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Australian politics.

Muz said:
Well with every conspiracy you need a reason why.

I wonder what reason the Libs have for sabotaging their own campaign.

Over to you loops.
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There are many possible reasons for this and this has been a strategy employed in the US in the past, for example the Republicans threw the Obama elections.

One scenario is economic timing and certain situations where they would want the opposition party to carry the can for, such that they can come back stronger at the next election.

The other is, the leadership of the major parties in all the vassal states of the USA (Australia being one) work with each other to ensure the established order maintains stability.
 
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Lupi said:
There are many possible reasons for this and this has been a strategy employed in the US in the past, for example the Republicans threw the Obama elections.

One scenario is economic timing and certain situations where they would want the opposition party to carry the can for, such that they can come back stronger at the next election.

The other is, the leadership of the major parties in all the vassal states of the USA (Australia being one) work with each other to ensure the established order maintains stability.
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Wait.

I laughed but you're serious.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
Decentric said:
I've also read some interesting articles in the New Daily and Guardian, with Alan Kohler producing a lot of data, about voting patterns, with different ages and gender.

Women are definitely moving leftwards as more women attain higher levels of tertiary education than men. I've read articles where conservative young males, influenced by Andrew Tate et al, who are called incels, plus other heterosexual males in general, can't meet enough conservative leaning women, to date.

Conversely, large numbers of highly educated younger women are finding a relative dearth of men to date with progressive views about feminism, environment, climate, First Nations, gender politics, being anti- Trump, etc.

Nearly all the most progressive MPs I know are women. The idealist MPs tend to be women, despite exceptions. Most progressive political activists are women, and of the men, many are either gay or trans. So I'm often a minority old, straight, white male, campaigning with younger women, LBGT and minorities.

In political activism, there are far more women involved in progressive pressure groups and the union movement than men. One of our state union leaders has said the average unionist tends to be a woman who is a health worker, educator or teacher.

When it comes to voting age groups Allan Kohler wrote articles about this issue 1- 2 years ago in the New Daily.

The under 40s, Millennials, only have 19 - 23% voting LNP in Aus! The other new phenomenon, is that as they approach 40, the voting patterns aren't changing. According to Kohler's data, they aren't becoming more conservative in voting patterns than previous generations as they age. Notwithstanding, the effect of the Andrew Tate adulators.

Gen X - 40 and over up to the Baby Boomers starting about 64. This Gen X have more combined Labor plus Green voters than LNP. However, there are still more Gen Xs who vote LNP than Labor.

Baby Boomers - overwhelmingly conservative voters - LNP. Many activists my age are embarrassed when told how conservative we are! With The Voice doorknocking it was difficult to change the mind of over 55s. Conferring as activists, we could not get over how open minded - under 50s generally were. Many thanked us for shedding light on the issue.

Silent Generation - the next gen older than Baby Boomers. They are even more conservative in voting patterns than the BBs!

It seems as though the LNP is dominated by old white, Anglo males. Thankfully, the younger Millennials don't tend to read Murdoch/News Limited for their news! As they outnumbered the older gens in voting patterns, they acquire news through social media and podcasts.

We are thrilled the Millennials have circumvented Murdoch/Sky/Fox and all the News Limited tabloids in Aus, who are inherently conservative. After the election I'm looking at Millennials with great fondness for sending Dutton/LNP packing!

A few pages ago MONO encapsulates it all quite succinctly in one of my favourite posts ever on football forums. He posts that Aussies have voted for a better, more inclusive society, trying to come together as one under Albo, compared to Dutton/LNP victimising minorities like Trump, and polarising Aus.
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Boomers - overwhelmingly conservative?
Not wholly true, some I know are still left wing.
Many boomers however, who were radical lefties when young are not quite that way inclined now.
Particularly after seeing what a complete balls up of government labor has made, in both Australia and Britain (and the democrats in the US)
 
McCain worked very closely with the Obama administration on project Ukraine and project Syria
 
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Lupi said:
McCain worked very closely with the Obama administration on project Ukraine and project Syria
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I didn't think it was possible but you are seriously sounding more and more unhinged.

Do you say these things out loud in public? I'd love to be in the pub when all you were shooting your mouth off about stuff like this.

'The federal election was thrown and if you think that's bad Obama was gifted the election in 2008. I mean they let him have the presidency but the GOP had a majority in both houses'.

'Uh huh....and what's your source for that?'

'Twitter and trust me bro'.
 
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Decentric said:
Lupi has posted so many posts on G and G FC, that he might be an almost respected member/senior elder of the forum, who will go back to his old happy place, Anarchy Football, and troll them!
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Calm down. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

His recent posts has restored order.
 
I suppose for the sake of my health this is not a good election to have a beer to celebrate every pleasant surprise in the counting....
 
grazorblade said:
I suppose for the sake of my health this is not a good election to have a beer to celebrate every pleasant surprise in the counting....
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Nothing will really change except in the Teal seats, unfortunately for them. For Labor it's a blessing in disguise to have a fuckwit like Tim Wilson back in the fold.
 
JS96 said:
We don't have a general politics thread.

www.bbc.com

Germany's Merz falls short of majority in vote for chancellor

Conservative Friedrich Merz unexpectedly falls short of the numbers needed to become chancellor.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

Nice first day at office....
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Muz

Thread 'World news and politics.'

At the risk of this becoming a bin fire here goes.

I stay out of middle east politics because it's too complicated and, in general, I couldn't be arsed but putting aside Israel killing 50 000 people during the latest blow-up this latest killing by Israel of Palestinian medics is a disgrace.

Israel telling everyone they were driving with their blue and red lights off and their headlights off and they were, essentially, asking for it.

One week later and they dig up some poor bastard and he's videoed the whole thing proving Israel is full of shit.

Fucking bunch of lying cunts...
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