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[Muz]

So apparently Russian truck drivers were contracted, on false pretences, to deliver these drones and drop them off.

All the 'arrests' so far have been of Russian truck drivers who had no idea what they were doing.

 

[erogenouszone]

So apparently Russian truck drivers were contracted, on false pretences, to deliver these drones and drop them off.

All the 'arrests' so far have been of Russian truck drivers who had no idea what they were doing.

Sounds like a very decent intelligence operation then.

 

[tsf]

So apparently Russian truck drivers were contracted, on false pretences, to deliver these drones and drop them off.

All the 'arrests' so far have been of Russian truck drivers who had no idea what they were doing.

Did they ever get the bottom of the Wagner fellas getting blown out the air (along with innocent airline staff). I mean they did have that official kremlin story at one point that they were snorting coke and playing with hand grenades lol

maybe it was the same people involved

 

[Noosa Lion]

Now that the dust is starting to settle (literally) on the Ukrainian 'Spider's Web' drone bombing of these Russia's Air Force assets, the recklessness of the operation is really starting to emerge.

It's obvious that this operation was 'helped along' by external forces, most likely French or British military intelligence. My money is probably on the British. MI6's finger prints are all over this war. And while the French are sneaky they're not this sneaky.

The military planes attacked were mostly Soviet era bombers, reasonably good pieces of kit which had obviously been modernised but not great. Capable of launching nuclear weapons, yes, but certainly not sophisticated enough to do mass damage to your Western European nations, if required to do so. Now, all Russia will do is replace this hardware with new technological advanced military aeroplanes. Probably constructed in China who will only be pleased to provide financial assistance to pay for the deal.

This new technology will only improve the long term capabilities of Russian Air Force attacks if and when they decide to further develop their incursions into their former Soviet states and beyond.

In conclusion, by facilitating the Ukranian 'Spider's Web' attacks on Russia's old military planes, NATO has inadvertently improved the long term viability of Russian advancement, particularly in terms of air attacks.

Reckless indeed.

 

[tsf]

weird that the Russians are losing their minds over a bunch of 'soviet era relics' getting turned to dust....

maybe just maybe that the latest russian bot propaganda is some face-saving attempt

Anyone with basic military knowledge knows russia got embarrassed and fucked.

 

[Noosa Lion]

Anyone with basic military knowledge knows russia got embarrassed and fucked.

On the surface yes, but it will just harden their stance. The Russian mindset is not inclined to be taken advantage of in such humiliating circumstances. Nobody should want escalation but this is what we're going to get

As for the planes destroyed in the attacks, 8 of which were Tupolev Tu-95 bombers, which have been in use for several decades. There are other, more modern varients around but the ones left out in the open were pretty old bits of kit.

Russian Air Force pilots will probably be rather happy at the outcomes, the Tu-95 was uncomfortable to operate, especially during the routine 10-hour exercises or missions.

 

[tsf]

but it will just harden their stance.

So, don't attack them as a means of defending your nation in case you upset them and they...they...attack you more?

Russia has already shown it's incredibly weaker than they pretended. The amount of red lines they keep drawing are so far in the distance behind us we can't see the beginning anymore.

The russian pilots can be happy for the next twenty years while they wait for their new plane to get made

 

[Muz]

So, don't attack them as a means of defending your nation in case you upset them and they...they...attack you more?

Russia has already shown it's incredibly weaker than they pretended. The amount of red lines they keep drawing are so far in the distance behind us we can't see the beginning anymore.

The russian pilots can be happy for the next twenty years while they wait for their new plane to get made

Trump said they have no cards to play. The Ukranian defence minister said after the attack the US thinks we are like lambs on the top of the hill waiting to be rescued from slaughter or something like that.

The point of attacking them, besides showing Russia they could hit them anywhere, was to show that yes indeed, they do have cards to play.

The attack on the bridge was pretty clever too. By all accounts not much damage but again the point is they literally snuck in under their noses and planted 1100 kgs on a major artery which should be better protected.

 

[Noosa Lion]

So, don't attack them as a means of defending your nation in case you upset them and they...they...attack you more?

It will harden their stance not to find a diplomatic solution to this war. Probably should have been more specific.

The russian pilots can be happy for the next twenty years while they wait for their new plane to get made

Russian military primary and secondary suppliers are generally themselves, China, India, Iran and North Korea.

Aeroplanes replacement times?

20 years is probably an over exaggeration.

12-18 months more likely. Maybe sooner if they are being manufactured in China who can supply at industrial sized levels with remarkably quick supply times. Particularly if someone else has already done the design stage.

Russia themselves are the main supplier of major arms to many countries including India, China, Algeria, and Kazakhstan and Russian arms manufacturers are some of the most adept in the world.

 

[Muz]

Now that the dust is starting to settle (literally) on the Ukrainian 'Spider's Web' drone bombing of these Russia's Air Force assets, the recklessness of the operation is really starting to emerge.

It's obvious that this operation was 'helped along' by external forces, most likely French or British military intelligence. My money is probably on the British. MI6's finger prints are all over this war. And while the French are sneaky they're not this sneaky.

The military planes attacked were mostly Soviet era bombers, reasonably good pieces of kit which had obviously been modernised but not great. Capable of launching nuclear weapons, yes, but certainly not sophisticated enough to do mass damage to your Western European nations, if required to do so. Now, all Russia will do is replace this hardware with new technological advanced military aeroplanes. Probably constructed in China who will only be pleased to provide financial assistance to pay for the deal.

This new technology will only improve the long term capabilities of Russian Air Force attacks if and when they decide to further develop their incursions into their former Soviet states and beyond.

In conclusion, by facilitating the Ukranian 'Spider's Web' attacks on Russia's old military planes, NATO has inadvertently improved the long term viability of Russian advancement, particularly in terms of air attacks.

Reckless indeed.

So they should have done nothing?

I understand you shouldn't poke the bear but what's Ukraine to do? Sit there and just keep getting bombed or go on the front foot and try and take the initiative and force the issue.

Also you say MI6 is involved. Why? What makes this something the MI6 would do? Any source for that? You seem rather confident. I'm not saying they weren't but a statement like that needs some of corroborating evidence.

 

[Muz]

So, don't attack them as a means of defending your nation in case you upset them and they...they...attack you more?

Russia has already shown it's incredibly weaker than they pretended. The amount of red lines they keep drawing are so far in the distance behind us we can't see the beginning anymore.

The russian pilots can be happy for the next twenty years while they wait for their new plane to get made

Massive traffic jams in Russia at he moment because every truck has to be inspected.

 

[Noosa Lion]

The point of attacking them, besides showing Russia they could hit them anywhere, was to show that yes indeed, they do have cards to play.

Good point. Agree with you there. It's a little bit like Israel's 'Operation Days of Repentance' attacks on Iranian military installations in October. A 'caveman' approach to showing them how you can conduct precision attacks on certain military sites with disruption being the main goal but probably not something that can win you an actual war.

 

[Noosa Lion]

So they should have done nothing?

I understand you shouldn't poke the bear but what's Ukraine to do? Sit there and just keep getting bombed or go on the front foot and try and take the initiative and force the issue.

Also you say MI6 is involved. Why? What makes this something the MI6 would do? Any source for that? You seem rather confident. I'm not saying they weren't but a statement like that needs some of corroborating evidence.

I doubt anyone would believe that Ukrainian military forces could pull off such an operation on their own. Therefore some NATO involvement must have been in place.

As for collaboration only France and Britain have these kinds of capabilities in European NATO and I don't think MI6 or the French DRM, if it was them have released any press statements confirming their involvement yet.....lol!

 

[tsf]

12-18 months more likely.

There is no chance.

And there is no possibility for a diplomatic solution at the moment, Ukraine has agreed to an unconditional ceasefire - Russia has not. Russia wants war.

 

[tsf]

I doubt anyone would believe that Ukrainian military forces could pull off such an operation on their own. Therefore some NATO involvement must have been in place.

Pure speculation. I'd say for a ragtag army, despite financial assistance from overseas, they have made a superpower look like a bunch of drunks for 3 years. They are more than capable of creative operation.

Maybe they had Russian help?

 

[Muz]

I doubt anyone would believe that Ukrainian military forces could pull off such an operation on their own. Therefore some NATO involvement must have been in place.

As for collaboration only France and Britain have these kinds of capabilities in European NATO and I don't think MI6 or the French DRM, if it was them have released any press statements confirming their involvement yet.....lol!

What 'capabilities' did they need though? In base terms, they loaded trucks up with drones, drove them there and let them loose. Ukraine has probably developed and evolved drone warfare miles in front of anyone else in a conflict today.

 

[tsf]

'A ukrainian asked me to park these trucks next to a military installation'

 

[tsf]

What 'capabilities' did they need though? In base terms, they loaded trucks up with drones, drove them there and let them loose. Ukraine has probably developed and evolved drone warfare miles in front of anyone else in a conflict today.

Connectivity/Technology is the major issue. The other factors they'd easily navigate ie border crossing, planning. But their technological expertise is incredible in its resourcefulness.

 

[Muz]

Connectivity/Technology is the major issue. The other factors they'd easily navigate ie border crossing, planning. But their technological expertise is incredible in its resourcefulness.

Yeah I'm waiting to hear or read how they managed to operate those drones from such a distance. There's a bloke on the ABC that looks into this stuff and a couple of blokes on youtube that dig forensically into it. Bellingcat are a good go to for this sort of thing too.

ABC bloke here:

 

[tsf]

Yeah I'm waiting to hear or read how they managed to operate those drones from such a distance. There's a bloke on the ABC that looks into this stuff and a couple of blokes on youtube that dig forensically into it. Bellingcat are a good go to for this sort of thing too.

ABC bloke here:

Retracting the roofs too, however, that can be timer-based, even run off local phone networks, or potentially just the car electrics.

Yeah, that guy dishes out interesting content on abc