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Barca, besides the complications we obviously have weak power brokers plain and simple and looked as such.

IMO this also highlights right now the divide in our game being weak as a power broker.
We have 2 sides that don't play as 1, being 1 we'd have some clout to present our case.
Both those other codes have strong following because they have the best of the best - we don't.
So the sell is water down.
IF we had a strong 1st open comp I would expect crowds would grow and have a better outlook overall and open the game up that the other don't have.
Linking right down imo is our main weapon to growth and sell to Gov funding.
 
LFC said:
Barca, besides the complications we obviously have weak power brokers plain and simple and looked as such.

IMO this also highlights right now the divide in our game being weak as a power broker.
We have 2 sides that don't play as 1, being 1 we'd have some clout to present our case.
Both those other codes have strong following because they have the best of the best - we don't.
So the sell is water down.
IF we had a strong 1st open comp I would expect crowds would grow and have a better outlook overall and open the game up that the other don't have.
Linking right down imo is our main weapon to growth and sell to Gov funding.
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Fair points LFC, it would help football was more unified and had a strong vision to grow the sport at all levels.

It easy to blame the govt and say they dont like football or whatever but the reality is the game is seen as the poor cousin compared to most of the codes and hasn't been strong enough to go to to get their fair share.
F Lowy tried but it slowed after the dreadful World Cup bid.

We pretty much rely on World Cup appearances and a-league grand finals for relevance and funding which is good but also is bad because we don't have a strong foundation that exists in football mad countries just see Asia as an example, I can't imagine the sport would be treated differently if the Socceroos didn't qualify for the World Cup and that the idea that the govt. would start taking it more seriously from that would be naive given the history of the sport here.
 
My major peeve on infrastructure is that Melbourne does not have a 45,000 - 50,000 rectangular stadium to be used by the 3 rectangular codes. The MCG is awful for watching football. Marvel is ok but the AFL will rarely allow use of it.

As an aside - this is the type of development we should be looking at. 12,000 seats should be an ideal size for a second Brisbane side / ipswich side in the future.

 
If A League franchises attendance figures keep on declining, A League franchises tv numbers keep declining and A League franchises mainstream media coverage keeps declining then there will be no more talk of 'expansion'.

You'll be looking at 'stagnation' or perhaps 'contraction'.

Its even possible the A League franchise competition might be looking at 'expiration' in 2 years.

Or at best....

3 years tops!
 
patjennings said:
My major peeve on infrastructure is that Melbourne does not have a 45,000 - 50,000 rectangular stadium to be used by the 3 rectangular codes. The MCG is awful for watching football. Marvel is ok but the AFL will rarely allow use of it.

As an aside - this is the type of development we should be looking at. 12,000 seats should be an ideal size for a second Brisbane side / ipswich side in the future.

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45,000-50,000 is a bit of a pipe dream considering the attendance rate(s) these post covid years. AAMI (30,000) is used by rugby and football, there not quite at 45-50 thousand but its the best place to watch a football game here in Melbourne (IMO). Lakeside is pretty suitable for a mid sized crowd and Knight;s stadium is currently being 'upgraded' so we will see how that goes.
 
The Flying Bat said:
If A League franchises attendance figures keep on declining, A League franchises tv numbers keep declining and A League franchises mainstream media coverage keeps declining then there will be no more talk of 'expansion'.

You'll be looking at 'stagnation' or perhaps 'contraction'.

Its even possible the A League franchise competition might be looking at 'expiration' in 2 years.

Or at best....

3 years tops!
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I thought that the TV were numbers were actually growing if I'm not mistaken...
 
Ange's high line said:
Hope the NST really kicks off & APL can be put out of its misery, honestly.
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Which in the long run is probably the best outcome for football in Australia....

The A League franchises competition is really Australian football showing delusions of grandeur.

Regional or States based club competitions played in autumn/ winter with a Champions League format played in the spring would be a great outcome for the game. Let's get this franchise licence nonsense out of football and let the football club’s back in to get football going once again.
 
The Flying Bat said:
Which in the long run is probably the best outcome for football in Australia....

The A League franchises competition is really Australian football showing delusions of grandeur.

Regional or States based club competitions played in autumn/ winter with a Champions League format played in the spring would be a great outcome for the game. Let's get this franchise licence nonsense out of football and let the football club’s back in to get football going once again.
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Well why doesn't the npl get good attendance/viewership now then and do you think honestly think If they were the number one competition they would do better?
 
The Flying Bat said:
If A League franchises attendance figures keep on declining, A League franchises tv numbers keep declining and A League franchises mainstream media coverage keeps declining then there will be no more talk of 'expansion'.

You'll be looking at 'stagnation' or perhaps 'contraction'.

Its even possible the A League franchise competition might be looking at 'expiration' in 2 years.

Or at best....

3 years tops!
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Don't know about that man. Attendances up, ratings up, media up. Although I think not to pre-COVID levels yet.

And I think they've already been through the contraction phase. With COVID and blowing away $$$ and a pitch invasion, they've been forced to contract, spend less and play the kids.

Any further contraction probably is extinction. But people have been saying "5 years tops" for the last 20 years haha. But it's very precarious right now, one week at a time.
 
HappyGuus said:
Don't know about that man. Attendances up, ratings up, media up. Although I think not to pre-COVID levels yet.

And I think they've already been through the contraction phase. With COVID and blowing away $$$ and a pitch invasion, they've been forced to contract, spend less and play the kids.

Any further contraction probably is extinction. But people have been saying "5 years tops" for the last 20 years haha. But it's very precarious right now, one week at a time.
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Yes, I think that CCM winning the last couple of years has been great for the League. I had thought it was doomed, but it seems to have a new lease of life. Sydney FC and Victory have needed to get their acts in order, and seem to have done so. Onward and upward from here I expect.

Coupled with the start of the NST Football in Australia is finally ready to make an impact.
 
Hillbilly55 said:
Yes, I think that CCM winning the last couple of years has been great for the League. I had thought it was doomed, but it seems to have a new lease of life. Sydney FC and Victory have needed to get their acts in order, and seem to have done so. Onward and upward from here I expect.

Coupled with the start of the NST Football in Australia is finally ready to make an impact.
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for all those saying "3 years tops" the last two decades it really does seem to be a sustainable model having billionaires blow money on the league
it also lasted 27 years the community club model and who knows if it lasts forever if it wasnt cast aside

so why not have both haha
 
Hillbilly55 said:
Yes, I think that CCM winning the last couple of years has been great for the League. I had thought it was doomed, but it seems to have a new lease of life. Sydney FC and Victory have needed to get their acts in order, and seem to have done so. Onward and upward from here I expect.

Coupled with the start of the NST Football in Australia is finally ready to make an impact.
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Mariners are an interesting case. I agree that them winning has been great for the spirit of the league, but I am disappointed that their attendances haven't risen anywhere near where it should've. It's probably been the biggest disappointment for me.

Victory and Roar have had their excuses for down crowds, and they need to get a move on now. But Mariners have won everything and it's barely nudged the regular attendances. It's a worry IMO. Another few years and Macarthur might actually catch them!
 
melbcityguy said:
Well why doesn't the npl get good attendance/viewership now then and do you think honestly think If they were the number one competition they would do better?
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I think the youtube viewership is pretty decent for some of the bigger npl teams, cup games also have good attendance. But as soon as the season hits around June / July the attendance plummets, can't really blame people for not wanting to go to semi-pro football games in 10 degree weather.
 
southoftheyarra said:
45,000-50,000 is a bit of a pipe dream considering the attendance rate(s) these post covid years. AAMI (30,000) is used by rugby and football, there not quite at 45-50 thousand but its the best place to watch a football game here in Melbourne (IMO). Lakeside is pretty suitable for a mid sized crowd and Knight;s stadium is currently being 'upgraded' so we will see how that goes.
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The original capacity was supposed to be 20,000 because of a State govt agreement with the AFL. A major city like Melbourne needs a larger rectangular stadium. It shouldn't be a pipedream. When Melbournians complain about Sydney getting so many Socceroo games they have to think of the stupidity of the roof. Stadium built with foundations for 50,000 and limited by the roof design. Sheer stupidity.
 
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southoftheyarra said:
I think the youtube viewership is pretty decent for some of the bigger npl teams, cup games also have good attendance. But as soon as the season hits around June / July the attendance plummets, can't really blame people for not wanting to go to semi-pro football games in 10 degree weather.
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10 degree weather is peak football weather I England! Maybe tending to the hotside
 
southoftheyarra said:
I think the youtube viewership is pretty decent for some of the bigger npl teams, cup games also have good attendance. But as soon as the season hits around June / July the attendance plummets, can't really blame people for not wanting to go to semi-pro football games in 10 degree weather.
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Yeah I did a comparison of NPL YouTube (and the others) ratings a year or so ago. What surprised me was how much better the midweek matches rated.

I wonder if it's worthwhile playing the cold and lowly-attended winter matches on work nights for better online viewership? A bit like how BBL is on every night. More viewers, better sponsorships? Might be worth a trial.
 
HappyGuus said:
Yeah I did a comparison of NPL YouTube (and the others) ratings a year or so ago. What surprised me was how much better the midweek matches rated.

I wonder if it's worthwhile playing the cold and lowly-attended winter matches on work nights for better online viewership? A bit like how BBL is on every night. More viewers, better sponsorships? Might be worth a trial.
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When I watch npl games it looks like 2k viewers

Interestingly, the a league gets 4k overseas viewers, usually foreign gamblers haha
 
grazorblade said:
When I watch npl games it looks like 2k viewers

Interestingly, the a league gets 4k overseas viewers, usually foreign gamblers haha
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Yeah its a sneaking suspicion that many of the npl viewers are online betters, hence why the chat is disabled. But hey, its eyeballs on the game so can't complain...
 
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