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With the high standard of play in the A-League, why are the crowds so low?

Sharkman84 said:
The other issue is state representation.

If pro/rel was in place and a club like Adelaide United or Brisbane were relegated that would leave the entire state of South Australia or Queensland without a top flight club.
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In an attempt at a serious answer, this is the one excuse I cant fathom.... Why would Adelaide NOT have a top flight club if United were relegated? In a true football pyramid the fans would still have a team to go and support.... it would just be in a second division trying to get promoted back up.

I mean 99% of the football world has countless examples of, often rather large cities/regions, where the football team spends decades outside of the top tier yet still manages to represent the region and strives to get promoted... Do people in Leeds for example just stop following football for decades at time? or people in Berlin? Do people really just follow a club in the ALegaue because they have been told it represents their whole state or region like Western United?
 
Sutherlandbear said:
You let your league die, perhaps if you were up for it, it may still be alive.
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Yeah , nah.... lets not be revisionist here.. The league may very well have died a slow strangulating death (helped on by a profiteering, vindictive prick) but the CLUBS did do their best to survive and are still mainly alive... 20 years in the state leagues yet South v Preston will draw a better crowd than ALL of Western United and McArthur matches in the Aleague on Sunday...

You can blame OUR clubs all you like but they were/are "up for it", the reasons why the new dawn decided not to engage with the NSL are sort of similar to why the original Aleague buzz has died down now....
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
In an attempt at a serious answer, this is the one excuse I cant fathom.... Why would Adelaide NOT have a top flight club if United were relegated? In a true football pyramid the fans would still have a team to go and support.... it would just be in a second division trying to get promoted back up.

I mean 99% of the football world has countless examples of, often rather large cities/regions, where the football team spends decades outside of the top tier yet still manages to represent the region and strives to get promoted... Do people in Leeds for example just stop following football for decades at time? or people in Berlin? Do people really just follow a club in the ALegaue because they have been told it represents their whole state or region like Western United?
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You obviously know fuck all about Australian sport if you can spout that twaddle.

Newsflash for you mate, this isn't Europe where football is the be all end all.

This is a country where the game is third or fourth choice behind cricket, AFL and rugby league as far as spectator sports go.

Go and watch a second grade game in any of those sports and tell me what the crowd figures are.

It'd be just as bad if not worse for football.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Yeah , nah.... lets not be revisionist here.. The league may very well have died a slow strangulating death (helped on by a profiteering, vindictive prick) but the CLUBS did do their best to survive and are still mainly alive... 20 years in the state leagues yet South v Preston will draw a better crowd than ALL of Western United and McArthur matches in the Aleague on Sunday...

You can blame OUR clubs all you like but they were/are "up for it", the reasons why the new dawn decided not to engage with the NSL are sort of similar to why the original Aleague buzz has died down now....
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Revisionist bs.

AL crowds are down thanks to Covid and the media's hatchet job on the police shame file nearly a decade ago.

The league never recovered from the late Bourbon Bec hatchet job.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
Also when the VFL went national, they double crossed the SA twice and the WAFL seeing the writing in the wall came along. The old VFL approached the SAFL to merge which was rejected. the VFL then went to Port Adelaide who basically won every year to join and they accepted. the SAFL realising that without Port, they would disappear then approached the VFL with the Adelaide Crows concept to which the VFL accepted and told Port to take a hike. The WAFL then decided to create the WCE to join the AFL. Note that although SA & WA could have fielded two or more teams (Port Adelaide and Fremantle respectively) they chose to remain a one team town until the AFL was bedded down.
So how does this apply to the A-League? Well the A-League excluded the existing state organisations whereas the VFL absorbed them.
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A good history lesson.
 
Sharkman84 said:
You obviously know fuck all about Australian sport if you can spout that twaddle.

Newsflash for you mate, this isn't Europe where football is the be all end all.

This is a country where the game is third or fourth choice behind cricket, AFL and rugby league as far as spectator sports go.

Go and watch a second grade game in any of those sports and tell me what the crowd figures are.

It'd be just as bad if not worse for football.
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Yeah your probably right I know fuck all about Australian sport.... Probably best we dont strive for football to be the be all and end all ....

Best to keep the Aleague seperate from the rest of the Australian clubs for this very reason.... Hope your crowds improve over time, the investors might start getting antsy if they dont...
 
Sharkman84 said:
Are you really that thick or do you just enjoy stirring the pot?
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???

What? Isnt that what you just posted? Crowds are down because of some journo that has since died and a global pandemic that saw ALL sport crowds tank and yet also recover in the years since.... apart from Aleague of course which is unique?
Sharkman84 said:
Revisionist bs.

AL crowds are down thanks to Covid and the media's hatchet job on the police shame file nearly a decade ago.

The league never recovered from the late Bourbon Bec hatchet job.
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Monoethnic Social Club said:
Yeah your probably right I know fuck all about Australian sport.... Probably best we dont strive for football to be the be all and end all ....

Best to keep the Aleague seperate from the rest of the Australian clubs for this very reason.... Hope your crowds improve over time, the investors might start getting antsy if they dont...
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Thing is it will never be the be all and end all in this country.

Even with mass immigration the game has never risen to challenge the big three sports in this country.

At the end of the day it won't matter if it's the AL or those European nationalist social clubs the game will never be No. 1 purely because Australians are used to going to watch sports where we can see the best in the world in our own backyard every weekend.

Unfortunately football will never be able to offer that.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Yeah , nah.... lets not be revisionist here.. The league may very well have died a slow strangulating death (helped on by a profiteering, vindictive prick) but the CLUBS did do their best to survive and are still mainly alive... 20 years in the state leagues yet South v Preston will draw a better crowd than ALL of Western United and McArthur matches in the Aleague on Sunday...

You can blame OUR clubs all you like but they were/are "up for it", the reasons why the new dawn decided not to engage with the NSL are sort of similar to why the original Aleague buzz has died down now....
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The supporters should have tried harder to keep your league alive. Apart from America, where else in the world would this have been allowed to happen?
 
Sharkman84 said:
You obviously know fuck all about Australian sport if you can spout that twaddle.

Newsflash for you mate, this isn't Europe where football is the be all end all.

This is a country where the game is third or fourth choice behind cricket, AFL and rugby league as far as spectator sports go.

Go and watch a second grade game in any of those sports and tell me what the crowd figures are.

It'd be just as bad if not worse for football.
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This from the "braintrust" that thinks football in this country started in 2005!
 
Sharkman84 said:
Rubbish.

Been a fan of the game since the early 90's turbo.
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Im sure you have... i remember you, pretty sure you were the one holdng the "death to the nsl banner"!

Way too many effniks for you to have been involved then without breaking out in hives, so highly doubt it, ill stick to my original call about 2005, its more on the money!!
 
Sharkman84 said:
Thing is it will never be the be all and end all in this country.

Even with mass immigration the game has never risen to challenge the big three sports in this country.

At the end of the day it won't matter if it's the AL or those European nationalist social clubs the game will never be No. 1 purely because Australians are used to going to watch sports where we can see the best in the world in our own backyard every weekend.

Unfortunately football will never be able to offer that.
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love your optimism...
 
Hellenic_blue&white said:
Im sure you have... i remember you, pretty sure you were the one holdng the "death to the nsl banner"!

Way too many effniks for you to have been involved then without breaking out in hives, so highly doubt it, ill stick to my original call about 2005, its more on the money!!
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A bit early on the turps aren't you old son?

Been a football fan since 1996 albeit the English Premier League (been a Leeds fan since the George Graham era).

Had a passing interest in the NSL when one played in my local area but when they left my interest in it went with it.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
The supporters should have tried harder to keep your league alive. Apart from America, where else in the world would this have been allowed to happen?
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No argument there whatsoever..... Didnt help that a large segment of the population didnt want to go and watch matches because they couldn't stand their fellow Australians having a foreign identity.
 
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