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Socceroos 11 in March WC

We're that stacked in midfield. Different roles of course. Watch Nisbet come on in the Indonesia game. His immediate movement into spaces changed so much.

It just sucks we won't get to see him. Such a great football brain and those small moments matter. Our other players seemed to hug their marker.

He won't be picked and has had his own issues but someone like Silvera didn't more in attack than many others. Velupillay is the unassuming exciting member.

I like Borrello but he's not in the 26 for me.
 
If Bruno does it for Australia I'll be happy but I fear it's going to be a team of the old unreliables and stages of the game will be that crazy headless chicken stuff.
 
People are seriously talking Thurgate when we have Balard, Triantis, Robertson, Nisbet... even Luongo, O'Neill, Devlin, Nieuwenhof, Irvine...

Thurgate's had a good season but there are so many better players ahead of him. I'd pick Segecic or even Okon-Engstler (for the future) ahead of Thurgate.
 
People are seriously talking Thurgate when we have Balard, Triantis, Robertson, Nisbet... even Luongo, O'Neill, Devlin, Nieuwenhof, Irvine...

Thurgate's had a good season but there are so many better players ahead of him. I'd pick Segecic or even Okon-Engstler (for the future) ahead of Thurgate.
Exactly that. Thurgate is a very good player but we have so many other options who need to get the games. Then it ends up being Irvine, Baccus, Brattan and Caceres.
 
Exactly that. Thurgate is a very good player but we have so many other options who need to get the games. Then it ends up being Irvine, Baccus, Brattan and Caceres.
In Australia I'd pick Teague ahead of Thurgate. That's before even considering the quality o/s players. We're stacked there. And all that's very unfair on Thurgate who is an excellent player.
 
I can't see the likes of Tiantis or Balard getting much of a go in midfield, let alone the likes of Angus Thurgate. In theory I believe Angus would need to reinvent himself to plug holes in a different positions to make the squad.
He started as a striker/winger and has good distribution from our wide so believe he would be capable of filling such a role.
Jake Hollman would be my pick for a utility role though, he is a bit more dynamic.
 
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I can't see the likes of Tiantis or Balard getting much of a go in midfield, let alone the likes of Angus Thurgate. In theory I believe Angus would need to reinvent himself to plug holes in a different positions to make the squad.
He started as a striker/winger and has good distribution from our wide so believe he would be capable of filling such a role.
Jake Hollman would be my pick for a utility role though, he is a bit more dynamic.
I'm a big fan of Hollman. Again it's the issue of Irvine being given 90mins every time that we never learn how the others could fit it and they'll need to one day.
 
Any thoughts on if Volpato would consider a callup this time? Realistically he wont make Italy, would be silly to keep rejecting.
It seems very unlikely currently. All you'd need is a moment of magic and all is forgiven. Fact is he's better than a lot of the deadwood on one leg.

We have depth but it's still a quantity issue at times.
 
Any thoughts on if Volpato would consider a callup this time? Realistically he wont make Italy, would be silly to keep rejecting.
Would love to know if he has connections

Seems ideally suited to poppas system, unlike irankunda who is perhaps a better player but would do better in a 433
 
Would love to know if he has connections

Seems ideally suited to poppas system, unlike irankunda who is perhaps a better player but would do better in a 433
When Hrustic was put into that inside right forward role I thought geez this would be good for Volpato. It'd also suit Chipperfield.
 
It seems very unlikely currently. All you'd need is a moment of magic and all is forgiven. Fact is he's better than a lot of the deadwood on one leg.

We have depth but it's still a quantity issue at times.
Without McGree, and with Hrustics form issues, Nisbet is really our only natural AM left. Volpato would be handy, Chipperfield too. We need to tie down some of our dual nationals.
 
I've only seen a few highlights of Volpato and thought it was pretty meh.

He also seems to be struggling for game time... is he really worth persisting with over someone like Nisbet who desperately wants to play for us?
 
I've only seen a few highlights of Volpato and thought it was pretty meh.

He also seems to be struggling for game time... is he really worth persisting with over someone like Nisbet who desperately wants to play for us?
Depends who you compare him to

He was motm today for the top team in seri b

Mcgree is playing for a similar quality but always injured and beyond him and Goodwin there is a pretty big drop off
 
It'd be good to see some strategy around transitioning in some of our promising players and tieing down our dual nationals. It always seems so ad hoc and reactive.
 
Good player. It's really were just so stacked in midfield it's hard fit them in let alone play them.

We came off with minimal damage but using a starting spot for Brattan shows anything is possible.

Carceres was warranted but had a horrible time Bahrain away yet Matthews didn't put a foot wrong for an ME away debut. Unlucky header. Souttar had to scream to leave it and he clears it.

For me the issue has been sticking with the old guard which limits our exposure and innovation and then we get caught short when the new players do come in.

Someone like Leckie really doesn't need to be considered anymore. Behich and Irvine have blocked off better players for years. O'Neill was a one hit wonder but does a lot people don't see. I reckon Thurgate would be a revelation if started over Irvine.

We tend to see the new players through a different lense. Irvine is good for the squad but shouldn't be guaranteed a start. Only then might he sharpen up but he's technically woeful.
JS, I'm going to be critical of this take. And it seems a lot of posts hold a similar view I disagree with. I found the previous Popa press conference quite interesting. Basically, do you want to be selected over the 50 cap incumbent? Kick down the fucking door and you will be.


There was also mention of Garang or Okon Junior. These kids are still playing against kids. I love the talent, but for FM only, not for must win WCQs. I appreciate the old enough, good enough argument. But even Harry Kewell was picked after having cracked the Leeds first team in the PL. I don't see these are really comparable.

Irvine is a 70 cap socceroo who is an automatic selection for his side in the Bundesliga. There isn't an Australian squad in history he wouldn't warrant selection for or be in contention to start. He has absolutely had some poor games, but would any of the other players suggested be likely to perform better given they play at a lower standard? On their day anything is possible, but I wouldn't consider it likely.

Of Irvine, Ballard, Triantis and Nisbett, it seems most people here would leave Irvine out for two of those other guys. Irvine has done it for 10 years as a starter in Europe and this season made the step up a division to a big 5 league. These guys have one season playing well in Europe for smaller clubs in smaller leagues. If they were doing this at a bigger club in a bigger league I could understand the sentiment more. But none of these guys are kicking in the door demanding to take the starting spot. They are putting together solid first seasons in Europe and should be considered to hopefully integrate into the squad and take an opportunity if it arises.

Similarly Leckie is another 70 caps. Slightly different case, slightly older, could still be in Europe but came home and played well in Aliga. If he is fit and playing well for City he is an automatic squad selection, potentially starting. There is a lot of value in the experience and having been there and done it. Is Irankunda a better selection? Maybe, the talent is there, but has he kicked in the door? Has he been elite for Grasshoppers?

From the article:
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9 starts in a league that is a small step up from Aliga. Subbed off every match, 3 assists. I've not watched the matches, from all reports he has been quite good, but hardly a big sample, just a good, solid start to his season there. But probably not 'Elite'.
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This is not to say picking any of these guys is the wrong choice, but I wanted to push back a bit as there seems to be the idea that some of these guys would obviously be an improvement on what we have seen to date or are obviously better players. Best case they are playing week in at equivalent levels, or lower levels, so it isn't clear they would come in an perform at higher levels than the incumbents.
 
JS, I'm going to be critical of this take. And it seems a lot of posts hold a similar view I disagree with. I found the previous Popa press conference quite interesting. Basically, do you want to be selected over the 50 cap incumbent? Kick down the fucking door and you will be.


There was also mention of Garang or Okon Junior. These kids are still playing against kids. I love the talent, but for FM only, not for must win WCQs. I appreciate the old enough, good enough argument. But even Harry Kewell was picked after having cracked the Leeds first team in the PL. I don't see these are really comparable.

Irvine is a 70 cap socceroo who is an automatic selection for his side in the Bundesliga. There isn't an Australian squad in history he wouldn't warrant selection for or be in contention to start. He has absolutely had some poor games, but would any of the other players suggested be likely to perform better given they play at a lower standard? On their day anything is possible, but I wouldn't consider it likely.

Of Irvine, Ballard, Triantis and Nisbett, it seems most people here would leave Irvine out for two of those other guys. Irvine has done it for 10 years as a starter in Europe and this season made the step up a division to a big 5 league. These guys have one season playing well in Europe for smaller clubs in smaller leagues. If they were doing this at a bigger club in a bigger league I could understand the sentiment more. But none of these guys are kicking in the door demanding to take the starting spot. They are putting together solid first seasons in Europe and should be considered to hopefully integrate into the squad and take an opportunity if it arises.

Similarly Leckie is another 70 caps. Slightly different case, slightly older, could still be in Europe but came home and played well in Aliga. If he is fit and playing well for City he is an automatic squad selection, potentially starting. There is a lot of value in the experience and having been there and done it. Is Irankunda a better selection? Maybe, the talent is there, but has he kicked in the door? Has he been elite for Grasshoppers?

From the article:
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9 starts in a league that is a small step up from Aliga. Subbed off every match, 3 assists. I've not watched the matches, from all reports he has been quite good, but hardly a big sample, just a good, solid start to his season there. But probably not 'Elite'.
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This is not to say picking any of these guys is the wrong choice, but I wanted to push back a bit as there seems to be the idea that some of these guys would obviously be an improvement on what we have seen to date or are obviously better players. Best case they are playing week in at equivalent levels, or lower levels, so it isn't clear they would come in an perform at higher levels than the incumbents.
Firstly, I very much appreciate the post and further adding to the conversation.

I agree that crucial WCQs aren't the place to rely on a still developing player to all of a sudden make his mark on the global stage when he hasn't even nailed down a first team spot. I do however think that as a nation that seems to value 'hard work' over out and out individual talent, sometimes room needs to be found within a squad as a different set of tools to what is already in the tool kit.

Sometimes you have to pick a player based on current form and the example of Triantis is exactly that.

I'm not sure which European club you think a 34 year old Leckie could play for at this point?? We have better players, playing in better leagues, in better form. Again I think it's that simple on that front.

And while I can partly agree with Popa's sentiment with the included quote, if his logic equates to picking a past it Brattan to start a crucial WCQ away v Japan or any other of his senseless selections then I'm not buying it. Irankunda is more or less averaging a score contribution in every game since he joined Grasshoppers and since I've been following the NT scoring has been our biggest issue. But hey maybe Mitch Duke might still yet come good ;)
 
I simply can't see how Triantis is not selected.

Having said that, nothing about Popa's record since that first Wanderer's season fills me with confidence in either his selections or strategies. I hope to be proven wrong.
 
Firstly, I very much appreciate the post and further adding to the conversation.

I agree that crucial WCQs aren't the place to rely on a still developing player to all of a sudden make his mark on the global stage when he hasn't even nailed down a first team spot. I do however think that as a nation that seems to value 'hard work' over out and out individual talent, sometimes room needs to be found within a squad as a different set of tools to what is already in the tool kit.

Sometimes you have to pick a player based on current form and the example of Triantis is exactly that.

I'm not sure which European club you think a 34 year old Leckie could play for at this point?? We have better players, playing in better leagues, in better form. Again I think it's that simple on that front.

And while I can partly agree with Popa's sentiment with the included quote, if his logic equates to picking a past it Brattan to start a crucial WCQ away v Japan or any other of his senseless selections then I'm not buying it. Irankunda is more or less averaging a score contribution in every game since he joined Grasshoppers and since I've been following the NT scoring has been our biggest issue. But hey maybe Mitch Duke might still yet come good ;)
Fully agree with you. When Poppa made that statement, I thought it was a meh statement because which coach wouldn't say that? And of course his inconsistency has demonstrated that he does not believe that. Far more credible would be to say that he has a formation in mind and some players are just not suited to that formation. The second point would be that given the injury woes the NT is suffering, not developing players at all has been detrimental as the options have continually narrowed. The third point, when has Australia blooded that many young talents during friendlies? Right now, given that the U20 have won the Asian Championship ride the momentum and bring some players in.
 
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