Australian politics.

[zimbos05]

And at the same time, a global protest movement of rare size and emotional potency has filled our streets, social media and university campuses.

These two phenomena the anti-Jewish hate crimes and the anti-Israel protests seem to rise and fall together like clockwork every time Israel is at war, in a way that does not happen for any other overseas conflict.

Of course this doesn’t mean that every protester is antisemitic, far from it. Many have honourable motivations, and heaven knows there is plenty to despair about in this Gaza conflict. Still, the correlation between the protests and the hate crimes is striking....

The Hamas Charter, 1988, is a call for genocide against all Jews, worldwide, although of course special attention is paid to Israel. The belief that Israel doesn't deserve to exist, and that Jews don't deserve to live is the foundation of Palestinian resistance.

What do you think about 'Hamas' FOOTBALL lover?

What did youbthink about October the 7th??

I like the way you made up a whole bunch of bullshit, ignored what the other poster said about anti-zionism and anti-jew not being linked - and that Palestinians are semites - and then rephrased history to only start on october 7.

Is the Netanyahu playbook available on Amazon or do you have to be part of a secret club to get it?

in a way that does not happen for any other overseas conflict.

In no other conflict are we watching a live genocide

 

[Football us life]

I like the way you made up a whole bunch of bullshit, ignored what the other poster said about anti-zionism and anti-jew not being linked - and that Palestinians are semites - and then rephrased history to only start on october 7.

Is the Netanyahu playbook available on Amazon or do you have to be part of a secret club to get it?


In no other conflict are we watching a live genocide

Unfortunately when the real-life impact of anti-Zionism results in cries advocating for the killing of Jews, then it can only be understood as antisemitism....

“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is a firm favourite of the young wide eyed protester demographic and is a reference to the land between the Jordan River, which borders eastern Israel, and the Mediterranean Sea to the west.

The question then is what that means for Israel and the Jewish people. The context and the intent is key....

Some people say the slogan has historically been used to articulate a wide variety of political strategies for Palestinian liberation. But many Jewish the opinion has taken root in Israel, and among many Jews and non-Jews internationally, that the slogan "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is antisemitic, calling for the destruction of the state of Israel and the ethnic cleansing or murder of all Jews living in it.

Jewish organizations and other political players around the world are demanding a ban on the use of this slogan.

 

[Football us life]

And of course my point in my original post on this matter remains.

Why would a bunch of young middle class white hipsters in Brisbane, marching under a rainbow flag, an international symbol of LGBTQi pride and LGBTQi social movements, be out chanting "Up Hamas, up Hezbollah..."?

Both of these groups are not exactly sympathetic towards the LGBTQi community.

Homosexual activity is legal in the West Bank but under the formerly governing body Hamas, is punishable by up to 10 years in Gaza.

Meanwhile before he was assassinated by Israel, Hassan Nasrallah, the former leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon once said that gay people, "even if they do it once... are to be killed".....

 

[zimbos05]

Unfortunately when the real-life impact of anti-Zionism results in cries advocating for the killing of Jews, then it can only be understood as antisemitism....

Actually, no it can't. Don't conflate two opposite thing and try to make it that. It is anti-zionism, nothing more. That Jews are predominant as Zionists is not a correlation.

“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is a firm favourite of the young wide eyed protester demographic and is a reference to the land between the Jordan River, which borders eastern Israel, and the Mediterranean Sea to the west.

And you point? Palestinian people are living in open air prisons. They want the land that was stolen from them back. Simple as that.

The question then is what that means for Israel and the Jewish people. The context and the intent is key....

If we go by all the UN resolutions that have been rejected by the Israeli government, it means a two state solution. Again, Israel refuse any discussion on this because they want total annihilation of Palestine.

Some people say the slogan has historically been used to articulate a wide variety of political strategies for Palestinian liberation. But many Jewish the opinion has taken root in Israel, and among many Jews and non-Jews internationally, that the slogan "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is antisemitic, calling for the destruction of the state of Israel and the ethnic cleansing or murder of all Jews living in it.

Again, Jews are no the only semitic people. The slogan also does not mean the ethnic cleansing of Jews. People who are pro-Palestine are anti-Zionism. Many Jews support the plight of Palestine. It is about the eradication of a doctrine that seeks to continue its systemic genocide of the Palestinian people, and has been doing so for 75 years, not since Oct 7.

Jewish organizations and other political players around the world are demanding a ban on the use of this slogan.

Good for them. Let's start by addressing the issue of the blockade, the genocide, and systemic oppression and killing of the people of Palestine, and holding Israel account to all of the UN resolutions they choose to ignore.

 

[zimbos05]

And of course my point in my original post on this matter remains.

Why would a bunch of young middle class white hipsters in Brisbane, marching under a rainbow flag, an international symbol of LGBTQi pride and LGBTQi social movements, be out chanting "Up Hamas, up Hezbollah..."?

Both of these groups are not exactly sympathetic towards the LGBTQi community.

Homosexual activity is legal in the West Bank but under the formerly governing body Hamas, is punishable by up to 10 years in Gaza.

Meanwhile before he was assassinated by Israel, Hassan Nasrallah, the former leader of Hezbollah in Lebanon once said that gay people, "even if they do it once... are to be killed".....

Because those people have a heart, and a soul and they recognise a genocide when they see one, and will refuse to sit by and let it happen. That they choose to support the LGBTQI community is their own personal choice.

 

[Football us life]

Because those people have a heart, and a soul and they recognise a genocide when they see one, and will refuse to sit by and let it happen. That they choose to support the LGBTQI community is their own personal choice.

lol....

Keffiyeh scarves en al....

 

[zimbos05]

lol....

Keffiyeh scarves en al....

This is where you out yourself. You provide nothing of substance, Ignore the actual genocide, and water it down to "lol". It's sad to see people in this world who can ignore systemic killing of a people - regardless of who they are - and lap up the talking points the ruling elite feed in order to further fuel their ego and money hoarding.

 

[Football us life]

This is where you out yourself. You provide nothing of substance, Ignore the actual genocide, and water it down to "lol". It's sad to see people in this world who can ignore systemic killing of

And you have not once condemned supporter's of Hamas and Hezbollah, two proscribed terrorist organisations. You have just tried to frame my postings to fit your own disdain for Israel.

I have not once mentioned support for Israeli actions in Gaza.

In your narrow view extreme verbal degradation, calling for the indiscriminate killing of Jews, their demonization, the delegitimization of Jewish self-determination, and systematic sowing of doubt that Zionism and Israel are just and moral is fine...


Oh my...

 

[zimbos05]

And you have not once condemned supporter's of Hamas and Hezbollah, two proscribed terrorist organisations. You have just tried to frame my postings to fit your own disdain for Israel.

Why should I have to condemn them? I am not a member of these groups, nor a supporter? Why don't you condemn Netanyahu and the genocide carried out by Israel? It's more insane when you find out that Netanyahu was responsible for the creation of Hamas.

I have not once mentioned support for Israeli actions in Gaza.

In your narrow view extreme verbal degradation, calling for the indiscriminate killing of Jews, their demonization, the delegitimization of Jewish self-determination, and systematic sowing of doubt that Zionism and Israel are just and moral?


Oh my...

Again, you are conflating and confusing to suit your narrative. It not anti-jew, it is anti-zionism. Jewish people are entitled to their own state. However, when that state comes at the cost of a genocide to pursue the cause of Zionism, there it is not a state for Jewish people. Jewish people are in fact a pawn of the zionist leaders.

 

[Football us life]

FWIW I dont support Netanyahu or his government. I think that his actions will add further toxicity to the perceptions of Israel by the rest of the world. I think Israel needed more moderate governance in a situation where the 2 or 3 terrorist organisations surrounding you are constantly attacking you.

And specifically, Israel's retaliatory operations in Gaza should have been far more measured. Yes go after the protagonists of terrorist attack against you but be aware of the civilians the terrorist organisation shields behind...

 

[zimbos05]

FWIW I dont support Netanyahu or his government. I think that his actions will add further toxicity to the perceptions of Israel by the rest of the world. I think Israel needed a more moderate governance in a situation where the 2 or 3 terrorist organisations surrounding you are constantly attacking you.

And specifically Israel's retaliatory operations in Gaza should have been far more measured. Yes go after the protagonists of terrorist attack against you but be aware of the civilians the terrorist organisation shields behind...

You do know that there is no evidence to suggest Hamas shields behind civilians. Not a single reputable source has proven this claim tobe true. You claim not support Israel, yet parrot all of their talking points.

 

[melbcityguy]

You do know that there is no evidence to suggest Hamas shields behind civilians. Not a single reputable source has proven this claim tobe true. You claim not support Israel, yet parrot all of their talking points.

Is there any evidence that Hamas care about the people they represent?

 

[Football us life]

You do know that there is no evidence to suggest Hamas shields behind civilians. Not a single reputable source has proven this claim tobe true. You claim not support Israel, yet parrot all of their talking points.

Israel – Hamas 2023 Symposium – What is and is not Human Shielding? - Lieber Institute West Point

Human shielding is all-too-common phenomenon of warfare. Yet, the legal concept is narrower than sometimes characterized.

lieber.westpoint.edu

President Biden has on numerous occasions charged Hamas with using civilians as human shields, as has European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen. The practice also took center stage at a 24 October UN Security Council meeting on the situation in Gaza. There, Secretary-General Guterres explained bluntly that “protecting civilians can never mean using them as human shields.” Secretary of State Antony Blinken agreed: “Palestinian civilians must be protected, and Hamas must cease to use them as human shields.” The UK Minister of State for Security, Tom Tugendhat, was more direct, charging, “We know that Hamas are using innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields; they have embedded themselves in civilian communities.” So too was Germany’s Foreign Minister, who warned, “We must not be fooled by Hamas’ playbook,” and stressed “their use of women and children in Gaza as human shields, and their hiding of weapons under supermarkets, apartment blocks and even hospitals.” Representatives of Belgium, Luxembourg, and Ukraine echoed such condemnation.

You claim not to support thse thst support Hamas but parrot all their talking points...

 

[zimbos05]

Is there any evidence that Hamas care about the people they represent?

They fight for their freedom and liberation...

Israel – Hamas 2023 Symposium – What is and is not Human Shielding? - Lieber Institute West Point

Human shielding is all-too-common phenomenon of warfare. Yet, the legal concept is narrower than sometimes characterized.

lieber.westpoint.edu

You claim not to support thse thst support Hamas but parrot all their talking points...

Your source is an organisation who is complicit in the genocide carried out against Palestine?

Remember that time the IDF went into a hospital and was like, "look, a schedule to watch over prisoners" and then it was quickly debunked as being a calendar for the days of the week.

President Biden has on numerous occasions charged Hamas with using civilians as human shields, as has European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen. The practice also took center stage at a 24 October UN Security Council meeting on the situation in Gaza. There, Secretary-General Guterres explained bluntly that “protecting civilians can never mean using them as human shields.” Secretary of State Antony Blinken agreed: “Palestinian civilians must be protected, and Hamas must cease to use them as human shields.” The UK Minister of State for Security, Tom Tugendhat, was more direct, charging, “We know that Hamas are using innocent Palestinian civilians as human shields; they have embedded themselves in civilian communities.” So too was Germany’s Foreign Minister, who warned, “We must not be fooled by Hamas’ playbook,” and stressed “their use of women and children in Gaza as human shields, and their hiding of weapons under supermarkets, apartment blocks and even hospitals.” Representatives of Belgium, Luxembourg, and Ukraine echoed such condemnation.

Of course, the sources are people complicit in supporting the Israeli regime. Do you remember the building Iran bombed? Those were in civilian neighbourhoods. Iran was not targeting civilians. They were targeting strategic Israeli military operations - which Israel purposely built in civilian neighbourhoods. Iran did not kill thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians. They were quite specific. Israel kills Palestinians discriminately. Hide behind the human shield excuse all you want, but Israel has been actively targeting and killing civilians, and has made it clear that that is their plan.

An Israeli government minister has vowed that “Gaza will be entirely destroyed” as a result of an Israeli military victory, and that its Palestinian population will “leave in great numbers to third countries”, raising fears of ethnic cleansing in the occupied territory.

The declaration on Tuesday by the finance minister, Bezalel Smotrich, came a day after Israel’s security cabinet approved a plan for Operation Gideon’s Chariots, which an Israeli official said would entail “the conquest of the Gaza Strip and the holding of the territories”.

 

[Football us life]

"people complicit in supporting the Israeli regime......"

As opposed to sources complicit in supporting proscribed terrorist organisations such ss Hamas and Hezbollah....

 

[zimbos05]

As opposed to sources complicit in supporting proscribed terrorist organisations such ss Hamas and Hezbollah....

Amnesty International? The United Nations? The Red Cross? The Guardian?

Anyway, it's clear you will never see the other side.

Hamas bad. Israel Good. Let's let the genocide continue.

Did you know, The US labelled Nelson Mandela as a terrorist until 2008. He was a president and a listed proscribed terrorist. Just because they tell you someone is, does not make it true.

 

[theFOOTBALLlover]

And at the same time, a global protest movement of rare size and emotional potency has filled our streets, social media and university campuses.

These two phenomena the anti-Jewish hate crimes and the anti-Israel protests seem to rise and fall together like clockwork every time Israel is at war, in a way that does not happen for any other overseas conflict.

Of course this doesn’t mean that every protester is antisemitic, far from it. Many have honourable motivations, and heaven knows there is plenty to despair about in this Gaza conflict. Still, the correlation between the protests and the hate crimes is striking....

The Hamas Charter, 1988, is a call for genocide against all Jews, worldwide, although of course special attention is paid to Israel. The belief that Israel doesn't deserve to exist, and that Jews don't deserve to live is the foundation of Palestinian resistance.

What do you think about 'Hamas' FOOTBALL lover?

What did youbthink about October the 7th??

You realize Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in Palestine with no issues before the Zionists expelled Palestinians from their land right?

If someone takes your home, you are allowed to retaliate. The western world created the UN but only follow their own rules when it suits them.

I believe in a free Palestine, where everyone can live together as they did before the Zionists turned up.

 

[Football us life]

Amnesty International? The United Nations? The Red Cross? The Guardian?

Anyway, it's clear you will never see the other side.

Hamas bad. Israel Good. Let's let the genocide continue.

Did you know, The US labelled Nelson Mandela as a terrorist until 2008. He was a president and a listed proscribed terrorist. Just because they tell you someone is, does not make it true.

So Hamas and Hezbollah are not terrorism groups?

The country in which you live in now begs to differ...

https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/what-australia-is-doing/terrorist-organisations/listed-terrorist-organisations

 

[zimbos05]

So Hamas and Hezbollah are not terrorism groups?

The country in which you live in now begs to differ...

https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/what-australia-is-doing/terrorist-organisations/listed-terrorist-organisations

Where did I say that they are not? Again, I don't support either of those groups. Before Hamas, there was the PLO, the PLF, Fatah, PFLP...all labelled as terrorist organisations. If it is not Hamas, it will be someone else, and the west will call them terrorists, simply because they fight for the liberation and freedom of their people. A liberation that has been under systemic oppression for 75 years.

In the words of Mandela, "One mans terrorist, is another mans freedom fighter."

Again, Mandela himself was a labelled terrorist until 2008. Lauded as a liberator and a freedom hero, yet was still being labelled a terrorist. Keep parroting all the same talking points. It's exactly how this genocide will continue.

 

[Football us life]

it is not Hamas, it will be someone else, and the west will call them terrorists, simply because they fight for the liberation

Since 2001, Australia has listed Hamas in its entirety as a terrorist entity for financial sanctions under part 4 of the Charter of the United Nations Act 1945, as part of implementing United Nations Security Council Resolution 1373.

Since when was the United Nations the 'West'....


Keep parroting all the same talking points. It's exactly how terrorism against democratic societies will continue.