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Conspiracy theories

My favourite part is the bit where the thousands and thousands of people that would need to be involved to pull this off, all managed to stay silent before and after - without not the one simple escaping of information. Even though they apparently manage to warn all the jews not to go to work that day :ROFLMAO:

Also, this secret government cabal that pulled it off must be amazing - because one thing covid has shown us is how pathetically incompetent government agencies and governments themselves around the world are. This must be one section that is really, really good
 
tsf said:
My favourite part is the bit where the thousands and thousands of people that would need to be involved to pull this off, all managed to stay silent before and after - without not the one simple escaping of information. Even though they apparently manage to warn all the jews not to go to work that day :ROFLMAO:

Also, this secret government cabal that pulled it off must be amazing - because one thing covid has shown us is how pathetically incompetent government agencies and governments themselves around the world are. This must be one section that is really, really good
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The perpetrators are talking ... but it's case of: "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

i.e. when the perpetrators talk ... but the Leftist-Democrat media do not report it .... and only the so-called fringe investigative organisations do report it ... but people like tsf discredit such sources as being "conspiracy theory" .... did it happen.

So much of the fraud was exposed in Dinesh D'Souza's documentary, "2000 Mules" - showing the use of drop boxes and ballot harvesting. (There are places on the internet where people have uploaded the video of this documentary).

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2000 Mules Trailer

Here’s the official trailer for “2000 Mules.” It’s the movie we’ve all been waiting for. Please share! And go to 2000Mules.com to buy your ticket to see the movie in its premiere week
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Here is a video where a person, involved in the fraud, described how it happened.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

BREAKING! Dem Operative Caught In Undercover Video Explaining How They Allegedly Stole 2020 Election in GA: From Nursing Home Ballot Harvesting to Identifying A Driver in 2000 Mules | The Gateway Pundit | by Patty McMurray

A stunning undercover video that was just released by Steven Crowder reveals a Democrat operative who can be seen explaining to an undercover female how members of his party are stealing elections from Republicans.
www.thegatewaypundit.com www.thegatewaypundit.com
 
tsf said:
My favourite part is the bit where the thousands and thousands of people that would need to be involved to pull this off, all managed to stay silent before and after - without not the one simple escaping of information. Even though they apparently manage to warn all the jews not to go to work that day :ROFLMAO:

Also, this secret government cabal that pulled it off must be amazing - because one thing covid has shown us is how pathetically incompetent government agencies and governments themselves around the world are. This must be one section that is really, really good
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The whole thing falls over at the very first hurdle.

When they asked demolition experts how long it would take to bring down a building as large as the twin towers the estimates were not days or weeks or even a month. It was 3 months, at a minimum. That's going in and laying 10's of kms of wire, removing plaster, studwork, plumbing, cabling and fittings to weaken major structural elements by cutting them partially or completely through with gas axes or massive grinders. When cornered as to how this could have happened without anyone noticing they answer that it was done at night.

Right! So come in and lay 100s of metres of wire every night, pull down half the walls and then at 4am, before the cleaners turn up, reinstall all the plaster and studwork, paint it all, put everyone's posters back up and hide all the wiring under the carpet before the cleaners clock on.

Fuck me dead. These cunts are the stupidest people on the planet.
 
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Muz said:
The whole thing falls over at the very first hurdle.

When they asked demolition experts how long it would take to bring down a building as large as the twin towers the estimates were not days or weeks or even a month. It was 3 months at a minimum. That's going in and laying 100's of kms of wire, removing plaster, studwork, plumbing, cabling and fittings to weaken major structural elements by cutting them partially or completely through with gas axes or massive grinders. When cornered as to how this could have happened without anyone noticing they answer that it was done at night.

Right! So come in and lay 100s of metres of wire every night, pull down half the walls and then at 4am, before the cleaners turn up, reinstall all the plaster and studwork, paint it all, put everyone's posters back up and hide all the wiring under the carpet before the cleaners clock on.

Fuck me dead. These cunts are the stupidest people on the planet.
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Fucking hilarious :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Well if you don't believe a conspiracy you're free to m
johnsmith said:
It depends how you frame the question.

Do you define "conspiracy theory" as the Mainstream Media does -- that's such a silly idea, only idiots would go down that rabbit hole.

Or the strict dictionary definition of a "conspiracy theory" being --- a theory that there may, or may not, be a conspiracy (definition: "a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful").

For example .... and this might be pushing people beyond their general knowledge of history ..... did Guy Fawkes in 1605 conspire with five others to blow up of the House of Lords. That's not a conspiracy-theory. It's a conspiracy-fact.

Whereas now, the Media has warped the plain meaning of "conspiracy-theory" into "don't even review the data and evidence that those fools present to you".
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I believe there are cover ups and things we don't know that have happened for sure
 
I'd say our resident tin-foil hat wearer easily ticks all 17 of these.



A conspiracy theorist often exhibits certain cognitive and behavioral traits. These traits don't apply to all individuals universally but are common patterns observed in those prone to conspiracy thinking. Here’s a list of such traits:

Cognitive Traits​

  1. Pattern Recognition Overdrive: Tendency to perceive patterns and connections between unrelated events or information.
  2. Suspiciousness: Deep mistrust of official explanations or authorities.
  3. Confirmation Bias: Favoring evidence that supports their belief while disregarding or rationalizing evidence to the contrary.
  4. Cognitive Closure: Desire for quick and definite answers to complex or uncertain issues.
  5. Paranoia: A heightened sense of persecution or belief that malevolent forces are acting against them or society.
  6. Illusory Correlation: Perceiving a relationship between events when none exists.
  7. Overestimating Agency: Assuming deliberate intent behind random or natural events.

Emotional Traits​

  1. Anxiety: Heightened fear or concern about global or personal safety.
  2. Need for Uniqueness: Finding satisfaction in holding beliefs that make them feel special or different from the mainstream.
  3. Distrust of Others: A generalized suspicion of motives or honesty in people or organizations.

Behavioral Traits​

  1. Echo Chamber Engagement: Frequent participation in groups or forums that reinforce their views without challenge.
  2. Selective Information Consumption: Reliance on specific sources, often non-mainstream, for news and information.
  3. Resistance to Criticism: Viewing challenges to their beliefs as personal attacks or proof of a cover-up.
  4. Spreading Beliefs: A strong urge to convert others to their perspective, often using emotional appeals or anecdotal evidence.

Social Traits​

  1. In-Group/Out-Group Thinking: Clear division of "believers" versus "sheep" or "oppressors."
  2. Mistrust of Expertise: Rejection of experts or academic consensus in favor of alternative or self-proclaimed authorities.
  3. Defensiveness: Quick to defend their beliefs against perceived ridicule or dismissal.
While these traits can be used to describe a tendency toward conspiracy thinking, they exist on a spectrum and can also be found to varying degrees in the general population. Recognizing these traits helps in understanding, rather than stereotyping, individuals who exhibit them.
 
Muz said:
Having said all of that the US did use the attack as a pretext to invade Iraq. That's not a conspiracy, that's a fact.
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Yep. Those Iraq wars were all based on lies and turn the Middle East into a cauldron of violence & spread terrorism worldwide for the next 15 years or so.
 
johnsmith said:
This webpage gives their evidence.

Evidence Overview

AE911Truth is a nonprofit organization that represents more than 3,000 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11.
www.ae911truth.org www.ae911truth.org

If you truly are an expert of small structures, then I'd expect you to have at least some professional curiosity about how other professionals view this controversial matter, rather than ranting and raving about your experience with far smaller structures.

If I met a professional who had a innate curiosity about things in the public discourse that pertain to his work-experience -- versus some idiot that rants and raves at the slightest provocation -- I'd be include to hear the guy who gives reasoning and arguments, rather than the raving screaming guy claiming to be some consultant.

e.g. when there's some events in current affairs that pertain to my professional expertise -- and friends ask me about it -- I reply with reasons and arguments. I don't scream and yell like some stark-raving loony.
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You know nothing about me you retarded mong. For over 30 years I've worked on 3 continents on multi-million dollar projects so complex and involved it would make your pea brain swim. Your pathetic and condescending ramblings about 'small structures' shows you have absolutely no clue.
 
melbcityguy said:
What conspiracy theory do you believe or what global event felt a bit off to you?

I'll start the Vegas shooting seemed a bit weird how a old guy did that the media was quiet as well some things didn't add up
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that was an assassination attempt on MBS gone wrong

the perp (Khashoggi ) who orchestrated it was dealt with a year later to the day
 
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Muz said:
You know nothing about me you retarded mong. For over 30 years I've worked on 3 continents on multi-million dollar projects so complex and involved it would make your pea brain swim. Your pathetic and condescending ramblings about 'small structures' shows you have absolutely no clue.
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Oh my gosh, Muz, sorry. Accept my apologies and respect.

Let's do some mathematics (Aussie for "math"). Muz has "over" 30 years experience, so let's guess 33 years. The year 2024 minus 33 indicates Muz graduated around 1991.

Now we compare Muz's experience to the list of so far 3,661 Engineers and Architects who had the 844LS to put their professional name on the line by signing the petition.

AE911Truth Supporter Signature List

www.ae911truth.org www.ae911truth.org

In the list, the first part is Architects, the second part is Engineers.

I searched the list for the number "19" to find with at least 25 years experience - 1,079 out of the 3,661 signatories. Among those include grads from:

Princeton​
Cornell​
Yale​
UCLA​
Stanford​
Georgia Institute of Technology​
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.)​
Harvard​
Berkeley​
University of Pennsylvania (UPenn)​
Columbia​
University of Melbourne​
Carnegie Mellon​
Dartmouth College​
West Point​
University of Tokyo​

Ok, I'll concede that a grad from some of the top universities in the world, with 25+ years of professional experience, doesn't automatically make them competent. But, hey, I personally hesitate to automatically brand them as useless mugs.

I'll summarise my perception of you, Muz, that your first instinct is to resort to ad hominem attacks, rather than delve into evidence and facts. Aren't you at least professionally-curious why these engineers and architects made the conclusions of 9/11 that they did? The following link explains their rationale:

Evidence Overview

AE911Truth is a nonprofit organization that represents more than 3,000 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11.
www.ae911truth.org www.ae911truth.org
 
I thought we already had a thread but no, they were the other ones with all the theory discussions.

So what really happened to Harold Holt?
 
johnsmith said:
Oh my gosh, Muz, sorry. Accept my apologies and respect.

Let's do some mathematics (Aussie for "math"). Muz has "over" 30 years experience, so let's guess 33 years. The year 2024 minus 33 indicates Muz graduated around 1991.

Now we compare Muz's experience to the list of so far 3,661 Engineers and Architects who had the 844LS to put their professional name on the line by signing the petition.

AE911Truth Supporter Signature List

www.ae911truth.org www.ae911truth.org

In the list, the first part is Architects, the second part is Engineers.

I searched the list for the number "19" to find with at least 25 years experience - 1,079 out of the 3,661 signatories. Among those include grads from:

Princeton​
Cornell​
Yale​
UCLA​
Stanford​
Georgia Institute of Technology​
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (M.I.T.)​
Harvard​
Berkeley​
University of Pennsylvania (UPenn)​
Columbia​
University of Melbourne​
Carnegie Mellon​
Dartmouth College​
West Point​
University of Tokyo​

Ok, I'll concede that a grad from some of the top universities in the world, with 25+ years of professional experience, doesn't automatically make them competent. But, hey, I personally hesitate to automatically brand them as useless mugs.

I'll summarise my perception of you, Muz, that your first instinct is to resort to ad hominem attacks, rather than delve into evidence and facts. Aren't you at least professionally-curious why these engineers and architects made the conclusions of 9/11 that they did? The following link explains their rationale:

Evidence Overview

AE911Truth is a nonprofit organization that represents more than 3,000 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11.
www.ae911truth.org www.ae911truth.org
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I'll summarise my perception of you johnsmith, you are a fuckhead.
 
Muz said:
I'll summarise my perception of you johnsmith, you are a fuckhead.
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Hello Muz

I perceive from your tone of writing that, not only were you having a go at me in strong language, but that your hitting out at me was like an enraged cry of a man who had been hurt inside. I'm really sorry to have hurt you. It actually hurts me to see you hurt. Apologies.

Going forward, I propose to dial back my tone so that I come across nicer to you, as far as when the ball is in my court.

At the same time, I would encourage you to be more open to facts and evidence, even when they point to what had seemed a ludicrous conclusion. There's an old maxim: "if you cannot fault the reasoning, you cannot fault the conclusion". That means, if the reasoning is sound, then the conclusion is sound, irrespective of whether it seems ludicrous in the first place.

e.g. if the Resurrection can be supported by sound reasoning, then no matter how implausible it may initially seem, the reasoning points to it being truth, in spite of how implausible it might seem.
 
johnsmith said:
Hello Muz

I perceive from your tone of writing that, not only were you having a go at me in strong language, but that your hitting out at me was like an enraged cry of a man who had been hurt inside. I'm really sorry to have hurt you. It actually hurts me to see you hurt. Apologies.

Going forward, I propose to dial back my tone so that I come across nicer to you, as far as when the ball is in my court.

At the same time, I would encourage you to be more open to facts and evidence, even when they point to what had seemed a ludicrous conclusion. There's an old maxim: "if you cannot fault the reasoning, you cannot fault the conclusion". That means, if the reasoning is sound, then the conclusion is sound, irrespective of whether it seems ludicrous in the first place.

e.g. if the Resurrection can be supported by sound reasoning, then no matter how implausible it may initially seem, the reasoning points to it being truth, in spite of how implausible it might seem.
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Can the Resurrection be supported by sound reasoning?
 
I find it curious when someone claims to be a qualified expert in a particular field of endeavor then proceeds to post someone else's video as an explainer rather than provide a specific explanation themselves. That would suggest to me perhaps they're overestimating their standing and I'd advise they exhibit more humility.

Anyway, the topic of 9/11 is rather boring to me as 23 years have now passed. Its a quagmire as its been overcovered and any useful evidence and witnesses have long been dispensed with. Such an event would be far more difficult to carry out in the age of the smart phone and omnipresent CCTV. The only things we can be sure about are motives, who benefits, outcomes and who actually benefitted.
 
Keeper66 said:
Can the Resurrection be supported by sound reasoning?
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Of course, yes.

No lie can lead to a good end result.

The New Testament states:

"And if Christ has not been raised, ... we [Christians] are of all people most to be pitied." (1st Corinthians 15:14,19)​

If, for argument's sake, Christianity were in fact a total fabrication - and a Christian devotes their whole life to living according to the gospel - you might say, "no harm done, since it helps them be morally good people". But there are tons of alternate ways of living a moral life (if that were the sole aim, which is isn't) that do not require interacting with an invisible God. Hence, as the apostle Paul said, we Christians would be the most pitiful people. If there was no Resurrection, then Christians would be living in a delusion ... and, no matter which way you spin it, living in a delusion can never be treated as a positive.

Hence, whether Christ is the only way ... or whether Christianity is the biggest delusion ... all hinges on the Resurrection of Christ being literally and historically true.
 
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