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grazorblade

grazorblade

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Just dump anything here you find interesting, thought provoking or talk from your experience. This thread was interesting as a start

 
We see firsthand how it’s the norm in 🇦🇺; no wonder our strikers are so fcken toothless, and have been pretty much since Dukes’ heyday ended😔

Sure, there’s the odd exception here and there but the point sadly isn’t invalidated.
 
Before the invasion of the tenth tier KNVB klowns talented young teenagers were given leeway to express themselves. As a former coach at the highest level I'd build a team around the gifted kids special qualities. Whatever formation or system that aided the truly special talent is what I went with. Conversely, the KNVB grifters were only interested in kids who fitted THEIR paper systems.

Big shame however the dopes at the FFA/FA knew no better. They were all mesmerised by Hiddink at the time and bet the farm on everything Dutch. Now, a wasted 20 years and still counting.
 
What specifically over the past 20 years has been a wasted?
Could you clarify specifics including what was so horrible about the KNVB?

I'm a little younger and don't quite understand this when I hear people make this or similar criticisms of the past 20 years and of the National curriculum which I can't say I hear too much of in the way of coaches using or following the NC in any way only that it is just criticism of "the system".

Australia has consistently made the WC and recently made youth Asian and WC's. As well as progressively finishing further in those competitions and advanced to latter stages which is one reason why I can't quite understand the criticism.

More domestic players of late have been getting international transfers by quantity as well as the prices increasing not sure if this has occurred in Aus football history before.

I'm unsure how my tone is coming across, but please take it no other way than genuinely interested in understanding what was bad about the past 20 years and maybe how it can be improved or was better in the past.
 
Medellin said:
What specifically over the past 20 years has been a wasted?
Could you clarify specifics including what was so horrible about the KNVB?

I'm a little younger and don't quite understand this when I hear people make this or similar criticisms of the past 20 years and of the National curriculum which I can't say I hear too much of in the way of coaches using or following the NC in any way only that it is just criticism of "the system".

Australia has consistently made the WC and recently made youth Asian and WC's. As well as progressively finishing further in those competitions and advanced to latter stages which is one reason why I can't quite understand the criticism.

More domestic players of late have been getting international transfers by quantity as well as the prices increasing not sure if this has occurred in Aus football history before.

I'm unsure how my tone is coming across, but please take it no other way than genuinely interested in understanding what was bad about the past 20 years and maybe how it can be improved or was better in the past.
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Joined 8 months ago and this is your first post. I've seen this all before. How do you keep up with all these password changes?
 
vo2Max said:
Which part did you agree with me about?
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"Conversely, the KNVB grifters were only interested in kids who fitted THEIR paper systems.

Big shame however the dopes at the FFA/FA knew no better. They were all mesmerised by Hiddink at the time and bet the farm on everything Dutch. Now, a wasted 20 years and still counting."
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
"Conversely, the KNVB grifters were only interested in kids who fitted THEIR paper systems.

Big shame however the dopes at the FFA/FA knew no better. They were all mesmerised by Hiddink at the time and bet the farm on everything Dutch. Now, a wasted 20 years and still counting."
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I form my opinion from the perspective of a past player and a fan though, I have never been involved in youth coaching and was wanting your take on it from THAT perspective thats all... nothing malicious in the question..... at least from me.
 
LFC said:
wonder why medellin comes in presents 5 paragraphs for debate then gonnne.
Valid Q why.
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I must be missing something.
I'm not gonnne, I asked a couple of questions which I am curious about and none of them were answered or debated or touched on.

It's a forum so I'm not expecting vo2Max or anyone to reply but it is a topic which continually arises and I've not been able to clarify for myself or receive any clarity regarding that topic or get any further information on.

I've understood that football fed aus at the time implemented the KNVB system of sorts as well as brought in coaches from Europe as well as a curriculum. But I'm unsure of what the negative feelings towards that are from? Looking back at the results while those coaches were here were the results any good? and the results since have been better..?

Maybe that is the part I need to see, international coaches have done no better than domestic coaches and why can't Aus just give ourselves the credit that like so many other sports we have the ability to become world class if we continually improve and grow over time without external input, utilise people who want to improve the game domestically and on the international stage rather than bring people in (who want to drain the resources of the AUS game) and who claim to have some silver bullet for development.

I'm a fan of Domestic Australian coaches being given the opportunities to develop themselves and players. (whether the coach is an ex player or not).
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
"Conversely, the KNVB grifters were only interested in kids who fitted THEIR paper systems.

Big shame however the dopes at the FFA/FA knew no better. They were all mesmerised by Hiddink at the time and bet the farm on everything Dutch. Now, a wasted 20 years and still counting."
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This is the part I am unsure about and confuses me, what has been wasted in that 20 years?
 
LFC said:
wonder why medellin comes in presents 5 paragraphs for debate then gonnne.
Valid Q why.
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Amazingly he came back at the exact same time as old mate started posting this morning. Amazeballs..
 
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Monoethnic Social Club said:
I form my opinion from the perspective of a past player and a fan though, I have never been involved in youth coaching and was wanting your take on it from THAT perspective thats all... nothing malicious in the question..... at least from me.
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The dutch coup instantly led to the new breed of text book coaches.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Yeah I know.... but apart from the methodology, did anything change within the structure of football coaching?
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The old blokes left in droves.

I recall doing a (mandated) course alongside John Xsipolitas and Peter Katholos when this stuff was unravelling. We all shook our heads in disbelief and horror that peanuts with hopeless or non-existent coaching track records were delivering the courses, from text books.
 
Medellin said:
I'm a fan of domestic Australian coaches being given the opportunities to develop themselves and players (whether the coach is an ex-player or not).
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As am I (& I’m sure, most of us)…but what I’m not cool with is them being parachuted into ALM/W coaching-jobs solely bc they’re cheap/readily-available; IMHO those reasons might as well be ‘for the heck of it’ if it’s not out of absolute necessity.

Ideally any up&coming local should have a bare-minimum of 5 seasons at NPL level (preferably@ the one club) under their belt before being seriously considered for an A-League coaching gig - but we’ve had relatively-inexperienced clowns like Zadkovich and the plonker currently at my team’s helm be given the opportunity.
 
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