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♔ ♕ ♚ ♛ Australia U17/U20/U23 National Team Tournaments & Discussion Thread ♔ ♕ ♚ ♛

I think it has only been Kuwait who've moaned about us.

Originally, teams like Japan and South K wanted us in Asia to test themselves against, and improve, against European style rugged physicality.
+ Malaysia.

If you read comments on social media there are a lot of people in Asia that don't consider us 'Asian' and therefore don't belong in the confederation.

I saw an article on the best Asian players in EPL history and it didn't include Aussies.

Some won't ever accept it. We are the odd one out.
 
The question is do you play Bennie at RB or RW/RF?
Without Irankunda, De Jesus could play RB and Bennie to RW.

With Irankunda, Bennie stays at RB and Iran plays RW.

I hope no relatives of these two are reading this but Interserra at RB and Isoljak at LB ( or whatever his name is) were hopeless as full backs when Bennie and Talidora were too tired, at jockeying, delaying and showing. They tackled reasonably well, and were okay in body on body duels, but they were often too easily dribbled around , particularly in the final, against Saudi, which cost us the goal.

Inerserra, was often excellent on the ball going forwards, and, Isoljak demonstrated one moment of brilliance, when he anticipated a really hard hit Saudi ball, through good reading of play, receiving the ball dead at his feet, and playing a pass forwards. But when trying to defend against Saudi attackers running at them with the ball, they were inept.
 
+ Malaysia.

If you read comments on social media there are a lot of people in Asia that don't consider us 'Asian' and therefore don't belong in the confederation.

I saw an article on the best Asian players in EPL history and it didn't include Aussies.

Some won't ever accept it. We are the odd one out.
I couldn't care a less about no Aussies being included in best Asian players in history.

It is really good for our football development being in Asia though.
 
Without Irankunda, De Jesus could play RB and Bennie to RW.

With Irankunda, Bennie stays at RB and Iran plays RW.

I hope no relatives of these two are reading this but Interserra at RB and Isoljak at LB ( or whatever his name is) were hopeless as full backs when Bennie and Talidora were too tired, at jockeying, delaying and showing. They tackled reasonably well, and were okay in body on body duels, but they were often too easily dribbled around , particularly in the final, against Saudi, which cost us the goal.

Inerserra, was often excellent on the ball going forwards, and, Isoljak demonstrated one moment of brilliance, when he anticipated a really hard hit Saudi ball, through good reading of play, receiving the ball dead at his feet, and playing a pass forwards. But when trying to defend against Saudi attackers running at them with the ball, they were inept.
I prefer Bennie at RB too. I think he's a future NT starter in that position. I like the idea of such a strong right side.

That said there's an argument play Irankunda left and Bennie right and have some real width both sides of the pitch. It would mean teams can't avoid our strong side like in this tournament.

De Jesus i'm not convinced on so helps sell me on Bennie RB.

Inserra and Lisolajski were second choice full backs who may not make the world cup squad. I liked Talladira a lot.
 
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I couldn't care a less about no Aussies being included in best Asian players in history.

It is really good for our football development being in Asia though.
Of course it is. It's one of the best things we've done. Still we won't be accepted by many. That's what I was illustrating.
 
Just a thought, surely wins such as this will bode well for the likes of Alex Robertson feeling called to be a part of the future of Australian football. He's 22 next month so he could be a more senior player with some of the boys in the future.

Now he just needs to snap out of it and realise that playing for World Cups is the pinnacle and jump on board.
With the talent coming through, Robertson is going to have be one of the best Aussies ever to be better than all the Aussie midfielders his age and younger.

Looking at Deli, ATM he shows all the best skills of a combined Culina, Grella, Milligan and Mooy, apart from passing over range.

I don't think Deli has started a Mac game yet? Nor had Valadon played asa starter for Melb Vic when I identified him as having some terrific skills in the u23s a year ago.

Deli has the fast handling speed and nimble footwork of Culina, the crash tackling of Grella and Milligan, and the handling speed and fast feet of Mooy.

Deli has explosive pace and acceleration off the mark too, and is really quick on the turn. Plus he is built like a brick outhouse amongst many of his puny u20 teammates.

Okon is an immense talent too. He is as good on the ball as his Dad, but a superior ball winner, and tackler. Okon Junior's reading of the game is superb. He constantly turns up in places the opposition doesn't want him to be - making tackles and intercepts.

Okon just has to 1 and 2 touch more in the defensive half when receiving the ball. He can get away with his change of direction, sole of the foot dribbling and body swerves with 3-4 touches before passing in the attacking half.
 
Of course it is. It's one of the best things we've done. Still we won't be accepted by many. That's what I was illustrating.
As long as enough Asian teams want us in the Fed, good!

We are probably noticed more if we win things.
 
I prefer Bennie at RB too. I think he's a future NT starter in that position. I like the idea of such a strong right side.

That said there's an argument play Irankunda left and Bennie right and have some real width both sides of the pitch. It would mean teams can't avoid our strong side like in this tournament.

De Jesus i'm not convinced on so helps sell me on Bennie RB.

Inserra and Lisolajski were second coice full backs who may not make the world cup squad. I liked Talladira a lot.
The back six of Bennie, Esposito, Kikianis, Talidora - and Deli and Okon in front of them, became more cohesive as the tournament progressed.

Kikianis played poorly against Qatar, but after that, virtually only made 1 or 2 mistakes over the next 4 games!

When Talladira wasn't there, it was really noticeable! Gee, he was missed!
 
I prefer Bennie at RB too. I think he's a future NT starter in that position. I like the idea of such a strong right side.

That said there's an argument play Irankunda left and Bennie right and have some real width both sides of the pitch. It would mean teams can't avoid our strong side like in this tournament.

De Jesus i'm not convinced on so helps sell me on Bennie RB.

Bennie at RW and Iran at LW would be potent!

Just haven't seen enough of De Jesus yet to make a judgement.

Given Badalato has had little game time in the AL, De Jesus, must be doing something right to be an AL regular at such a young age.
 
Thought Pearman was out-muscled and out-tackled too easily, particulalrly the Saudi defenders in the final. Ditto Quintal. Al Shamari the Saudi DM and the Saudi backs completely outmuscled them.

I felt like Badaloto was physically hammered too.

Whereas Jovanovic and Toure held their own, as did Yull when on the pitch.

Deli didn't start, but thankfully he made it a personal mission to hammer Al Shamari once subbed on. That left foot sliding tackle that crashed into the cocky Saudi, getting plenty of ball and man, launched him high into orbit! An absolute highlight for me! Deli's yellow was worth it! It wiped the smile off Al Shamari's face.

Gee, the Saudis had pace all over the pitch!
 
Sofa score stats finally up. Australia rated 6.83 to saudi's 6.84 indicating that their algorithm isn't surprised by a draw!

possession 51% to australia
completed passes 527 to 339 indicating a game with slightly slower ball movement and more contested possession (we were gassed imo)
our xg 1.47 to 0.94
Saudi made 6 errors leading to shots to our 0
They, however made 18 tackles to our 6
We made 19 intercepts to their 10
Saudi won the majority of aerial duels 63% to our 37%

On the high skill areas it looks reasonably even
Australia completed 82% of their take ons to Saudi's 83 percent
We completed 39% of our long passes to their 46%. We have been remedial in long passes throughout and it is a growing area
We had 2 accurate through balls to their 7
We had 23 touches in the pen area to their 12

Our worst rated players were lisolajski and inserra. Bennie, Okon, Badolato, Jovanovic all rated highly whereas agosti's ratings are basically saved by his goal and he would have rated poorly without it. Despite the goal keeping error, Hall actually rated pretty well. Not sure if penalties go into the ratings. Our bench all rated ok with the exception of Yull.

we still aren't quite where I'd like to be, but darn it is a big improvement and hopefully our new floor rather than our new ceiling.
 
With the talent coming through, Robertson is going to have be one of the best Aussies ever to be better than all the Aussie midfielders his age and younger.

Looking at Deli, ATM he shows all the best skills of a combined Culina, Grella, Milligan and Mooy, apart from passing over range.

I don't think Deli has started a Mac game yet? Nor had Valadon played asa starter for Melb Vic when I identified him as having some terrific skills in the u23s a year ago.

Deli has the fast handling speed and nimble footwork of Culina, the crash tackling of Grella and Milligan, and the handling speed and fast feet of Mooy.

Deli has explosive pace and acceleration off the mark too, and is really quick on the turn. Plus he is built like a brick outhouse amongst many of his puny u20 teammates.

Okon is an immense talent too. He is as good on the ball as his Dad, but a superior ball winner, and tackler. Okon Junior's reading of the game is superb. He constantly turns up in places the opposition doesn't want him to be - making tackles and intercepts.

Okon just has to 1 and 2 touch more in the defensive half when receiving the ball. He can get away with his change of direction, sole of the foot dribbling and body swerves with 3-4 touches before passing in the attacking half.
Valadon had senior starts for Melbourne City.
 
A potential problem this group might have is later in the year, not only it could be challenging to get the overseas based released for the tournament but the fact the a-league season will start in mid to late October means the players will only rely on Aus Cup matches providing their clubs go on a deep run and pre season matches and for World Cup level play its not going to be strong enough.(Note the World Cup will held between mid September to mid October)

Either move the season forward to August or early September or have the Young Socceroos do tour matches as a club side for 2 to 3 months.

Logistically it will be challenge and we want them to do well so it will be interesting to see what is done about it.
 
Flashback time. Here's a hopeful post from 2006 about our "wonderkids". What a sad state this list ended up. Most of these guys were the "go to" players in the early Football Manager series haha.


Rostyn Griffiths (Blackburn Rovers – 17):

The 17 year old midfielder, with Blackburn Rovers, is quick and reasonably tall, he has skill on the ball and lethal finishing. He is currently one of the best English youth league midfielders, and has been rewarded by being promoted to the Blackburn Rovers Reserve team, where he played 9 matches scoring 1 goal. His career has so far spanned 16 games for a return of 6 goals in two seasons at Blackburn, hindered by a broken leg. Wales are currently trying to “lure him over”, and at 16 years of age, there was reports of him being selected for their senior national side. A representative of Australian national youth sides he is definitely one of Australia’s young guns, and a star of the future.


James Wesolowski (Leicester City – 18):

Australians may argue that Kilkenny is Australia’s best current prospect, because of his experience in the top division. However critics both in England and Australia have earmarked this man as the “next big thing”. He only made 4 brief appearances in the English Championship this season, so unlucky, suffering two broken legs, one in the pre-season against Celtic, then after 4 games coming back from the first broken leg he broke his second against Brighton. However, in the brief time between the injuries Wesolowski made enough of an impression, to become the unconditional crowd favourite at Leicester, having 2 brilliant assists in the 4 games he played. A graduate of Westfields Sports High School, like so many Socceroos, his ex-coach’s have been quoted as saying that he is the best player ever to come out of the school, the same school Harry Kewell attended.

“"Freak, the best kid we have ever seen here. I don't know if I could even compare Harry to him. Play him anywhere you like. He played Commonwealth Bank Cup at 13 in year 8, he's been playing 19's for Leicester City in England and he's only just turned 15. He's hardworking, mature and intelligent", says Morgan with sheer pride.
"if anybody was going to make it, you'd put your money on James. He is far superior to most players and exceptional in his dedication. You've got a kid in year 9 who's the best player in the senior team", says Barrett, who has seen many a player in his time.”

The answer of Wesolowski vs. Kilkenny may come quicker than some may have thought when the two young-guns match up for their respective sides next year in the Championship, due to Birmingham’s recent relegation.


Cameron Watson (FC Porto – 18):

Undoubtedly the hardest “young-gun” to recover information on, an AIS graduate, Cameron first showed his abilities, when he continued to score for the AIS on its tour of Argentina. Currently in the Australian U-20 side he was transferred to Portuguese giants FC Porto in July 2005. A quick attacking midfielder, with sublime finishing skills, as Cameron looks to apply his skills in Europe, the rest of Australia will be looking on in interest.


Kristian Sarkies (Melbourne Victory – 19):

Could potentially be one of Australia’s best players come 5 years time, he is oozing raw talent, and is one of Australia’s most technically gifted players. Lethal dead ball finisher, and with a pinpoint cross and creative passing, he has all the makings of an Australian David Beckham. At home most as an attacking central midfielder, Guus Hiddink saw enough in the teenager to be placed as a standby for the World Cup squad. Kristian has now seemed to have adapted to the right side of midfield, under the mentoring of Hiddink, with a solid first season in the A-League, the boy from Dingly, whom represented South Melbourne at the age of 16 in the old NSL, he could well be the A-League’s first real prodigy, after his debut cap against Liechtenstein in June of 2006


Kaz Patafta (Benfica – 17):

One of Australia’s most publicised young talents. But undoubtedly one of Australia’s top young talents, Patafta originally from Canberra, the Joeys U-17 Captain is a star in the making. A string of clubs were chasing Patafta, including Guus Hiddink, after he saw the player’s skill when he trained with the Socceroos prior to their matches against Uruguay. Originally overlooked by A-League clubs, Portuguese giants Benfica won his signature in November of 2005. Described as a cross between Harry Kewell and Tim Cahill, he is intelligent and hard working. The ultimate warhorse for the future Australian midfield, Patafta, who trained with the Socceroos prior to the World Cup, may well see action sooner than he thinks, with the Asia Cup qualifiers looming large on the horizon, many will not be surprised if Kaz Patafta is a sneak selection.


Neil Kilkenny (Birmingham City – 19):

Unbeknown to Neil, when he pledged his allegiance to Australia, and tied himself by debuting against Liechtenstein, he took on the hopes of a future nation. Supremely talented, the England U-19’s player made 25 appearances in England’s top flight in 05/06, and duly won the Birmingham young player of the year award. With a great passing game, and decision making beyond his years, it was no wonder Australian full-back Stan Lazaridis, jumped out of his seat when he heard he had grown up in Australia. Expected to form the nucleus of the team for the next decade, Kilkenny will look to stamp his mark as more than a “potential” star when he will attempt to help his side Birmingham City reach promotion in the English Championship next season.


David Williams (Brondby FC – 18)

Would be possibly the quickest player in Australian football, from aboriginal decent this player has just recently been transferred from Queensland Roar, to Brondby FC in the Danish top tier. A very respectable club Brondby boasts one of the best lists in Scandinavia, where David will hopefully be able to hone his skill better. As with Sarkies, possess the raw talent to be something truly special, Williams is in the same mould of Samuel Eto’o, as he is an out and out striker, who breaks the lines and punishes defences with what can only be described as breath taking and obliterating play. An unknown to a lot of the Australian public, David Williams will sure become a household name in Australia in the next 5 years.


James Troisi (Newcastle United – 17):

The Striker/Winger is very much in the mould of Harry Kewell, loves to dribble, with blistering pace. Near unstoppable at youth level where Troisi is averaging a goal a game. He was promoted to the reserve side, where he continued to net goals, even though he was being played further up the field. Described as a “spark”, Troisi can bring life to any attack, and torments defences with extremely intelligent runs, but due to his blistering pace, and knack in front of goal, he is seldom caught. An Australian U-17 representative, Troisi’s star is expected to rise, especially if he is given the chance on the world stage, like the upcoming Olympics in Beijing.


Scott Jamieson (Bolton Wanderers – 17):

Scott could be described as the quiet achiever of the Australian “wonderkids” group. With neither the hype of Kilkenny, Patafta or Sarkies, the versatile midfielder/full back’s achievements are just as impressive. An Australian U-17 representative and another

graduate of Westfields Sports High School, he has made the startling achievement of braking into the Wanderers senior side at the age of 17. All be it a friendly, his impressive performances in a wing-back role in the reserves put his name in selection criteria more the once during the season. The rare ability for a fullback to deliver good crosses from deep positions, Scott also has the uncanny ability to run forward and find himself on the end of a cross from his team mates at the far post. A versatile option once the likes of Emerton retire, Scott will be staking his claim even harder in the 06/07 season.
 
Adam Hardy (Olympic Marseilles – 17):

Described by Kewell as Australia’s best ever youth prospect. Left for France at the tender age of 13 to take up an amateur contract at Olympic Marseilles (He can sign as a professional as soon as he turns 18). Currently in their esteemed youth program, of which there are only limited places. He is Australia’s potential dynamo on the wing. Kewell is quoted as saying “the kid is a wing wizard”. Has the ability to play either wing, Adam hasn’t appeared in any Australian youth teams, more by choice rather than talent. Extremely quick, and has the ability to dribble and trick any defender, he is Australia’s own future Christiano Ronaldo. With very few Australian players going through the French youth academy’s, of which is regarded as one of the elite in the world, Australia may find itself a new breed of Footballer. Extremely quick, skillful and very cheeky is his style. Thus is the French way, Australia will sure welcome this future star in the coming years.


Dez Giraldi (Empoli/Adelaide Utd – 20):

Dez is the classical breed of Italian forward. Moderately tall, technically, and physically strong he is contracted with the Italian Serie A club Empoli. He and Empoli have agreed for Dez to go out on loan to Adelaide Utd for a season in the A-League, where in front of the gaze of the Australian public, he might express his great talents. At only a tender age of 20, whilst Dez currently hasn’t fullfilled his potential, he is worth remembering, in the coming years as Australia’s “old firm” retires.


Nathan Coe (PSV Eindhoven – 22):

If Australian’s were afraid of who’s to come after Schwarzer and Kalac retires, look no further. In terms of Goalkeepers careers, Coe’s is just in its infant stages. However, he possesses all the talents to play in top flight Europe at this current time. Contracted to Guus Hiddink’s PSV Eindhoven, Coe continues to be the benefit of ongoing public praise from the Socceroo’s coach, whom believes he is almost ready to take over the reins at PSV. Originally signed by Inter Milan from the Brisbane Strikers, he is one year the junior of his countryman Brad Jones from Middlesborough, whom made his debut this year. It looks as though one battle, Kalac vs. Schwarzer is about to end, and another begin Coe vs. Jones. But this being a good thing to Australia, their goalkeeping duties look to be in safehands, for at least another decade.
 
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