jamming trillions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere and we'll see more of the same, and worse. (Or not.) The experiment is well under way.
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There's no denying the amount of rain is Spain was of massive proportion. I'm not saying it could've been prevented yet the report said this region is a climate zone where such heavy rain is typical. The levels were insurmountable; however such catastrophic levels have been foretold for over a decade. So why didn't the authorities react to the apparent realistic nature of such levels and plan and mitigate as best a possible?

They had done very little but also the warning system and the communication to the public was diabolical, just like Ahrtal in Germany.

Of course, how can we expect politicians to handle any of this sensibly? Not to mention they'll drain the working population dry to 'pay' for it when it's actually just syphoning money to their own friends.

I agree Muz, utterly insane that we're having Winter Olympics in the desert or all those private jets to Vegas for the Superbowl. Someone has to get the right policies into gear but they're tentative and ineffective in their own right. Punishing the weak for the ills of those causing the majority and hardly being effected. Just have to look at Germany energy policy.
 
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Climate change zealots, hell bent on proving a point and going around starting fires probably doesn't help......
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I find arson gets swept under the carpet too easily by the media. It's not like fires are caused by a Harry Potter Fawkes exploding.

It's a catch 22 as it's a very easy excuse for leaders to mask their mismanagement but in turn makes the preferred parties and leaders of certain media companies look bad.

The latter doesn't really matter though as each side of the media will compliment or berate their side.
 
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There's no denying the amount of rain is Spain was of massive proportion. I'm not saying it could've been prevented yet the report said this region is a climate zone where such heavy rain is typical. The levels were insurmountable; however such catastrophic levels have been foretold for over a decade. So why didn't the authorities react to the apparent realistic nature of such levels and plan and mitigate as best a possible?

They had done very little but also the warning system and the communication to the public was diabolical, just like Ahrtal in Germany.

Of course, how can we expect politicians to handle any of this sensibly? Not to mention they'll drain the working population dry to 'pay' for it when it's actually just syphoning money to their own friends.

I agree Muz, utterly insane that we're having Winter Olympics in the desert or all those private jets to Vegas for the Superbowl. Someone has to get the right policies into gear but they're tentative and ineffective in their own right. Punishing the weak for the ills of those causing the majority and hardly being effected. Just have to look at Germany energy policy.
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I don't know anything about German politics so I'll take your word for it but again, in the case of Spain, you can't plan for a years worth of rainfall in 8 hours.

Nobody expected that much rain so it's hardly 'typical'. A more valid criticism would be if they had gotten rain in accordance with previous flooding events and it was still a shitshow. In which case go right ahead and criticise them.

The biggest issue is money like you say.

You can have 10 times the fire trucks and 10 times the firemen for the 1 in 100 year event that may or may not happen. And who's going to pay for all of this equipment and these people when they twiddle their thumbs for, possibly, 30 years, IN CASE something happens?

As usual it's a trade off between what you think might happen in a worst case scenario and what they can afford.

They're now getting criticised for 'wasting' money on the homeless problem and ignoring the fire threat. There's never enough money for everything at the funding that those in charge think they need. It's always a matter of competing priorities. Do they deal with the very real problem at the present or do they ignore that and put all our eggs in another basket?

Of course the solution is to fund both.

Good luck with that.
 
JS96 said:
I find arson gets swept under the carpet too easily by the media. It's not like fires are caused by a Harry Potter Fawkes exploding.

It's a catch 22 as it's a very easy excuse for leaders to mask their mismanagement but in turn makes the preferred parties and leaders of certain media companies look bad.

The latter doesn't really matter though as each side of the media will compliment or berate their side.
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Mostly lightning strikes start these fires, particularly in Australia.

That's not to say arson isn't a factor but it's dwarfed by natural causes.

Arson, pardon the pun, has become a lightning rod for the right to blame for these events.
 
Muz said:
Mostly lightning strikes start these fires, particularly in Australia.

That's not to say arson isn't a factor but it's dwarfed by natural causes.

Arson, pardon the pun, has become a lightning rod for the right to blame for these events.
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its the middle of winter in California champ

its hardly thunderstorm season
 
Muz said:
I don't know anything about German politics so I'll take your word for it but again, in the case of Spain, you can't plan for a years worth of rainfall in 8 hours.

Nobody expected that much rain so it's hardly 'typical'. A more valid criticism would be if they had gotten rain in accordance with previous flooding events and it was still a shitshow. In which case go right ahead and criticise them.

The biggest issue is money like you say.

You can have 10 times the fire trucks and 10 times the firemen for the 1 in 100 year event that may or may not happen. And who's going to pay for all of this equipment and these people when they twiddle their thumbs for, possibly, 30 years, IN CASE something happens?

As usual it's a trade off between what you think might happen in a worst case scenario and what they can afford.

They're now getting criticised for 'wasting' money on the homeless problem and ignoring the fire threat. There's never enough money for everything at the funding that those in charge think they need. It's always a matter of competing priorities. Do they deal with the very real problem at the present or do they ignore that and put all our eggs in another basket?

Of course the solution is to fund both.

Good luck with that.
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That's exactly right. The criticism for maintaining and supplying everything in case something happens will be criticised. The events are seemingly inevitable so the ROI should be more attractive. These are investments in the economy as well providing jobs and activity. Emergency and social services should be excellently funded but the funnelling of money into personal and private coffers is the drawback.

I felt the same with the pandemic. We should have had much more in waiting stored away. Lord knows the hoarding of old, obsolete shut by governments and organisations. Also, the covid beds in German fair halls should've stayed and been offered very cheaply to university students. It's all beds folded up now. It's an everything or nothing method.
 
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the mental gymnastics on display here by those defending their Democrat Party deities is something to behold
 
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