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EBUS said:
I consider South Melbourne to be the opposite of a sugar hit, fancy new franchises are sugar hits

Granted the time to bring in South would have been between 2005-2010, but god they couldn't possibly do worse than WU, and you have a ready made fiery rivalry with Victory right there
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No doubt SMH would smoke WU and Bulls might I add re crowds amongst a couple of other APL Clubs and sure its an injection but not at the expense of the NPL/Clubs and the bigger picture.
This would create another deflection on setting up the game below that needs building/support on finally creating a road map more in sync open and improved Jnr development moving forward.
We need this Championship or NSD to get going, gain some momentum, get to a Pro model and anothe rbelow in the future far more important than propping up a closed system and one that isn't in favour of open competition.
 
EBUS said:
I consider South Melbourne to be the opposite of a sugar hit, fancy new franchises are sugar hits

Granted the time to bring in South would have been between 2005-2010, but god they couldn't possibly do worse than WU, and you have a ready made fiery rivalry with Victory right there
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A rivalry would have perhaps been on the cards in 2005-10 but there is no feeling there (hatred or otherwise) at the moment. It would be one sided if anything with Victory wanting to show relevance against the "old guard" apart from playing their u23s every few years when they make the NPL there is no rivalry from Souths end, at least sporting wise....

Like LFC says, best the A League stay a stand alone competition for now, the APL wants it so, the "rest of us" need to focus on growing the actual sport and the hundreds of clubs in Australia first. If, one day, we ALL unite, so be it, but I don't think Ill be alive for that.
 
EBUS said:
Do we think the APL would be considering throwing South Melbourne a bone? I think it would be the huge shot in the arm the A-League needs and could really re-ignite the league in Melbourne which has really stagnated since COVID

They will be desperate to salvage this upcoming broadcast rights deal, if they can finally get Canberra sorted I don't see why they wouldn't at least be considering it to get to an even 14 teams
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Doubt it. And according to Mono the “members would vote against it”. They also can’t join the A-League because they are playing in both the Championship and the OFC pro-league or whatever it’s called.
 
Kitwally said:
Doubt it. And according to Mono the “members would vote against it”. They also can’t join the A-League because they are playing in both the Championship and the OFC pro-league or whatever it’s called.
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OFC Pro league hasnt been locked in .... yet..... Sad things is that we even have to look at something like this because of no opportunity to be promoted in the normal way to Aleague....
 
LFC said:
No doubt SMH would smoke WU and Bulls might I add re crowds amongst a couple of other APL Clubs and sure its an injection but not at the expense of the NPL/Clubs and the bigger picture.
This would create another deflection on setting up the game below that needs building/support on finally creating a road map more in sync open and improved Jnr development moving forward.
We need this Championship or NSD to get going, gain some momentum, get to a Pro model and anothe rbelow in the future far more important than propping up a closed system and one that isn't in favour of open competition.
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Lads dont argue ... we are SMFC and we will play NPL, AU championship, OFC, Au Cup, aleague, world club championship and for a change may even join a couple of the regional leagues as training camps to grow the brand! Who knows perhaps in 2 years we can also join the Greek league and from there challenge for the champions league! 🤣
 
Kitwally said:
Thanks for the clarification. Why would the members vote no? And how do you know they would vote no?
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question KW, say your in a similar position be it your own local club or your on the board - would you vote yay or nay entering a competition that is struggling ? not stable ? will cost you much $$ for your NOT getting much back from the governing body for X years unless some miracle occurs re the broadcast renewal.
Do you see your Club in a good position looking ahead ?
 
LFC said:
question KW, say your in a similar position be it your own local club or your on the board - would you vote yay or nay entering a competition that is struggling ? not stable ? will cost you much $$ for your NOT getting much back from the governing body for X years unless some miracle occurs re the broadcast renewal.
Do you see your Club in a good position looking ahead ?
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Good points LFC. From what I gather on the chat here, the club has great financials (although I’m not a member so I will never know), and there’s confidence that the crowds would come so gate revenue would be there. But the A-League club allocation or whatever it’s called is down from around $3 million to around $500K, which is concerning. But WU failing doesn’t mean the League will go belly up. But if the club was run in a fiscally prudent way, and it seems that it is, then why not? The worst case is, go back to NPL Vic later.
Mono clarified that he was joking about not wanting to, and I missed the joke. He seems sure that the members would not want to, but the posters on here seem to want to. It’s all a bit confusing. The joys of demokratia!
 
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Kitwally said:
Thanks for the clarification. Why would the members vote no? And how do you know they would vote no?
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Because everyone voting member I have spoken to agrees with me.. We went cap in hand to FFA 5 times to let us into the Aleague and now, when the chips are down for the franchises why would we help out in THEIR hour of need? Perhaps we may very well decide to bid for yet ANOTHER license but I feel that the board would find it hard to sell this dream to the members this time around ... maybe I am far off and the desire really is there, either way Ill let democracy rule... I PERSONALLY don't want it and thats all I can 100% vouch for....... IF you can't understand that Im not sue what else I can tell you.
 
Kitwally said:
Good points LFC. From what I gather on the chat here, the club has great financials (although I’m not a member so I will never know), and there’s confidence that the crowds would come so gate revenue would be there. But the A-League club allocation or whatever it’s called is down from around $3 million to around $500K, which is concerning. But WU failing doesn’t mean the League will go belly up. But if the club was run in a fiscally prudent way, and it seems that it is, then why not? The worst case is, go back to NPL Vic later.
Mono clarified that he was joking about not wanting to, and I missed the joke. He seems sure that the members would not want to, but the posters on here seem to want to. It’s all a bit confusing. The joys of demokratia!
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I think you have misunderstood my posts prior... I wasn't joking about NOT wanting to, I'm deadly serious... to be CLEAR I DO NOT WANT SOUTH MELBOURNE TO BUY A LICENSE TO JOIN THE A LEAGUE.

My gallows humour was around that fact that so many of my fellow fans have ALWAYS wanted to be in the top flight whatever it took, I am a little more prideful, we have begged for 13 years.... ENOUGH if we get into the Aleague it should ONLY be in a way that other clubs at our level can also achieve... no more exceptionalism or excluding anyone.. whether thats around money or ethnicity... I want a fair open pro/rel system for ALL clubs in Australia, mine included.... If the Aleague franchisees can live with that then they can also be included, if not, then they should remain separate from the rest for ever... I dont wanna be one of them.

Now, if my club does go down that path, which it very well may (stranger things have happened) I will be saddened but I will never NOT attend South Melbourne matches... One life, one love one club.... you can't change what the heart pumps for...

I hope that clears things up for you a little?
 
Kitwally said:
Good points LFC. From what I gather on the chat here, the club has great financials (although I’m not a member so I will never know), and there’s confidence that the crowds would come so gate revenue would be there. But the A-League club allocation or whatever it’s called is down from around $3 million to around $500K, which is concerning. But WU failing doesn’t mean the League will go belly up. But if the club was run in a fiscally prudent way, and it seems that it is, then why not? The worst case is, go back to NPL Vic later.
Mono clarified that he was joking about not wanting to, and I missed the joke. He seems sure that the members would not want to, but the posters on here seem to want to. It’s all a bit confusing. The joys of demokratia!
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demokratia - haha, thats a very ethnic trait not just with them.
There you go bringing up another good point, re SMH financials, IF I was Prez I'd be very reluctant risking my secure financial position of the club and its members jumping into a high risk offer - am I better off staying stable secure in ready of opportunities that make far more sense and likely cost my Club far less.
Do your rough sums from the below :
A-League Men clubs have a mandatory $2.25 million minimum spending floor, with a new hard salary cap set to be $3 million plus one marquee player from the 2026-27 season. This new cap is an increase from the previous "soft cap" model that featured more exemptions. While the APL provides a $530,000 central distribution to clubs for the 2024/25 season, clubs must cover the majority of their operating expenses and player wages to meet the spending floor and new cap.

Why would you bother plus I'm sure it wouldn't be that cut and dried just sliding back into NPL1 as you mention due to the backlash originally and the unrest this would cause amongst members/supporter base.
You've created another vacuum of insecurity and angst.

WU out sure doesn't mean belly up but its added another nail, whats going to happen to the Bulls ? the Jets ? Roar sure isn't on stable grounding due to the hiding owners, CCM is an unkown Charlesworth as usual, PG ?
It sure isn't a very healthy business model and a small one at that.
 
LFC said:
WU out sure doesn't mean belly up but its added another nail, whats going to happen to the Bulls ? the Jets ? Roar sure isn't on stable grounding due to the hiding owners, CCM is an unkown Charlesworth as usual, PG ?
It sure isn't a very healthy business model and a small one at that.
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Well going forward APL now have the opportunity to pick and choose what they want from the championship in the same way the MLS scabs off the USL. So when the bulls fall over having the Wolves waltz in like what USL Championship teams – Orlando City SC, FC Cincinnati, and Nashville SC which are now MLS franchises. did could a strong possiblity
 
GDEATHE said:
Well going forward APL now have the opportunity to pick and choose what they want from the championship in the same way the MLS scabs off the USL. So when the bulls fall over having the Wolves waltz in like what USL Championship teams – Orlando City SC, FC Cincinnati, and Nashville SC which are now MLS franchises. did could a strong possiblity
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And that seems to be very successful
 
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