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until I see evidence otherwise I'm going to assume tactical nukes were used as they are the only payload that would've successfully achieved that objective
 
The bunker busters aren't nukes.

If nukes had been used it would have caused outrage all over the world (not that this action hasn't).
 
At the end of the day if this stops Iran funding fuck tons of terrorists then maybe there's a silver lining.
 
Muz said:
At the end of the day if this stops Iran funding fuck tons of terrorists then maybe there's a silver lining.
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There's a lot of rational discussion that this is the best worst option. Threats the 'experts' are making with regime change will only harm Iranians are pure assumptions. Commentators are loving it just putting their ideas on loop selling them to news outlets.
 
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JS96 said:
There's a lot of rational discussion that this is the best worst option. Threats the 'experts' are making with regime change will only harm Iranians are pure assumptions. Commentators are loving it just putting their ideas on loop selling them to news outlets.
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I mean with their oil wealth they should be living life large in a land of milk and honey.

Instead they have a mediaeval leader determined to go back, at least socially, to the 14th century.
 
Muz said:
I mean with their oil wealth they should be living life large in a land of milk and honey.

Instead they have a mediaeval leader determined to go back, at least socially, to the 14th century.
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Plenty of good analysis on YouTube about what could have been. Brain drain and a massive stuff up. Some very good minds from that part of the world and diaspora is valuable wherever they go.

It's probably more individuals but I've got to say some Iranians who live abroad are bloody obnoxious when it comes to discussing it all. Highly intelligent but lack empathy for those who haven't gotten out and they're almost not Iranian anymore. Something like an international version.
 
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The bunker busters aren't nukes.

If nukes had been used it would have caused outrage all over the world (not that this action hasn't).
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the bunker busters only have a depth effectiveness of 60 metres

Fordow is 100 metres deep

so there's no way said objective was achieved with conventional bunker busters

either this is all theatre and only the entrance was damaged, which seems to be the current evidence or if stated objective objective was achieved only tactical nukes could do that
 
Lupi said:
the bunker busters only have a depth effectiveness of 60 metres

Fordow is 100 metres deep

so there's no way said objective was achieved with conventional bunker busters

either this is all theatre and only the entrance was damaged, which seems to be the current evidence or if stated objective objective was achieved only tactical nukes could do that
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So what happens when they drop six bunker busters in the one place?

This whole situation disgusts me so I take no pleasure in proving you wrong. It's a shitshow and we're all going to hell in a handbasket.
 
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So what happens when they drop six bunker busters in the one place?

This whole situation disgusts me so I take no pleasure in proving you wrong. It's a shitshow and we're all going to hell in a handbasket.
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the probability they could all follow exactly the same trajectory is very low, even via laser guidance

regardless, the targeted facilities were empty
 
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Hezbollah, Hamas, Houthis all funded by Iran amongst others.
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Although they are not good dudes they are not normal Isis or al quaeda type terrorists causing problems in other countries. They are more focused on a localised political objective, and Hamas for example do actually provide in their community too (that is not an endorsement in anyway, just saying they are not just some terrorist entity waiting to drive a car into people at a Christmas market in Germany for example).
 
The one problem here with regime change is what will follow could easily be worse.

Best case scenario would be the religious clerics leave and suddenly they build a system of democracy overnight and everyone hours home happy.

But it’s a fantasy.
 
It will always be recycle and rinse.
Sorry for the innocent people but this is their lives.
All these actions end up the same, move one dictator gain some reprieve for sometime then same again.
 
The hope that Iran has is that it is one of the only places I know of in the Middle East where Islam has come but they have also retained their original culture. The Persian history is as predominant, where as in other places it is all swallowed up.
 
tsf said:
Although they are not good dudes they are not normal Isis or al quaeda type terrorists causing problems in other countries. They are more focused on a localised political objective, and Hamas for example do actually provide in their community too (that is not an endorsement in anyway, just saying they are not just some terrorist entity waiting to drive a car into people at a Christmas market in Germany for example).
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Um I dont wanna burst your bubble mate, October 7th was a lot bigger than a Christmas market in Germany...
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Um I dont wanna burst your bubble mate, October 7th was a lot bigger than a Christmas market in Germany...
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I think he's saying that Iranian terrorism isn't exactly extended to Europe unlike other groups. They're certainly meddling and there have been arrests. At this rate Iran could blow up airlines and just say 'oops'. Nothing happens and the victims' families just get told by their government 'wrong place, wrong time'.
 
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