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General 2024/5 A League Men's thread

RIMB said:
Listening to Zadkovich's postgame interview after our last game he lists a few things that are pretty hard to manage around.

Among them was his comment that Henry Hore was given a transfer elsewhere to 'save a little bit of money'.

Looking across the issues and the years I would be looking at the owners as the one consistent rea$on why we chose to drop our academy. They do not want to spend as much as it takes and the club sounds now to be working to a budget like any proper business really should - regardless of whether the budget is sufficient to meet the purpose of the business. Personally I think that is madness - if you are in business to make money WTF are you doing running a football team?

Looking back, the owners took over the club with Ange in charge and they were reported to have said they wanted him to head their Indonesian football excellence academy - so the club was always a means to getting Ange for their bigger picture goals. Ange not having signed his contract put paid to that and they were then in possession of a club that did not have what they purchased it for and not the thoroughbred it appeared to be in the shop window.

Zadkovich has said many times recently that the sale of Waddingham brought in some money and allowed him to get Abubakar. It is a pretty clear message that the salary budget is locked in and winning or losing has no bearing on it.

Herrington is expected to be more money if/when he gets sold.

Not too much of a leap to consider the owners have now reconsidered spending on an academy like a factory to produce goods for sale. Standard business rule says got to spend money to make money.

I have a sad feeling that the near to mid future for Roar is going to see young players unearthed and immediately sold with a team that changes massively each season and mid-season and a lower half table finish to accompany it.

Finals football does not appear to be the owners current objective in any form - but to me that is one of the key requirements of supporters every season to consider the season a success.

Would any other manager be able to produce better results than Ruben under identical circumstances (same players and operating conditions/restrictions)? Who knows.
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Welcome to CCM’s world……
 
I get the impression that Sydney FC have already extended Talay weeks ago but are trying to soften the blow by not announcing it until everyone is less upset at how shit the season has been. Sure he made them a little bit of ACL2 dollars however overall from beginning to end it's been a one baffling tactical and personnel shitshow from start to finish.
 
Macarthur great crowd on the weekend. I dont care if WSW brought majority of them, Victory have done that for City for 15 years.

Brilliant crowd and hopefully gives them some momentum going into next season, where they will also be in asia.

A larger crowd than city and Western United on the weekend. Combined.
 
grazorblade said:
party because of how much crowds drop due to transit issues I believe

Also I was surprised at how expensive temporary stands can be (don't have a figure, maybe someone else does)
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I dont think transit issues are a concern at all. Its a great location.

Fair call on the temporary stands. Western United purchased theirs off the Grand Prix corporation who didnt want to ship them overseas. There will be ways of obtaining them.

Temporary stand the opposite side of the field to the existing stand, and then build a temporary deck/corporate environment in the right hand side corner of the pitch and they are away.
 
melbcityguy said:
aleagues.com.au

The future is here: Four A-Leagues clubs rank inside top 100 on global list

Young guns have been a shining light in 2024-25 as the Isuzu UTE A-League Finals Series begins and a quartet of clubs have been ranked from 65 global competitions.
aleagues.com.au aleagues.com.au
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before people think we are out of balance with playing too much youth here are rankings of some clubs in decent leagues that are above or around our clubs

ClubLeaguepercentage of u21 minutes
RC StrasbourgLigue 159.4%
RB SalzburgAustrian bundesliga55.3%
River PlateArgentina46.8%
LuzernSwiss46.7%
GroningenEredivisie46.6%
WesterloJupiler44.9%
HaugesundNorwegian Elitersaran44.0%
NordsjaellandDanish superliga42.2%
Cercle BruggeJupiler41.6%
NurnbergEredivisie40.1%
BarcalonaLa Liga38.3%
StokeChampionship37.7%
NorrKopingSweden47.7%
HeerenveenEredivisie37.2%
HackenSweden36.4%
Lechia GdanskPoland36.2%
Adelaide UnitedA League36.0%
Kristiansund BkNorway35.9%
BrommaojkarnaSweden35.8%
BaselSwitzerland34.8%
Sturm GrazAustria34.8%
GenkBelgium34.3%
PauLigue 233.8%
MidtjyllandDenmark33.7%
Western UnitedA League33.7%
Chicago FireMLS33.3%
MontrealMLS32.5%
AjaxEredivisie32.4%
Az AlkmaarEredivisie32.2%
Aalborg BKDenmark31.7%
TroyesLigue 231.2%
Djugardens IFSweden30.6%
Melbourne CityA league30.4%
Central Coast MarinersA league30.1%

Note that 3 of the teams that made this list are making the finals so it doesn't appear to be a case where playing youth will kill the quality. Just to check, the rest of the a league clubs


Wellington PheonixA league28.6%
Sydney fcA league20.7%
Melbourne VictoryA League20.7%
Brisbane RoarA league20.7%
Perth GloryA league20.5%
MacarthurA league19.1%
Western SydneyA league18.0%
Newcastle JetsA league14.2%
Auckland FCA league0.3%

Now is there a correlation between youth minutes and results? You tell meScreenshot 2025-05-08 at 14.44.45.png
For those curious there is a very weak negative relationship, but it is very weak. So I'm skeptical there is much of a tradeoff between youth development and quality (and probably less of a tradeoff if the season is longer)
 
Looking at the entire league we gave 22.5% of minutes to u21

this compares to 20.8% in the eredivisie and 21.7% in the Jupiler league meaning we are currently bang on in balance with higher quality development leagues

however we are still behind similar quality development leagues in the beligum second division which gives 25.7% of minutes to u21s and the ereste divisie which gives 28% of minutes
 
Who do you think breaks out next year?

Younis' year in the ereste divisie looks pretty similar to segecic last year
 
grazorblade said:
before people think we are out of balance with playing too much youth here are rankings of some clubs in decent leagues that are above or around our clubs

ClubLeaguepercentage of u21 minutes
RC StrasbourgLigue 159.4%
RB SalzburgAustrian bundesliga55.3%
River PlateArgentina46.8%
LuzernSwiss46.7%
GroningenEredivisie46.6%
WesterloJupiler44.9%
HaugesundNorwegian Elitersaran44.0%
NordsjaellandDanish superliga42.2%
Cercle BruggeJupiler41.6%
NurnbergEredivisie40.1%
BarcalonaLa Liga38.3%
StokeChampionship37.7%
NorrKopingSweden47.7%
HeerenveenEredivisie37.2%
HackenSweden36.4%
Lechia GdanskPoland36.2%
Adelaide UnitedA League36.0%
Kristiansund BkNorway35.9%
BrommaojkarnaSweden35.8%
BaselSwitzerland34.8%
Sturm GrazAustria34.8%
GenkBelgium34.3%
PauLigue 233.8%
MidtjyllandDenmark33.7%
Western UnitedA League33.7%
Chicago FireMLS33.3%
MontrealMLS32.5%
AjaxEredivisie32.4%
Az AlkmaarEredivisie32.2%
Aalborg BKDenmark31.7%
TroyesLigue 231.2%
Djugardens IFSweden30.6%
Melbourne CityA league30.4%
Central Coast MarinersA league30.1%

Note that 3 of the teams that made this list are making the finals so it doesn't appear to be a case where playing youth will kill the quality. Just to check, the rest of the a league clubs


Wellington PheonixA league28.6%
Sydney fcA league20.7%
Melbourne VictoryA League20.7%
Brisbane RoarA league20.7%
Perth GloryA league20.5%
MacarthurA league19.1%
Western SydneyA league18.0%
Newcastle JetsA league14.2%
Auckland FCA league0.3%

Now is there a correlation between youth minutes and results? You tell meView attachment 1841
For those curious there is a very weak negative relationship, but it is very weak. So I'm skeptical there is much of a tradeoff between youth development and quality (and probably less of a tradeoff if the season is longer)
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I think the balance is fine especially where the aleague is in financially.

Overall it’s the right direction, so I’m not sure why the skeptics are complaining about unless they want the league to go back to a retirement league lol.
 
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