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Summary: Trump has made a deal so bad for the Ukraine that he can walk away from it and say 'we tried' and wash his hands from it.
A complete capitulation to Russia.
inews.co.uk
If these peace terms are as reported, they are a historic betrayal. Nothing in American history would come near to it. It would side the US squarely and definitively with dictatorship. It would mark the collapse of Western values across the Atlantic.
You can write about this stuff over and over again. You can print page after page and commit sentence after sentence, but the cold reality of the words still strikes you like a slap to the face. The brutal, remorseless logic of what is happening is almost impossible to bear. And yet, if we have any chance of getting through this period with our principles intact, it will be by speaking honestly and precisely about what is taking place.
An Axios news agency report – rejected by the Kremlin – says that Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg will hand a full US-approved peace proposal to Ukrainian officials during a meeting in London on Wednesday. If that deal is as reported, it is a near-complete capitulation to Russian demands.
The core concession it makes to Russia is to grant formal US recognition of the Crimea, which Vladimir Putin invaded in 2014. People occasionally like to adopt a mock-realist tone and insist that Russia was always going to end up with Crimea. It was occupied before the current hostilities, so granting it to Russia would recognise what’s been an on-the-ground reality for a decade.
In reality, this would not be a reversion to the status quo; it would be the creation of a new global paradigm. It grants an aggressive imperialist state territory precisely on the basis of its aggressive imperialist activity. It would be the first time since the end of the Second World War that a country in Europe has secured territory in this way. It is a return – a vigorous, rapid return – to the world of the early 20th century, to an international order defined by might alone.
Ukraine has rejected this proposal. Its fight for Crimea is not just about its territory but about the territory of every state in Europe and the safety of every citizen in Europe. If Crimea is handed to Russia, the message is clear: you can invade, you can murder, you can terrorise, and you can ethnically cleanse. And then, when you’re done, the international community will recognise your achievement. It is an invitation to tyrants everywhere to do as they please.
In addition to this, the US would offer de facto recognition of territory under Russian occupation since 2022: Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. According to the Financial Times, Putin has jumped on this offer and offered to freeze the invasion along the current front lines.
Of course, he has. He’s not getting everything he wants, but he’s getting everything he needs.
Donald Trump’s next concessions to Russia are to remove all US sanctions on the country and open up unprecedented degrees of US-Russian cooperation. This is the removal of the chief Russian vulnerability.
Russia is isolated from the international community at precisely the time that it is turning into a war economy. It spent approximately £115.9bn on defence in 2024 – or 6.7 per cent of GDP.
There is a lively debate about how badly pummelled it is. Some believe it can survive its economic problems fine. Others believe it is reaching a crisis point, but it is unclear when it will hit – perhaps in five years, three, or one. Others still think it is on the brink of financial disaster. The middle view is the most popular but is also the vaguest.
We do not know how long the combination of sanctions and massive military spending will take to break Russia. But we know one thing: it is our chief advantage against Putin as the war slowly grinds away on the battlefield. It offers a deliverable plan for smashing the imperialist state. Trump is intent not just on giving Putin what he wants but on removing all viable Western opposition.
If enacted, US and Chinese financial support would flood into Russia, rebuilding its economy and replenishing its military. Frozen Russian assets would be returned, removing potential funding schemes to help Ukraine repair. So, of course, Putin is willing to freeze along the current front line. He gets the chance to build back and can restart the invasion later, with the sure knowledge that a Trumpified US will recognise whichever territorial gains he secures in the second wave.
What is there for Ukraine? Nothing. Trump says it cannot join Nato – a once-galling commitment that now seems basically irrelevant given that Trump’s hatred for America’s Western allies has effectively made Nato redundant anyway. The deal says – and for some reason, this might be its most irritating part – that the US will not prevent Ukraine from joining the EU. This is not in America’s gift. It is up to Ukraine and the EU whether it attains membership. The fact this is even written is a sign that Trump shares precisely the imperialist attributes of the Russian President.
There is a supposed “security guarantee”, but no details about how it would work or any mention of US involvement. It states that Europeans will do some peacekeeping – a recognition of Keir Starmer’s coalition of the willing, which the Trump administration has spent so much time disparaging.
Ukraine cannot accept this deal. To do so would precipitate its eradication as a sovereign state and initiate the complete abolition of the post-war international order in Europe. But whether it declines or not, we face the same basic outcome. It is the outcome which has been presented to us, over and over again, since Trump came to power. America is an ally of Russia. It is an enemy of liberal democracy. It will not help Ukraine.
Only Europe can now stand up to tyranny. Only Europe can guard the wall of civilisation against barbarism. We are going to have to give everything to equip Ukraine in that fight: money, technology, operational assistance. It will be painful. It will be thankless. It will come with no guarantees whatsoever about ultimate victory. But there are no other options. Either Europe stands for freedom, or it signs its own death warrant.
A complete capitulation to Russia.
Trump's betrayal of Ukraine is complete
Ukraine simply cannot accept this peace deal with Russia
inews.co.uk
If these peace terms are as reported, they are a historic betrayal. Nothing in American history would come near to it. It would side the US squarely and definitively with dictatorship. It would mark the collapse of Western values across the Atlantic.
You can write about this stuff over and over again. You can print page after page and commit sentence after sentence, but the cold reality of the words still strikes you like a slap to the face. The brutal, remorseless logic of what is happening is almost impossible to bear. And yet, if we have any chance of getting through this period with our principles intact, it will be by speaking honestly and precisely about what is taking place.
An Axios news agency report – rejected by the Kremlin – says that Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg will hand a full US-approved peace proposal to Ukrainian officials during a meeting in London on Wednesday. If that deal is as reported, it is a near-complete capitulation to Russian demands.
The core concession it makes to Russia is to grant formal US recognition of the Crimea, which Vladimir Putin invaded in 2014. People occasionally like to adopt a mock-realist tone and insist that Russia was always going to end up with Crimea. It was occupied before the current hostilities, so granting it to Russia would recognise what’s been an on-the-ground reality for a decade.
In reality, this would not be a reversion to the status quo; it would be the creation of a new global paradigm. It grants an aggressive imperialist state territory precisely on the basis of its aggressive imperialist activity. It would be the first time since the end of the Second World War that a country in Europe has secured territory in this way. It is a return – a vigorous, rapid return – to the world of the early 20th century, to an international order defined by might alone.
Ukraine has rejected this proposal. Its fight for Crimea is not just about its territory but about the territory of every state in Europe and the safety of every citizen in Europe. If Crimea is handed to Russia, the message is clear: you can invade, you can murder, you can terrorise, and you can ethnically cleanse. And then, when you’re done, the international community will recognise your achievement. It is an invitation to tyrants everywhere to do as they please.
In addition to this, the US would offer de facto recognition of territory under Russian occupation since 2022: Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. According to the Financial Times, Putin has jumped on this offer and offered to freeze the invasion along the current front lines.
Of course, he has. He’s not getting everything he wants, but he’s getting everything he needs.
Donald Trump’s next concessions to Russia are to remove all US sanctions on the country and open up unprecedented degrees of US-Russian cooperation. This is the removal of the chief Russian vulnerability.
Russia is isolated from the international community at precisely the time that it is turning into a war economy. It spent approximately £115.9bn on defence in 2024 – or 6.7 per cent of GDP.
There is a lively debate about how badly pummelled it is. Some believe it can survive its economic problems fine. Others believe it is reaching a crisis point, but it is unclear when it will hit – perhaps in five years, three, or one. Others still think it is on the brink of financial disaster. The middle view is the most popular but is also the vaguest.
We do not know how long the combination of sanctions and massive military spending will take to break Russia. But we know one thing: it is our chief advantage against Putin as the war slowly grinds away on the battlefield. It offers a deliverable plan for smashing the imperialist state. Trump is intent not just on giving Putin what he wants but on removing all viable Western opposition.
If enacted, US and Chinese financial support would flood into Russia, rebuilding its economy and replenishing its military. Frozen Russian assets would be returned, removing potential funding schemes to help Ukraine repair. So, of course, Putin is willing to freeze along the current front line. He gets the chance to build back and can restart the invasion later, with the sure knowledge that a Trumpified US will recognise whichever territorial gains he secures in the second wave.
What is there for Ukraine? Nothing. Trump says it cannot join Nato – a once-galling commitment that now seems basically irrelevant given that Trump’s hatred for America’s Western allies has effectively made Nato redundant anyway. The deal says – and for some reason, this might be its most irritating part – that the US will not prevent Ukraine from joining the EU. This is not in America’s gift. It is up to Ukraine and the EU whether it attains membership. The fact this is even written is a sign that Trump shares precisely the imperialist attributes of the Russian President.
There is a supposed “security guarantee”, but no details about how it would work or any mention of US involvement. It states that Europeans will do some peacekeeping – a recognition of Keir Starmer’s coalition of the willing, which the Trump administration has spent so much time disparaging.
Ukraine cannot accept this deal. To do so would precipitate its eradication as a sovereign state and initiate the complete abolition of the post-war international order in Europe. But whether it declines or not, we face the same basic outcome. It is the outcome which has been presented to us, over and over again, since Trump came to power. America is an ally of Russia. It is an enemy of liberal democracy. It will not help Ukraine.
Only Europe can now stand up to tyranny. Only Europe can guard the wall of civilisation against barbarism. We are going to have to give everything to equip Ukraine in that fight: money, technology, operational assistance. It will be painful. It will be thankless. It will come with no guarantees whatsoever about ultimate victory. But there are no other options. Either Europe stands for freedom, or it signs its own death warrant.
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??? Attend what exactly? An exhibiiton match for a closed off league where sporting results are meaningless, to buy merchandise in support of a foreign investor??? Nah I'll leave that to the plastics and the eurosnobs with foreign teams in their profiles . I only watch real Australian football live.
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How nice of Trumpistan to allow Ukraine to join the EU...Summary: Trump has made a deal so bad for the Ukraine that he can walk away from it and say 'we tried' and was his hands from it.
A complete capitulation to Russia.
Trump's betrayal of Ukraine is complete
Ukraine simply cannot accept this peace deal with Russia
If these peace terms are as reported, they are a historic betrayal. Nothing in American history would come near to it. It would side the US squarely and definitively with dictatorship. It would mark the collapse of Western values across the Atlantic.
You can write about this stuff over and over again. You can print page after page and commit sentence after sentence, but the cold reality of the words still strikes you like a slap to the face. The brutal, remorseless logic of what is happening is almost impossible to bear. And yet, if we have any chance of getting through this period with our principles intact, it will be by speaking honestly and precisely about what is taking place.
An Axios news agency report – rejected by the Kremlin – says that Ukraine envoy Keith Kellogg will hand a full US-approved peace proposal to Ukrainian officials during a meeting in London on Wednesday. If that deal is as reported, it is a near-complete capitulation to Russian demands.
The core concession it makes to Russia is to grant formal US recognition of the Crimea, which Vladimir Putin invaded in 2014. People occasionally like to adopt a mock-realist tone and insist that Russia was always going to end up with Crimea. It was occupied before the current hostilities, so granting it to Russia would recognise what’s been an on-the-ground reality for a decade.
In reality, this would not be a reversion to the status quo; it would be the creation of a new global paradigm. It grants an aggressive imperialist state territory precisely on the basis of its aggressive imperialist activity. It would be the first time since the end of the Second World War that a country in Europe has secured territory in this way. It is a return – a vigorous, rapid return – to the world of the early 20th century, to an international order defined by might alone.
Ukraine has rejected this proposal. Its fight for Crimea is not just about its territory but about the territory of every state in Europe and the safety of every citizen in Europe. If Crimea is handed to Russia, the message is clear: you can invade, you can murder, you can terrorise, and you can ethnically cleanse. And then, when you’re done, the international community will recognise your achievement. It is an invitation to tyrants everywhere to do as they please.
In addition to this, the US would offer de facto recognition of territory under Russian occupation since 2022: Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. According to the Financial Times, Putin has jumped on this offer and offered to freeze the invasion along the current front lines.
Of course, he has. He’s not getting everything he wants, but he’s getting everything he needs.
Donald Trump’s next concessions to Russia are to remove all US sanctions on the country and open up unprecedented degrees of US-Russian cooperation. This is the removal of the chief Russian vulnerability.
Russia is isolated from the international community at precisely the time that it is turning into a war economy. It spent approximately £115.9bn on defence in 2024 – or 6.7 per cent of GDP.
There is a lively debate about how badly pummelled it is. Some believe it can survive its economic problems fine. Others believe it is reaching a crisis point, but it is unclear when it will hit – perhaps in five years, three, or one. Others still think it is on the brink of financial disaster. The middle view is the most popular but is also the vaguest.
We do not know how long the combination of sanctions and massive military spending will take to break Russia. But we know one thing: it is our chief advantage against Putin as the war slowly grinds away on the battlefield. It offers a deliverable plan for smashing the imperialist state. Trump is intent not just on giving Putin what he wants but on removing all viable Western opposition.
If enacted, US and Chinese financial support would flood into Russia, rebuilding its economy and replenishing its military. Frozen Russian assets would be returned, removing potential funding schemes to help Ukraine repair. So, of course, Putin is willing to freeze along the current front line. He gets the chance to build back and can restart the invasion later, with the sure knowledge that a Trumpified US will recognise whichever territorial gains he secures in the second wave.
What is there for Ukraine? Nothing. Trump says it cannot join Nato – a once-galling commitment that now seems basically irrelevant given that Trump’s hatred for America’s Western allies has effectively made Nato redundant anyway. The deal says – and for some reason, this might be its most irritating part – that the US will not prevent Ukraine from joining the EU. This is not in America’s gift. It is up to Ukraine and the EU whether it attains membership. The fact this is even written is a sign that Trump shares precisely the imperialist attributes of the Russian President.
There is a supposed “security guarantee”, but no details about how it would work or any mention of US involvement. It states that Europeans will do some peacekeeping – a recognition of Keir Starmer’s coalition of the willing, which the Trump administration has spent so much time disparaging.
Ukraine cannot accept this deal. To do so would precipitate its eradication as a sovereign state and initiate the complete abolition of the post-war international order in Europe. But whether it declines or not, we face the same basic outcome. It is the outcome which has been presented to us, over and over again, since Trump came to power. America is an ally of Russia. It is an enemy of liberal democracy. It will not help Ukraine.
Only Europe can now stand up to tyranny. Only Europe can guard the wall of civilisation against barbarism. We are going to have to give everything to equip Ukraine in that fight: money, technology, operational assistance. It will be painful. It will be thankless. It will come with no guarantees whatsoever about ultimate victory. But there are no other options. Either Europe stands for freedom, or it signs its own death warrant.
As for EU guarding civilisation against tyranny, maybe they can start by defending one of their own sovereign nations that has been 1/2 under foreign occupation for the past 50 years first... maybe then they can stop the same thing happening in Ukraine.... lying, spineless, money grubbing, inbred euro-fascists.
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Ah here we go - well bugga casting the net for people’s need today against a persons word and experience watching that channel re politics be 4corners Q&A yadda yadda types of programs far longer than you have.
They may sit in the middle at times and many times not and are huge influence on topics I see differently.
Muz let’s just stick to football between us for we’re poles apart in some subjects and maybe in some alike - pretty normal but I don’t have to prove anything to you asking for sauce but my word as mentioned.
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Also trumps tariff plan and Ukraine negotiations going as well as expected. Folded like fuck on the tariffs
I actually hope he can get something done in Ukraine but he’s clearly given Russia everything. How do you say ‘just stop here and take it all and it’s over’. FMD, and surely in a negotiation you want to make sure the side you are on is seen with a strong hand, which he is doing te opposite of.
I actually hope he can get something done in Ukraine but he’s clearly given Russia everything. How do you say ‘just stop here and take it all and it’s over’. FMD, and surely in a negotiation you want to make sure the side you are on is seen with a strong hand, which he is doing te opposite of.
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"Until February, the Conservatives enjoyed a 25 point lead over the Liberals.
Pollsters gave the Tories a 99% chance of winning if an election were called at the time with one of the largest parliamentary majorities in decades."
Be interesting to see the result after Trump weighed in
Pollsters gave the Tories a 99% chance of winning if an election were called at the time with one of the largest parliamentary majorities in decades."
Be interesting to see the result after Trump weighed in
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DemosAU combined poll of Dickson, Forde, Bonner, Longman, Petrie with 0.4% 2PP swing to Labor.
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The ‘X factor’ playing out in Dutton’s own Brisbane seat
New polling suggests the Coalition is fending off a push by Labor to target its seats in outer suburban Brisbane, including the electorate of Dickson.
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