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WhatAmIWatching said:
As long as there is a minimum number of games e.g. 10 games or 15.

A few NPL coaches have been given A-League opportunities - Rudan comes to mind and the Jets had a bloke whose name I can't remember.

Part of the reason why clubs are reluctant to give NPL coaches a try is that the players need to respect the coach, and a higher profile A-League player will pip a faceless NPL coach. But if they get a gig as an assistant coach (Rudan) then opportunities open.
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Rudan played in the a league
 
LFC said:
I’m was baffled he got a coaching gig in the first place
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At best a joke, at worst borderline-criminal that he’s where he is ATM. There’d have to be any number of affordable foreign managers out there who’d put him to shame and then some, but Roar obv settled for someone who “knows the league already”(chickensh1t line of reasoning, IMHO)..😔
 
IIRC Zadkovitch was promoted when the then newly appointed coach, Ben Cahn, had to step aside for health reasons. Originally it was going to be temporarily but once Cahn's diagnosis became more dire, Zad's appointment became permanent for continuity reasons. I thought that Zad had done a reasonable job at PG but then for officially unknown reasons he was sacked.
As for Roar the problem is not just Zad - it's the squad. O'Shea should have scored or at the very least force a save twice. Warland is just a brute on the field with little skills. Zavala well he has already peaked and won't improve nor teach the younger players anything. Over at PG Zdrilic is in the same boat. And any coach will struggle. The path is to have a decent youth academy, some useful A-League stalwarts and complemented by skilled overseas players.
Unfortunately for BR & PG their youth academies are below par. It took Melbourne City approximately 7 seasons to have the physical and human infrastructure to create a good academy. CCM & AU have been doing it for longer. Sydney FC is catching up. MVC is just starting to get off the ground. The rest are just making the numbers.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
IIRC Zadkovitch was promoted when the then newly appointed coach, Ben Cahn, had to step aside for health reasons. Originally it was going to be temporarily but once Cahn's diagnosis became more dire, Zad's appointment became permanent for continuity reasons. I thought that Zad had done a reasonable job at PG but then for officially unknown reasons he was sacked.
As for Roar the problem is not just Zad - it's the squad. O'Shea should have scored or at the very least force a save twice. Warland is just a brute on the field with little skills. Zavala well he has already peaked and won't improve nor teach the younger players anything. Over at PG Zdrilic is in the same boat. And any coach will struggle. The path is to have a decent youth academy, some useful A-League stalwarts and complemented by skilled overseas players.
Unfortunately for BR & PG their youth academies are below par. It took Melbourne City approximately 7 seasons to have the physical and human infrastructure to create a good academy. CCM & AU have been doing it for longer. Sydney FC is catching up. MVC is just starting to get off the ground. The rest are just making the numbers.
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Am I mistaken in think the roar and Perth are the only teams to not have underage teams down to at least u13s?
 
petszk said:
All time coaching record for A-League coaches.

ALeague Stats

aleaguestats.com

Kisnorbo is 2nd out of 80
Zadkovich is 68th out of 80

NB: Dzrillic has only been in charge for 9 games so far. He will appear on the list after the next Perth Glory match. Currently he'd be 68th and Zadkovich would bump down to 69th.


NB2: Would people prefer to see the rating as PPG (Points per game; basically a value between 0.0000 and 3.0000) or simply win % (with draws counting as half a win)?
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Both 🤙
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
As long as there is a minimum number of games e.g. 10 games or 15.

A few NPL coaches have been given A-League opportunities - Rudan comes to mind and the Jets had a bloke whose name I can't remember.

Part of the reason why clubs are reluctant to give NPL coaches a try is that the players need to respect the coach, and a higher profile A-League player will pip a faceless NPL coach. But if they get a gig as an assistant coach (Rudan) then opportunities open.
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how do you know this in bold ?

Hey Sutho if you come back in here - you neglected your fav SFC - Arnie, he was a striker as well :)
 
grazorblade said:
Am I mistaken in think the roar and Perth are the only teams to not have underage teams down to at least u13s?
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I never understood why they did this, total opposite to clubs like Sydney fc, Melb city who are bringing young players through their own academies.
 
Carl Veart was a striker.
That being said, Adelaide haven't exactly had a great defensive record with him in charge. Attacking record is great though.
 
LFC said:
how do you know this in bold ?

Hey Sutho if you come back in here - you neglected your fav SFC - Arnie, he was a striker as well :)
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And one I prefer to forget, Frank Farina. John Kosmina is another, as is David Mitchell, who was not very good.
 
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LFC said:
how do you know this in bold ?

Hey Sutho if you come back in here - you neglected your fav SFC - Arnie, he was a striker as well :)
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Youngest brother was involved with two NPL clubs. Back then it was talked about. Coaches that had not played at a higher level (or at least at the same level) were often criticised (I would say smeared) because players kept on saying what would he know. Although, it may have been just the club culture.
Also, if you want a snapshot of contempt, somewhere there is a photo of Kew Jaliens (Melb. City after being sacked from the Jets) strutting past Phil Stubbins, the Jets coach, who had sacked him. Phil Stubbins A-League career ended at season's end IIRC.
 
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Sutherlandbear said:
And one I prefer to forget, Frank Farina. John Kosmina is another, as is David Mitchell, who was not very good.
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ah yes - we both have memory lapses good after thoughts.
Ol Mitch, I played against him after his pro retirement in our local league, man he was a man mountain - good bloke, he had put in the local area coaching for some years for Jnr's and helping the Club he played for good on him.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
Youngest brother was involved with two NPL clubs. Back then it was talked about. Coaches that had not played at a higher level (or at least at the same level) were often criticised (I would say smeared) because players kept on saying what would he know. Although, it may have been just the club culture.
Also, if you want a snapshot of contempt, somewhere there is a photo of Kew Jaliens (Melb. City after being sacked from the Jets) strutting past Phil Stubbins, the Jets coach, who had sacked him. Phil Stubbins A-League career ended at season's end IIRC.
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ah ok, sure I get that train of thought, part of the prob lacking respect between the 2 levels which is wrong.
Could be club culture as well but having been around alot of NPL myself and the APL academy teams you can/could see the lack of respect from the pro side of life.
 
Interested in the trajectory and career progress of Giancarlo Italiano. If we're going down the route of local coaches for the National Team, he is one manager who I've been quietly impressed with. His ability to adapt and change in game is something Arnie and Popa have struggled with and would serve the NT well.
 
Well let’s see how and where he is in a few more seasons - still a baby talking NT levels
 
In the early days of Craig Foster's tenure as a football analyst on lil'ol2%SBS Les Murray and Johnny Warren would frown collectively if, in various discussions Fozzie called a club coach a 'manager'....

Why?

Because he was using the British vernacular of manager instead of coach which most of the rest of the football world uses.

In one segment Fozz said Terry Venables was the best 'manager' he ever worked under and one of the best 'manager's' in the game. Johnny nearly had a fucken coronary on-screen and Les's face was two shades darker than purple.

Mind within 5 years of TWG Fozz had been groomed by the gyppo's and was hating on British 'manager's' like a Guardian reading leftie hates on Israeli's....
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
As long as there is a minimum number of games e.g. 10 games or 15.

A few NPL coaches have been given A-League opportunities - Rudan comes to mind and the Jets had a bloke whose name I can't remember.

Part of the reason why clubs are reluctant to give NPL coaches a try is that the players need to respect the coach, and a higher profile A-League player will pip a faceless NPL coach. But if they get a gig as an assistant coach (Rudan) then opportunities open.
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Arthur Papas, who has had good results abroad but didn’t get good results at Newcastle for various reasons out of his control mostly.
 
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