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As am I (& I’m sure, most of us)…but what I’m not cool with is them being parachuted into ALM/W coaching-jobs solely bc they’re cheap/readily-available; IMHO those reasons might as well be ‘for the heck of it’ if it’s not out of absolute necessity.

Ideally any up&coming local should have a bare-minimum of 5 seasons at NPL level (preferably@ the one club) under their belt before being seriously considered for an A-League coaching gig - but we’ve had relatively-inexperienced clowns like Zadkovich and the plonker currently at my team’s helm be given the opportunity.

Ex players always get a leg up. Nothing new. Problem is that in Australia, we don't have enough FT football jobs.
 
The old blokes left in droves.

I recall doing a (mandated) course alongside John Xsipolitas and Peter Katholos when this stuff was unravelling. We all shook our heads in disbelief and horror that peanuts with hopeless or non-existent coaching track records were delivering the courses, from text books.

Not saying this about the guys you mentioned but I've seen plenty of the older generation also being unwilling to learn and improve/ be stuck in their ways. Times have changed.
 
I must be missing something.
I'm not gonnne, I asked a couple of questions which I am curious about and none of them were answered or debated or touched on.

It's a forum so I'm not expecting vo2Max or anyone to reply but it is a topic which continually arises and I've not been able to clarify for myself or receive any clarity regarding that topic or get any further information on.

I've understood that football fed aus at the time implemented the KNVB system of sorts as well as brought in coaches from Europe as well as a curriculum. But I'm unsure of what the negative feelings towards that are from? Looking back at the results while those coaches were here were the results any good? and the results since have been better..?

Maybe that is the part I need to see, international coaches have done no better than domestic coaches and why can't Aus just give ourselves the credit that like so many other sports we have the ability to become world class if we continually improve and grow over time without external input, utilise people who want to improve the game domestically and on the international stage rather than bring people in (who want to drain the resources of the AUS game) and who claim to have some silver bullet for development.

I'm a fan of Domestic Australian coaches being given the opportunities to develop themselves and players. (whether the coach is an ex player or not).
I’m biased having undertaken coach education with the old system, and the new amalgam of Dutch KNVB/ French/ Spanish / German system we now have.

I also did specific, separate KNVB training - which was similar. There were a few small differences though.

Our results have improved immeasurably since. We are tactically a lot better and technically we are catching up.

Grazor has more up to date info than me on the perception of scouts/ recruiters.
 
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As am I (& I’m sure, most of us)…but what I’m not cool with is them being parachuted into ALM/W coaching-jobs solely bc they’re cheap/readily-available; IMHO those reasons might as well be ‘for the heck of it’ if it’s not out of absolute necessity.

Ideally any up&coming local should have a bare-minimum of 5 seasons at NPL level (preferably@ the one club) under their belt before being seriously considered for an A-League coaching gig - but we’ve had relatively-inexperienced clowns like Zadkovich and the plonker currently at my team’s helm be given the opportunity.
You’ve made a few points Ange raised in his book, BA81.

Ange claims we need experienced coaches coaching elite youth. He contends it shouldn’t be a mechanism to develop coaches.
 
You’ve made a few points Ange raised in his book, BA81.

Ange claims we need experienced coaches coaching elite youth. He contends it shouldn’t be a mechanism to develop coaches.
I was thrilled to see carl veart selected for u17s which is the first time I've seen an experienced coach selected at youth level in what, 20 years?
 
I was thrilled to see carl veart selected for u17s which is the first time I've seen an experienced coach selected at youth level in what, 20 years?
Is that right, Grazor?

Ange would be pleased. Veart is very experienced and would have a decent understanding of the requirements for a senior international pro.

One issue that can arise is lack of experience with youth. As we've discussed elsewhere, Grazor, Han Berger had that ridiculous obsession with ridiculing isolated technique practice. It was his inexperience with underage players. As I've said previously, HB sought advice from experienced youth/junior coaches behind the scenes in developing curriculum though.

Moreover, Berger developed some fabulous training ground exercises for coaches to use with youth and seniors on the training ground. The players loved doing a lot of them too.

Maybe Football Lover has done some of them as well?
 
Not saying this about the guys you mentioned but I've seen plenty of the older generation also being unwilling to learn and improve/ be stuck in their ways. Times have changed.
Mike Edwards, a former, possibly still current, Football Aus coach educator, past NTC coach, past Melb Vic women's coach, claims a lot of coaches just don't like change, FL.
 
"Conversely, the KNVB grifters were only interested in kids who fitted THEIR paper systems.

Big shame however the dopes at the FFA/FA knew no better. They were all mesmerised by Hiddink at the time and bet the farm on everything Dutch. Now, a wasted 20 years and still counting."
Disagree, Mono.

I'm sure FL will agree too, who is an A Licence accredited coach, but there has been a metamorphosis of change - for the better. I was involved in the old and the new coach education.

Ask the likes of former Socceroos Craig Foster and Ali Edwards, how much has changed - for the better? They've addressed Football Aus workshops, national conferences, and seminars describing the changes. It isn't everything Dutch.

I've done KNVB - and - Aus NC coach education separately. There are a lot of similarities, but subtle differences too.

If we've imported French, Spanish, German practices, to augment Dutch KNVB, they have sound curricula, which extrapolates to international success on the pitch for those countries.
 
Not saying this about the guys you mentioned but I've seen plenty of the older generation also being unwilling to learn and improve/ be stuck in their ways. Times have changed.
I agree.

I remember reading an interview with Sir Alex Ferguson a few years after he retired. Now Fergie was about as 'the old school football manager' as you possibly could get.

He was talking about how he had been lecturing at the UEFA Pro- Licence course in Scotland and during this, he was highly emphasising the importance of adapting to the evolving landscape of football. And the importance of continuous learning and for prospective coaches to be able to develop ideas and methods in football coaching through learning and education...

Good enough for one of the most successful football managers in history - good enough for anyone!

Also a useful lesson for anyone in any walk of life not just football.
 
The ball is still round.
Which is a very valid point too.

I think that allowing naturally talented youngsters to go out and express themselves freely on the pitch when they are kids is paramount to their development as players....

And development coaching should never be about get bogged down in a particular way or systematic approaches.

Players will always differ in terms of which type of coaching practices are most suitable to their development of course, but in think that coaches who embrace variety are going to be more successful.

Another high profile coach Brendan Rodgers once said as a youth coach at Chelsea he had done every certification under the sun.

A week working with the first team under Jose Mourinho, not a particularly technical coach was completely different to what he'd done on courses and likened it to attending a masters degree in football at Harvard. He said it taught him more about the game than all the courses he'd done put together.

I think than in football, in football coaching, variety is the spice of life!!
 
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Which is a very valid point too.

I think that allowing naturally talented youngsters to go out and express themselves freely on the pitch when they are kids is paramount to their development as players....

And development coaching should never be about get bogged down in a particular way or systematic approaches.

Players will always differ in terms of which type of coaching practices are most suitable to their development of course, but in think that coaches who embrace variety are going to be more successful.

Another high profile coach Brendan Rodgers once said as a youth coach at Chelsea he had done every certification under the sun.

A week working with the first team under Jose Mourinho was completely different to what he'd done on courses and likened it to attending a masters degree in football at Harvard. He said it taught him more about the game than all the courses he'd done put together.

I tink than in football, in football coaching, variety is the spice of life!!
very valid across the board for decades.........
Mind you it always takes one to set the new course the rest end up following and some fine tune on the way.
Its not all about the stats/vids but also how you vision X player can contribute/impact not as per the curriculums.
I'm afraid alot of outliers have had their rope pulled in today BUT we do see a outlier here and there.
In saying that your mention of ol whiskey nose, there is no doubt he had a successful career, I think he had 3 pieces of the puzzle mind you.
1. Timing, the class of 92, what coach wouldn't luv having a core at his disposal to work with as such.
2. Man management.
3. Budgets/$$$'s

Whereas I rate one like Cruyff ahead of Fergie as a innovator and game changer/winner far more, look what followed after Cruyff's injection in the game and coachs that followed to this day - now thats a Legacy of success that is hard to replicate.
The Chosen one was damn brilliant as Rogers mentions but why after all the success did he not learn to change/adapt his tack after all the new intel that came to be during his tenures later in his career.

Why did Ancelotti keep delivering only up until last season @ 66yrs young compared to the Chosen One.

Like players not all coachs young to old are the same - correct variety lets hope Ai doesn't take over otherwise the game becomes a E.
 
Started watching it for a few minutes and was transfixed. All the cliched characters, like the dodgy president coming in with cash, but at a non-league level and z-grade. It’s hilarious
Just put the doco in my watch list.

Seems like the fella has a podcast too...😀
 
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