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ALM/W TV deal

LFC said:
coming from your 2 perspective am I surprised not.
Saints were a given being relegated for most of the season, they were not ready to survive from the get go, the remaining 2 spots was up down and around.
Ofcourse LFC was a shoe in but not the next possies down to 6/7 and mid table was whos going to finish where.
It was competitive for many viewing, your just picking the obvious (you just check results I assume ?) but the in between was anyones guess.
Gunners up down despite the hype.
Toffees/Palace were tethering at relo spots for ages great recoveries, Hammers/Wolves were the same, Spurs kept spiralling.
At one stage for sometime Forest were 2nd and hovering, Villa up for a while then bad patch and consolidated, Toon were struggling came back, Seagulls were in the 4/6 mix won many games coming from behind then dropped.
City all over the shop.
Bournemouth great to watch/Brentford one forward 20 goals another at 19.
Chelsea young team came back finish 4.
Fulham won most points against top 4 clubs.
All this every week buzzing your just not invested in the boring league lol.....sorry guys beg to differ.
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Sorry LFC but you are missing the point, not doubting the quality of the PL, lots of good players & teams.
It's the competition that is not there.
Many P/L fans call other leagues in Europe like Ligue1, La Liga & Bunseliga, farmers leagues, because PSG always wins Ligue1, Real Madrid & Barca always La Liga & Bayern always German league, do you think anyone outside of those countries care who got champions leagues spots or got relegated.
By January, we all knew Liverpool was going to win the P/L & Southampton, Leicester & Ipswich, the competition was not there.
I was more into the Champions league.
 
Reading the point clearly my friend.
EPL top to bottom has been sensational viewing and the completion is there.
The absolute exception saints were never gonna compete - Foxs haven’t recruited well at all and Ipswich like any promoted club either sink or swim - the rest of the comp was competitive.
I understand those other leagues mentioned do not have the depth being as competitive though I don’t watch them regularly.
Liga is liga been the same for decades but for Simeone causing havoc now and then.
Bundas at least had Bayer shuffle the pack and typically back to normal stations again I don’t watch that as well.
The real point is I do not find the AL riverting whole season what I watch - infact it’s worse than the examples mentioned.
No doubt there is some good match’s - talking lacking competition that’s exactly what it lacks and adds why it isn’t getting good broadcasting deals and not many takers caring to offer.
We shall see what becomes when the time comes to update its much needed next tenure.
 
LFC said:
Reading the point clearly my friend.
EPL top to bottom has been sensational viewing and the completion is there.
The absolute exception saints were never gonna compete - Foxs haven’t recruited well at all and Ipswich like any promoted club either sink or swim - the rest of the comp was competitive.
I understand those other leagues mentioned do not have the depth being as competitive though I don’t watch them regularly.
Liga is liga been the same for decades but for Simeone causing havoc now and then.
Bundas at least had Bayer shuffle the pack and typically back to normal stations again I don’t watch that as well.
The real point is I do not find the AL riverting whole season what I watch - infact it’s worse than the examples mentioned.
No doubt there is some good match’s - talking lacking competition that’s exactly what it lacks and adds why it isn’t getting good broadcasting deals and not many takers caring to offer.
We shall see what becomes when the time comes to update its much needed next tenure.
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We have to agree to disagree about the PL, I haven't enjoyed the PL for years now, the same teams every year wins, I do watch it for the quality of the top teams & players more than the competition.

Fully agree with you with the APL, it's struggling for media attention bar the odd few games, but I too like you, have watched the game in this country for 50 years & nothing has changed, but if you think that some NPL clubs are going to change that, good luck I wish you well. I thought we tried those clubs & it was a complete disaster.
Even as an avid football fan Apia v Marconi or Sth Melb (sorry Mono & other Greeks) v Preston aint going to get too much media attention.
 
Robbos said:
We have to agree to disagree about the PL, I haven't enjoyed the PL for years now, the same teams every year wins, I do watch it for the quality of the top teams & players more than the competition.

Fully agree with you with the APL, it's struggling for media attention bar the odd few games, but I too like you, have watched the game in this country for 50 years & nothing has changed, but if you think that some NPL clubs are going to change that, good luck I wish you well. I thought we tried those clubs & it was a complete disaster.
Even as an avid football fan Apia v Marconi or Sth Melb (sorry Mono & other Greeks) v Preston aint going to get too much media attention.
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No need to apologise Robbo... You are probably right. After 20 years the media in this country is so much more likely to show "attention" to APL franchises... the wall to wall coverage is overwhelming.
 
Cunningstunt said:
I think traditinal P/R would be a neutral outcome for the league and aus football in the best case. The biggest impact would be satisfying a lot of die hards, general public would not care, which is what drives potential revenue streams from media deals. I get the fascination of it for football people, but I think there are more pressing concerns.
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Thats fair.... but boils down to what we ALL want s football in this country .. A media product or a sporting ecosystem?
 
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LFC said:
Reading the point clearly my friend.
EPL top to bottom has been sensational viewing and the completion is there.
The absolute exception saints were never gonna compete - Foxs haven’t recruited well at all and Ipswich like any promoted club either sink or swim - the rest of the comp was competitive.
I understand those other leagues mentioned do not have the depth being as competitive though I don’t watch them regularly.
Liga is liga been the same for decades but for Simeone causing havoc now and then.
Bundas at least had Bayer shuffle the pack and typically back to normal stations again I don’t watch that as well.
The real point is I do not find the AL riverting whole season what I watch - infact it’s worse than the examples mentioned.
No doubt there is some good match’s - talking lacking competition that’s exactly what it lacks and adds why it isn’t getting good broadcasting deals and not many takers caring to offer.
We shall see what becomes when the time comes to update its much needed next tenure.
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Sky Sports viewing numbers were down 10 per cent last season to be broadly in line with the 2021-22 campaign. TNT Sports’ Saturday 12.30pm kick-off showed a 5 per cent drop on the 2023-24 season, and a 17 per cent drop with the two full midweek rounds — where some matches are played concurrently — included.

The numbers were presented to Premier League clubs at their annual meeting last week. Clubs were told Liverpool’s romp to the title without a serious challenge from Arsenal or Manchester City meant viewer numbers dropped off particularly over the last six weeks of the season — until then they had been close to the 2023-24 season.

The lack of a compelling relegation battle also affected interest towards the end of the campaign with Leicester City, Ipswich Town and Southampton effectively guaranteed to go down a couple of months before the end of the season.
 
Robbos said:
We have to agree to disagree about the PL, I haven't enjoyed the PL for years now, the same teams every year wins, I do watch it for the quality of the top teams & players more than the competition.

Fully agree with you with the APL, it's struggling for media attention bar the odd few games, but I too like you, have watched the game in this country for 50 years & nothing has changed, but if you think that some NPL clubs are going to change that, good luck I wish you well. I thought we tried those clubs & it was a complete disaster.
Even as an avid football fan Apia v Marconi or Sth Melb (sorry Mono & other Greeks) v Preston aint going to get too much media attention.
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seriously its not 1960/70/80 in saying that 1 club won 13 league titles as well so many Cups - is that counted as the same winners even back then.
NO one is saying the General main current Clubs is going to change the world whatsoever though where the bulk of football is established and development of the game and the base's to use it far better instead of leaving it as is.....
It seems your vision is just having the 1 Pro league, well talking business no one product business lasts whatsoever, every single business I deal with incl mine needs many more eggs in the basket and expands otherwise you sink and thats where your top league is.
Seriously I really wonder why people don't see through the trees.
robbos, I sure wouldn't bring you for a business proposal thats for sure :) but hope one day we can hit that little white ball together one day soon.
Let me know I'll book it.
 
I've seen all that info even before you done your searching Sutho the other day, 10% more so USA viewer decrease, hardly think they are great barometer for football and EPL sure can have its ups and downs viewer wise sure isn't hemorrhaging.
Mid week games depending times would always vary depending koff times start and going to work.
Good they are on the pulse but the game is going great for the millions and millions of regular viewer's.
 
LFC said:
I've seen all that info even before you done your searching Sutho the other day, 10% more so USA viewer decrease, hardly think they are great barometer for football and EPL sure can have its ups and downs viewer wise sure isn't hemorrhaging.
Mid week games depending times would always vary depending koff times start and going to work.
Good they are on the pulse but the game is going great for the millions and millions of regular viewer's.
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This is UK viewership, not USA.

People are refusing to pay the exorbitant prices the satellite channels are charging and turning to firesticks. The more this happens, the less the TV rights will be worth and the product will start to decrease, alarmingly may i say. The bubble will burst, sooner than many think.
 
IMO it would be a wise investment in the future of the professional football in this country if the APL accepted a bid of less monetary value from 9 over an extension with Paramount. Ten is a basket case. The long term value in sitting the A League alongside the EPL on a service with significantly higher viewship and a major press outlet in tow would vastly outweigh any short term monetary advantage with Paramount,whose own future is uncertain.

A deal with 9 would be a game changer for football in this country. And, yes, I know the history, and it is completely irrelevant in the current context.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
This is UK viewership, not USA.

People are refusing to pay the exorbitant prices the satellite channels are charging and turning to firesticks. The more this happens, the less the TV rights will be worth and the product will start to decrease, alarmingly may i say. The bubble will burst, sooner than many think.
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true re costs people are starting to hurt (no they are hurting world over) And there's the decrease answer Thankyou more so than uncompetitve league without a doubt !
Makes sense its all about the hip pocket.
I did see similar re USA Sutho hence my mention.
Agree TV rights prob have hit the summit atm - in turn once next ones go down means more back on board, usual snakes and ladders.
 
LFC said:
seriously its not 1960/70/80 in saying that 1 club won 13 league titles as well so many Cups - is that counted as the same winners even back then.
NO one is saying the General main current Clubs is going to change the world whatsoever though where the bulk of football is established and development of the game and the base's to use it far better instead of leaving it as is.....
It seems your vision is just having the 1 Pro league, well talking business no one product business lasts whatsoever, every single business I deal with incl mine needs many more eggs in the basket and expands otherwise you sink and thats where your top league is.
Seriously I really wonder why people don't see through the trees.
robbos, I sure wouldn't bring you for a business proposal thats for sure :) but hope one day we can hit that little white ball together one day soon.
Let me know I'll book it.
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I love to hit a white ball with you mate, maybe we can enjoy this discussion over a beer afterwards.

Not sure how you got that from what I said. I have no vision of 1 pro league. I stated clearly nothing has worked in the last 50 years in this country of watching football including the APL. None has captured the imagination of the general public.

The APL is struggling to capture the mainstream media, we both agree with that.
I'm looking for the alternative, what I disagree with is your solution of going back to NPL clubs.
 
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Monoethnic Social Club said:
No need to apologise Robbo... You are probably right. After 20 years the media in this country is so much more likely to show "attention" to APL franchises... the wall to wall coverage is overwhelming.
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Hey Mono, how good is Nuno Mendes, what a beast of a player.
Kept Salah in his back pocket in the qtrs of champions league, Kept Saka in his back pocket in the semis & the whole Inter team in the final.
He then kept Wirtz quiet & set Ronaldo up for winner in the semis of Nations cup then kept Yamine Lamal quiet while also providing a goal & an assist again for the great Ronaldo in the final.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Thats fair.... but boils down to what we ALL want s football in this country .. A media product or a sporting ecosystem?
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I agree. I think I want as many professional clubs as possible. Then I work back from there.

A pyramid ecosystem for its own sake, or even to provide a more competitive league isn't enough. It needs to increase the value of the league and the revenue, with a view to enabling more professional squad places.

I don't think the traditional clubs help with this because they have not been able to transcend the ethnicity to the broader community (there might be a debate there, but I don't think a club like Syd utd could replicate what wsw did).

This isn't to say I wouldn't see a place for these teams, but they would have to come in to an already established and robust environment where big clubs are carrying the revenue load. Which we don't currently have.
 
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