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The Western United Thread

Monoethnic Social Club said:
LOL Plasta Master truck with the SMFC logo is an institution in the North :)

As for your comment about Preston crowds, sure.... they are amazing for NPL level these past few years absolute massive credit to them from me. (wasnt the case 6-7 years ago though... im sure they arent the only club that can build a following if allowed to) ...

Why do they have to be though? WU werent before they were "let in" , neither where Macarthur's, or WSW or Sydney's or Brisbane's or Vicory's or anyones really... the franchises started from a net crowd average of exactly 0 (apart from Adelaide United and Perth for obvious reasons) ... why one rule for some one rule for others?
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To me, crowds are not a metric that we should be looking at, and you know well my stance on that, but it is the metric YOU are now arguing.

There are bigger state league clubs that have been doing the ground work in preparation. In fairness, the FA has been trying, getting the trophy around the grounds. The crowds are getting excited.

Let's see what happens with this AC and build from there. Make it a H&A season and get cracking.
 
TheSelectFew said:
To me, crowds are not a metric that we should be looking at, and you know well my stance on that, but it is the metric YOU are now arguing.

There are bigger state league clubs that have been doing the ground work in preparation. In fairness, the FA has been trying, getting the trophy around the grounds. The crowds are getting excited.

Let's see what happens with this AC and build from there. Make it a H&A season and get cracking.
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One thing that has bugged me on P/R, where is the money coming for the state league teams that are promoted to be able to pay for flights and accommodation when flying interstate / abroad up to 10 times a season.
 
Blackout said:
I'll start this thread as there's no real online forum for Western United that I can see. Even if it ends being me having a discussion with myself, I'll endeavour to get this thread up and running. After watching Dad's Army the last few years, I'm really looking forward to seeing the academy kids running around, even if we do end up toward the foot of the table.

Hopefully having an actual home ground is going to be a game changer. Both myself and the people I dragged along really enjoyed the games toward the back end of last season, it definitely had a different feel when you're at "home".
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Welcome to the forum!

Thanks for starting the thread.

One downside is we won’t get 2 home and away WU games in Hobart.

Now looking at the season in its totality, WU had a very, very good season, playing young players.
 
Despite the good onfield season for WU, I’m surprised the lack of live spectator support around the Geelong area.

We got bigger crowds in Hobart watching WU - with minimal advertising.
 
Decentric said:
Despite the good onfield season for WU, I’m surprised the lack of live spectator support around the Geelong area.

We got bigger crowds in Hobart watching WU - with minimal advertising.
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Geelong and Melbournes west have two very different identies. I don't think WU would feel like a local team for people from Geelong. It's too contrived. The AFL is also fairly well entrenched there.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
One thing that has bugged me on P/R, where is the money coming for the state league teams that are promoted to be able to pay for flights and accommodation when flying interstate / abroad up to 10 times a season.
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Well that's the thing, right. A lot of these clubs seem to be getting comfortable with going to an from east to west of Sydney.

Now, I get it, the FA has failed, at least from the outside, to provide financial certainty or a meaningful commitment to competition certainty. Regardless, the clubs have to come and meet in the middle. Where is the advertising? Even the state feds have no ads in streams on YT.

It's a massive opportunity lost, and it raises suspicions that the youth are funding the senior wages.
 
TheSelectFew said:
Well that's the thing, right. A lot of these clubs seem to be getting comfortable with going to an from east to west of Sydney.

Now, I get it, the FA has failed, at least from the outside, to provide financial certainty or a meaningful commitment to competition certainty. Regardless, the clubs have to come and meet in the middle. Where is the advertising? Even the state feds have no ads in streams on YT.

It's a massive opportunity lost, and it raises suspicions that the youth are funding the senior wages.
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How many leagues around the world advertise their leagues. IYKYK, otherwise, you are not interested.
 
TheSelectFew said:
To me, crowds are not a metric that we should be looking at, and you know well my stance on that, but it is the metric YOU are now arguing.

There are bigger state league clubs that have been doing the ground work in preparation. In fairness, the FA has been trying, getting the trophy around the grounds. The crowds are getting excited.

Let's see what happens with this AC and build from there. Make it a H&A season and get cracking.
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But I am NOT arguing for current crowds (or future ones to be honest)as any real metric of anything??? Read my original post in this thread below.... I think just enough people need to turn up to make it financial viable for the clubs participating and an incentive for the clubs that want to participate... everything can and hopefully should grow from there....

I agree with you that a pleasing amount of state league and even below clubs are making improvements, hopefully with an eye to be competitive and lock the whole pyramid together... Fans are getting excited just not as excited as I (and I assume you) would hope for.... I want this to be a resounding success from day dot... I feel like it may be more of a slow burn though..

Monoethnic Social Club said:
Thats such an odd take, it really is.... Im not ahve a go at you but the immediate answer is WHO CARES wghat the crowds are like?

South Melbourne may be currently getting crowds of 500 people at a state league match but we have been surviving for the past 20 years in no mans land playing neighberhood clubs with even less fans than that.... WU cant even pay their players and will be liquidated.. The difference has nothing to do with ethnicity or history or whatever its the franchise MODEL that doesn't work...

Do you not see the fact that NOT ONE SINGLE past NSL champion has folded into obscurity and still survives to this day as club (a few in very low leagues compared to their glory days btw) as a stark contrast to a franchise winning the Aleague and folding 2 years later?
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Sutherlandbear said:
One thing that has bugged me on P/R, where is the money coming for the state league teams that are promoted to be able to pay for flights and accommodation when flying interstate / abroad up to 10 times a season.
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Same way money comes into all football clubs mate... Memberships, sponsors, broadcasting arrangements and people through the turnstiles... It really doesnt need as much as you think.. The AAFC modelled this 3-4 years ago and a budget of 200-250K isnt that much of a stretch for all but the smallest clubs.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
How many leagues around the world advertise their leagues. IYKYK, otherwise, you are not interested.
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Yeah thats fair but this IS a new league and despite everyone in NPL land living in this self serving bubble, the broader football community may not know what is going on....
 
Decentric said:
Despite the good onfield season for WU, I’m surprised the lack of live spectator support around the Geelong area.

We got bigger crowds in Hobart watching WU - with minimal advertising.
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Do you think people actually cared about form or turned up just for the chance to watch professional football in their area?

Wouldn't the same crowd, for example, turn up to watch Wrexham play a Hobart rep team?
 
TheSelectFew said:
Well that's the thing, right. A lot of these clubs seem to be getting comfortable with going to an from east to west of Sydney.

Now, I get it, the FA has failed, at least from the outside, to provide financial certainty or a meaningful commitment to competition certainty. Regardless, the clubs have to come and meet in the middle. Where is the advertising? Even the state feds have no ads in streams on YT.

It's a massive opportunity lost, and it raises suspicions that the youth are funding the senior wages.
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What do you base those suspicions on? This has been debunked by countless posters on here already.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Yeah thats fair but this IS a new league and despite everyone in NPL land living in this self serving bubble, the broader football community may not know what is going on....
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I would argue that it is not a NEW league, they are entering their 21st season after all. If the media will not cover it, then we are well and truly snookered in the long run. In the age of the internet, there is no excuse, not to know.
 
Sutherlandbear said:
I would argue that it is not a NEW league, they are entering their 21st season after all. If the media will not cover it, then we are well and truly snookered in the long run. In the age of the internet, there is no excuse, not to know.
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Oh mate, sorry we got our wires crossed.... I am talking about advertising for the Australian Championship.....

I agree about the Aleague, re-engaging with lost fans is WAY more important for your league I feel rather than trying to find new ones.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Oh mate, sorry we got our wires crossed.... I am talking about advertising for the Australian Championship.....

I agree about the Aleague, re-engaging with lost fans is WAY more important for your league I feel rather than trying to find new ones.
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But the comparison isn't exactly the same with one bein pro, one being am, one national the other state.
 
TheSelectFew said:
But the comparison isn't exactly the same with one bein pro, one being am, one national the other state.
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Both the Aleague and the Australia Championship are supposed to be national and, at least nominally, professional...

All Im saying regarding advertising is.... that everyone that cares for the Aleague knows it is on and roughly when, the same can't be said for the new national league....
 
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