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Joey Lynch hearing rumours that the Canberra W might be close to secured for a few more years. BUT only whispers at this stage.
I'll be real. Who gives a shit? The fact is without a men's team attached, no one really cares. It's just throwing good money after bad and there is nothing there to support the franchise. No academy, no stadium, no fans. We will be in the same position next year and the year after.
 
This wont be happening in my view.

Just far too slow to make any significant progress on anything.

I wonder if this dragging of the chain opens the door for another Queensland team to enter in the short term.
 
This wont be happening in my view.
Just far too slow to make any significant progress on anything.
I wonder if this dragging of the chain opens the door for another Queensland team to enter in the short term.

All comes down to money. I'm pretty sure the APL are open to anyone as long as the owner(s) are willing to pay the fee. Problem is, there aren't many owner(s) lining up to pay the fee. If there were, we'd already see this Canberra along with a Hobart team in the A-League.
 
All comes down to money. I'm pretty sure the APL are open to anyone as long as the owner(s) are willing to pay the fee. Problem is, there aren't many owner(s) lining up to pay the fee. If there were, we'd already see this Canberra along with a Hobart team in the A-League.

I think Gold Coast is still a big chance as next up. Overseas investment will be attracted to the Glitter strip.

Red Bull Gold Coast would be unbelievable.
 
I'll be real. Who gives a shit? The fact is without a men's team attached, no one really cares. It's just throwing good money after bad and there is nothing there to support the franchise. No academy, no stadium, no fans. We will be in the same position next year and the year after.
To be fair - as a women's only side, they do have an academy, and a suitably sized stadium (not owned by them, but by a local NPL club). The fans though...
 
The APL have been ok since Danny skipped town, but this has been a great disappointment. They let Canberra screw over the league for this season, and they've let them screw over the league for next season as well, holding off any other team ready to join.

If Canberra cared about the league they would've said "give us three or four years and you can expand elsewhere for now". This is just like when Rose pretended that there wasn't enough room for Jack on the door frame. Enjoy your slow painful death, Jack. Selfish cow.
 
The APL have been ok since Danny skipped town, but this has been a great disappointment. They let Canberra screw over the league for this season, and they've let them screw over the league for next season as well, holding off any other team ready to join.

If Canberra cared about the league they would've said "give us three or four years and you can expand elsewhere for now". This is just like when Rose pretended that there wasn't enough room for Jack on the door frame. Enjoy your slow painful death, Jack. Selfish cow.
Probably means it wasn’t Canberra’s decision then - much more likely it was the APL’s
 
Assuming the task of finding an owner with the required money could be set aside, and football could pick its ideal location for the next expansion team, I would take Woolongong. No one talks about it or seems to mention it. It is the type of place they could really build a loyal local following. Perfect stadium for an A- League team and, given it is never used, surely they could get a good deal just to get some events there. Given reasonable proximity to Sydney, it would also be boosted by away day trips of Syd FC and WSW fans. Would be a great ground to spend the day at the beach then head to the football late afternoon.

I really struggle to picture Canberra working out. The brumbies are well established and they are struggling in that market. If union was not there, would be tempting to put in a team, but too crowded as it is.
 
Assuming the task of finding an owner with the required money could be set aside, and football could pick its ideal location for the next expansion team, I would take Woolongong. No one talks about it or seems to mention it. It is the type of place they could really build a loyal local following. Perfect stadium for an A- League team and, given it is never used, surely they could get a good deal just to get some events there. Given reasonable proximity to Sydney, it would also be boosted by away day trips of Syd FC and WSW fans. Would be a great ground to spend the day at the beach then head to the football late afternoon.

I really struggle to picture Canberra working out. The brumbies are well established and they are struggling in that market. If union was not there, would be tempting to put in a team, but too crowded as it is.
Agree with you on Wollongong, that's always one of my picks to bring in.

Canberra, can probably go against what you've said (as in the reasonings), but agree with you as a whole for other reasons.
Rugby is struggling nationwide, so it's a bit harsh to put Brumbies current woes down to just Canberra as a whole. Canberra Raiders is probably the best benchmark to try and live up to.

In saying that, a lot of the struggles for our sporting teams in Canberra, is that they aren't AFL. Andrew Barr (the Chief Minister - Premier/Lord Mayor for other areas) has a hard on for AFL. Brumbies, Raiders and an A-League bid have been crying out for a new stadium - or even upgrades, for a long long time. Last time there was significant upgrades to GIO/Bruce Stadium I believe was for the 2000 Olympics.

What's going to happen to those sports that want an upgraded stadium, is he's going to keep getting small, incremental upgrades to Manuka Oval for the 3 GWS Giants games that the government pay more money than they've committed to an A-League bid for, and say "Oh, why do you want a new stadium now? I've upgraded Manuka Oval, use that"
 
Agree with you on Wollongong, that's always one of my picks to bring in.

Canberra, can probably go against what you've said (as in the reasonings), but agree with you as a whole for other reasons.
Rugby is struggling nationwide, so it's a bit harsh to put Brumbies current woes down to just Canberra as a whole. Canberra Raiders is probably the best benchmark to try and live up to.

In saying that, a lot of the struggles for our sporting teams in Canberra, is that they aren't AFL. Andrew Barr (the Chief Minister - Premier/Lord Mayor for other areas) has a hard on for AFL. Brumbies, Raiders and an A-League bid have been crying out for a new stadium - or even upgrades, for a long long time. Last time there was significant upgrades to GIO/Bruce Stadium I believe was for the 2000 Olympics.

What's going to happen to those sports that want an upgraded stadium, is he's going to keep getting small, incremental upgrades to Manuka Oval for the 3 GWS Giants games that the government pay more money than they've committed to an A-League bid for, and say "Oh, why do you want a new stadium now? I've upgraded Manuka Oval, use that"
Case in point:

The biggest loser: Who feels the sting when Canberra misses the World Cup?​

Caden Helmers

By Caden Helmers
January 29 2025 - 5:30am

So, Canberra will miss out on a World Cup. Again.
Canberra is set to be ignored when host cities for the 2027 Rugby World Cup are revealed this week, and so the blame game begins.
The ACT government refused to budge on a multimillion-dollar figure they deemed realistic for minnow nations. Political powerbrokers lose because they can't meet exorbitant cost demands and fans can't understand why.
Rugby officials lose out because one of their key markets will be dormant during the code's international showpiece.

The real losers here are Canberra fans, who will miss out on one of the biggest sporting events in the world.

Canberra is one of just four Super Rugby markets left standing in Australia. You can understand why rugby officials refused to make concessions to bring World Cup games to the city. But given Rugby Australia now has control of the ACT Brumbies and internationals would be a sure-fire way to generate hype around the code, there is a case to be made for doing anything they could to bring games to Canberra Stadium.
But minnow nations or not, the ACT government couldn't expect international rugby to be handed to them on a platter when other state governments are competing for content.
As for the last time the Rugby World Cup was held in Australia? Canberra Stadium hosted matches featuring Italy, Tonga, Wales and Canada during the 2003 edition with an average crowd of 20,482 across four fixtures.
Sure, rugby was in a different place back then, but it's a fair return for a city that is realistically never going to host a powerhouse like the All Blacks, Springboks or Ireland - no matter how convincing any plea from Canberra export Mack Hansen might be - during a major tournament.
Canberra fans will miss out on 2027 World Cup games. Pictures by Sitthixay Ditthavong, Keegan Carroll, Getty Images

Canberra fans will miss out on 2027 World Cup games. Pictures by Sitthixay Ditthavong, Keegan Carroll, Getty Images


You can understand the ACT government's logic when it comes to spending big money for smaller nations, but the 2023 FIFA Women's World Cup proved them wrong. The tournament was a huge success and Canberra watched from afar.

If we're talking value for money, is a lucrative deal to bring AFL games to Manuka Oval worth it?
The ACT government has a 10-year, $28.5 million deal with the GWS Giants to play games in Canberra. Sure, they'll spruik players visiting Canberra for one-day coaching clinics and development staff are getting around in orange and charcoal shirts.
But the deal is about bringing games - specifically, three AFL premiership fixtures, a pre-season game, and up to two AFLW matches - to Manuka Oval each year.
If the Giants deal is worth every cent for the Canberra community, why not invest in Rugby World Cup games for tourism benefits?

Maybe because Canberra is in dire need of a new stadium, but we're still waiting for one of those after more than a decade of feasibility studies and debates about locations. Tournament organisers had expressed concerns about the state of the stadium in Bruce. A stadium in the city would have solved those problems.

Rumours are swirling that the Matildas may actually play a game in Canberra soon. Not because of the government's stance on women's World Cup games, but because of the political doors Canberra games can open.

Imagine the Matildas coming to the capital when they are still a major drawcard, and when Football Australia can sell out stadiums around Australia with much bigger capacities than Canberra Stadium. If the money saved from the World Cup is put towards other international fixtures, then fans can salvage something from the wreckage.
 
Yes you are buddy.

'I'm not an AFL stooge': Barr defends rugby World Cup decision, reveals $10m'offer'​

Caden Helmers

By Caden Helmers
Updated January 30 2025 - 3:25pm, first published 10:14am

Andrew Barr has fired back at the idea he is "a stooge for a southern code" after Canberra was overlooked as a host city for the Rugby World Cup, revealing a $10 million "offer" for four matches was knocked back by tournament organisers, while defending a heavy investment in AFL games to Manuka Oval.
Canberra fans will have to watch from the sidelines during the 2027 tournament after the ACT government and tournament officials failed to strike a deal despite more than two years' worth of negotiations.

The result has left rugby fans fuming about being left out of one of the biggest sporting events in the world, with the ACT government now under fire for a 10-year, $28.5 million investment to bring GWS Giants games to Canberra.
But Barr has shot back at people claiming rugby is not a priority for the Chief Minister, who they say would rather sink millions into a western Sydney-based AFL team.

Barr also claimed the government offered a $2-3 million per game "package" to World Cup officials. But it can be revealed the "package" referred the revenue from the game, not the cost to the ACT coffers.
"I've been to more than 100 Brumbies games over my time. I've been following them since they came into the competition in 1995," Barr said on ABC Radio.
"I was born in northern NSW. I've lived in Canberra for 47 years, so this idea that somehow I am a stooge for a southern code is, is an interesting proposition. People have favourite sports, they don't like other sports. There are 470,000 Canberrans, half of them don't care about sport at all, but the ones that do will follow a variety of different codes and they have a variety of different views.
"In the end, we have AFL, rugby league, rugby union, football, basketball, baseball, netball, we have all the sports covered and we seek in balancing our event budget and our sport and recreation budget to provide opportunities for every sport.
Andrew Barr has fired back at critics after Canberra missed out on World Cup games. Pictures by Karleen Minney, Keegan Carroll

Andrew Barr has fired back at critics after Canberra missed out on World Cup games. Pictures by Karleen Minney, Keegan Carroll


"The package we put to the tournament organisers was between $2 and $3 million per game, so an $8 million to $12 million package for those four games.
"If only half the seats were sold, they'd make $8 million. If they sold three-quarters of the seats, they'd make about $10 million. If all the seats were sold, they stood to make $12 million.
"The estimates and the pitch to us was that we might get about $9 million of value. But we would have been shelled out a considerable amount of money, and the opportunity cost that's lost there is events that return significantly more."

Barr also shut down the idea Canberra Stadium played a factor in the decision despite tournament organisers expressing concern about the ageing facility, declaring the final call was "all about money ... If the money was there, they were taking it."
ACT government officials are adamant their offer for "category C" World Cup fixtures - included provision of a rent free commercially clean match venue, marketing support, support for the provision of a fan zone, integrated ticketing and free public transport - was realistic and financially responsible.

The offer amounted to about $2.5 million for each match, based on 75 per cent capacity attendance at each match including ticket sale and hospitality revenue.
Canberra Stadium boasted an average crowd figure of 20,482 across four fixtures during the 2003 edition which featured Italy, Tonga, Wales and Canada.

Pressed on whether the AFL investment is worth it, Barr's counterargument was the ACT would be the only state or territory missing out on elite level AFL if the deal was ripped off the table.

However now Canberra - home to one of just four Australian Super Rugby teams - will miss out on Rugby World Cup games, despite fixtures being awarded to non-traditional rugby union markets in Newcastle and Adelaide.

"But we do have soccer, and we do have rugby union, and we have obviously local teams that we support. We also secure matches that involve either those local teams or indeed our national team playing in those sports," Barr said.

"An example for this year is of course the Brumbies versus the British and Irish Lions. That's supporting our team playing against a quality international opponent at our venue."

Barr says an investment into the Brumbies - who have walked a financial tightrope in recent years - remains the territory's biggest professional rugby priority, while vowing to continue supporting other Canberra teams such as Canberra United, who face an uncertain future beyond this season after being saved by a $200,000 bailout by the government last year.

"We do provide more money for those local sporting teams and we anticipate given some of the events that are transpiring in some of those sporting codes that we'll need to provide even more money," Barr said.

"We often are the largest financial supporter of those local teams. Without the ACT government, they wouldn't exist."
 
Yes you are buddy.

'I'm not an AFL stooge': Barr defends rugby World Cup decision, reveals $10m'offer'​

Caden Helmers

By Caden Helmers
Updated January 30 2025 - 3:25pm, first published 10:14am

Andrew Barr has fired back at the idea he is "a stooge for a southern code" after Canberra was overlooked as a host city for the Rugby World Cup, revealing a $10 million "offer" for four matches was knocked back by tournament organisers, while defending a heavy investment in AFL games to Manuka Oval.
Canberra fans will have to watch from the sidelines during the 2027 tournament after the ACT government and tournament officials failed to strike a deal despite more than two years' worth of negotiations.

The result has left rugby fans fuming about being left out of one of the biggest sporting events in the world, with the ACT government now under fire for a 10-year, $28.5 million investment to bring GWS Giants games to Canberra.
But Barr has shot back at people claiming rugby is not a priority for the Chief Minister, who they say would rather sink millions into a western Sydney-based AFL team.

Barr also claimed the government offered a $2-3 million per game "package" to World Cup officials. But it can be revealed the "package" referred the revenue from the game, not the cost to the ACT coffers.
"I've been to more than 100 Brumbies games over my time. I've been following them since they came into the competition in 1995," Barr said on ABC Radio.
"I was born in northern NSW. I've lived in Canberra for 47 years, so this idea that somehow I am a stooge for a southern code is, is an interesting proposition. People have favourite sports, they don't like other sports. There are 470,000 Canberrans, half of them don't care about sport at all, but the ones that do will follow a variety of different codes and they have a variety of different views.
"In the end, we have AFL, rugby league, rugby union, football, basketball, baseball, netball, we have all the sports covered and we seek in balancing our event budget and our sport and recreation budget to provide opportunities for every sport.
Andrew Barr has fired back at critics after Canberra missed out on World Cup games. Pictures by Karleen Minney, Keegan Carroll

Andrew Barr has fired back at critics after Canberra missed out on World Cup games. Pictures by Karleen Minney, Keegan Carroll


"The package we put to the tournament organisers was between $2 and $3 million per game, so an $8 million to $12 million package for those four games.
"If only half the seats were sold, they'd make $8 million. If they sold three-quarters of the seats, they'd make about $10 million. If all the seats were sold, they stood to make $12 million.
"The estimates and the pitch to us was that we might get about $9 million of value. But we would have been shelled out a considerable amount of money, and the opportunity cost that's lost there is events that return significantly more."

Barr also shut down the idea Canberra Stadium played a factor in the decision despite tournament organisers expressing concern about the ageing facility, declaring the final call was "all about money ... If the money was there, they were taking it."
ACT government officials are adamant their offer for "category C" World Cup fixtures - included provision of a rent free commercially clean match venue, marketing support, support for the provision of a fan zone, integrated ticketing and free public transport - was realistic and financially responsible.

The offer amounted to about $2.5 million for each match, based on 75 per cent capacity attendance at each match including ticket sale and hospitality revenue.
Canberra Stadium boasted an average crowd figure of 20,482 across four fixtures during the 2003 edition which featured Italy, Tonga, Wales and Canada.

Pressed on whether the AFL investment is worth it, Barr's counterargument was the ACT would be the only state or territory missing out on elite level AFL if the deal was ripped off the table.

However now Canberra - home to one of just four Australian Super Rugby teams - will miss out on Rugby World Cup games, despite fixtures being awarded to non-traditional rugby union markets in Newcastle and Adelaide.

"But we do have soccer, and we do have rugby union, and we have obviously local teams that we support. We also secure matches that involve either those local teams or indeed our national team playing in those sports," Barr said.

"An example for this year is of course the Brumbies versus the British and Irish Lions. That's supporting our team playing against a quality international opponent at our venue."

Barr says an investment into the Brumbies - who have walked a financial tightrope in recent years - remains the territory's biggest professional rugby priority, while vowing to continue supporting other Canberra teams such as Canberra United, who face an uncertain future beyond this season after being saved by a $200,000 bailout by the government last year.

"We do provide more money for those local sporting teams and we anticipate given some of the events that are transpiring in some of those sporting codes that we'll need to provide even more money," Barr said.

"We often are the largest financial supporter of those local teams. Without the ACT government, they wouldn't exist."
some comments from Canberra Times punters:
I don't think people actually think Andrew is an AFL stooge or that Aussie Rules shouldn't get any funding. But it's the comparatively high level of funding the AFL get from the Canberra taxpayer for a Sydney based team that gets up people's noses. The Canberra Times did a detailed analysis a few months back that highlighted the large discrepancies between the government's AFL funding and what was given to a local team like the Raiders where the government recouped much of their funding by charging ground hire fees for each match at Canberra Stadium.

The Raiders 365 days a year, represent the region and spend tens of millions of dollars into Canberra through the players, support and operations, and it's a similar story for the Brumbies, Capitals, Canberra United, Brave, Calvary etc. GWS on the other hand fly in and fly out a few times a year and walk away with millions.
Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words, Barr shows his disdain for rectangular field sports everyday by making absolutely zero progress on a new stadium that HE proposed around 15 years ago.
Let the facts speak for themselves. Tens of millions have gone to an AFL team, while we missed out on the global and massively successful Women's Football World Cup, and now this. Oh, and how often does Barr sit in the stand at the Brumbies with actual fans, and not being pampered in a corporate box?!
“I’ve been to more than 100 Brumbies games over my time”. I personally would call this a total untruth (as we know politicians don’t lie!). I know for a fact that over the past 5 years, his attendance would be flat out being more than 1 game a season and that is because he can only meet with particular people at thee game. Oh, I suppose the “100” is once again him using his amazing mathematical skills he has shown over many years.

A stadium with a roof would encourage more sporting fans to travel from interstate. I know this. And often they stay overnight. Canberra is lacking a proper economy, we can't just be reliant on public service office workers. We also need facilities for quality of life. The problem is that the leaders of Canberra are doing a bad job of managing and building an economy, have poor foresight and delivering any practical outcome is rare. Where is the incentive for business? A town reliant solely on public service just doesn't cut it.

The Chief Minister is 100% a stooge - we miss every other code, don’t support local grassroots teams or other local sports and yet we pay Greater Western Sydney approx $30 over ten years for a handful of games a year. This also means that Manuka Oval is mostly off limits to local teams because of GWS requirements.

Interesting that the CM says he's followed the Brumbies since they entered the competition in 1995 when the Brumbies were actually formed in 1996.

Perhaps the CT can ask MR Barr how many Brumbies games he has attended in the past 5 years? Whilst at it, how many Raiders games and then how many Giants games. Work out what percentage it is and I'm betting that Brumbies/Raiders is around 5%, GWS is around 95% and that doesn't take into account the games he is a "special guest of the Giants", in Sydney...

Pathetic effort by the government and even more pathetic response by Barr. Do better.
 
some comments from Canberra Times punters:
Could the tram and Barr's contract with GWS perhaps explain why the infrastructure is lacking? Why ACT Basketball has been waiting so long for a new stadium? Why a new rectangular field stadium is still so many reviews deep and still no sign of progress as far as even a design? Don't worry, those questions are all rhetorical.

It's about how much support you provide local teams playing all their home matches in Canberra as opposed to a team from Western Sydney playing a few games in this city Andrew. Your bias to AFL is obvious. No mention of Capitals, Cavalry or Raiders.
 
Bloody hell, makes Melbourne feel like AFL haters in comparison....
Mate this guy wishes Canberra could be Melbourne. This whole article/interview where he thinks he's adequately trying to justify AFL investment over everything else just reeks of diversion.

I can't remember if it was on here, or on the old forum, but I need to do this breakdown of government funding for professional/elite sports by the ACT Government, based on a per game basis.
 
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