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Ryan said:
Fair enough, I was just thinking of how whoever wants a team there could save money haha such as not having to build their own stadium. Not an easy thing at all. Expansion over here in the USA is easier due to not having to worry about having enough fans as it were and even though the MLS requires an expansion fee, the groups that generally want a team in a certain area, do not have money issues. Far from it so are willing to bid and pay essentially whatever the MLS wants.

I think expansion will happen in the A league though Lord only knows when or where that will happen. A lot of soccer hungry fans in the country it seems that would love a team to truly call their own.

The fans are there.
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If old Trumpie keeps deporting all the Latin Americans over there mate, you wont have too many Soccer fans left :P lol
 
Are we getting a bit too hung up about licence fees? Aren't they really just payment up front of costs? All the travel, all the accommodation, all the personnel, security, admin, refs, branding etc. etc.? And if you're lucky you get some distribution refunded. I don't really see it as a big deal worth concentrating on.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
mate 20 years ago the bloke who owned the Westfield Shopping Empire took a trip to the States and saw an opportunity to emulate the MLS and make some coin selling franchises to his rich mates... the rest, sadly is history :(
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Unfortunately didn't pan out well....but something had to change, no point flogging a dead horse.
 
HappyGuus said:
Are we getting a bit too hung up about licence fees? Aren't they really just payment up front of costs? All the travel, all the accommodation, all the personnel, security, admin, refs, branding etc. etc.? And if you're lucky you get some distribution refunded. I don't really see it as a big deal worth concentrating on.
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Sure, then "for the good of the game" the APL may be persuaded to waive ALL future license fees, or make enough to cover "All the travel, all the accommodation, all the personnel, security, admin, refs, branding" for the new team coming into the comp ... should be no more than 1-2 million I guestimate..... Would certainly mean both Canberra and Tassie will be up and running in weeks.... I wonder why they dont want "whats good for the game"?
 
HappyGuus said:
Are we getting a bit too hung up about licence fees? Aren't they really just payment up front of costs? All the travel, all the accommodation, all the personnel, security, admin, refs, branding etc. etc.? And if you're lucky you get some distribution refunded. I don't really see it as a big deal worth concentrating on.
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HG, don't think anyone hung up about but obviously it is to prospective buyers for there isn't many jumping into the fire is there.
That up front fee sure wouldn't go much back to a new business owners running costs, more so to the APL HQ and its operations.
Point is as a Franchisee the first instalment is just to have the brand for use, then add in the ongoing weekly ingoings outgoings as you've mentioned + invest in your academy, + staff, +++++++++++++++++++
Refunded ? yer to date the $500k per club's '25 season.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
Sure, then "for the good of the game" the APL may be persuaded to waive ALL future license fees, or make enough to cover "All the travel, all the accommodation, all the personnel, security, admin, refs, branding" for the new team coming into the comp ... should be no more than 1-2 million I guestimate..... Would certainly mean both Canberra and Tassie will be up and running in weeks.... I wonder why they dont want "whats good for the game"?
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Yeah they'd need a massive tv deal. Considering inflation since COVID, everything has basically doubled, they'd also need a tv deal double whatever their largest deal was just to keep up (pun intended 🤑).

And the fee isn't just for one season, they're getting these clubs locked in until 2034, so it all adds up. Hopefully one day, with pro/rel and a healthy tv deal, clubs go up and have a share of the league while they're in it. Like EPL, I think.
 
biggiemic said:
Disagree, 33k to a game last week. Fans are there. Just need some $$$ and proper leadership.
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yep great crowd, derby is derby.
What about general games that make up most of the season, SFC are the exception atm that we see posted here re crowd avg's.
Money isn't the answer imo, whats money got to do getting more people to turn up week after week to their home games.
People turn up because they want to see a show/performance on the pitch and the atmosphere, hence the derby being successful despite the form of either side.
Each club does their marketing week in week out.
It doubled SFC's general avg these people don't turn up for any other game generally.
Leadership, well thats what it is/have, proper leadership can you elaborate ?
 
LFC said:
yep great crowd, derby is derby.
What about general games that make up most of the season, SFC are the exception atm that we see posted here re crowd avg's.
Money isn't the answer imo, whats money got to do getting more people to turn up week after week to their home games.
People turn up because they want to see a show/performance on the pitch and the atmosphere, hence the derby being successful despite the form of either side.
Each club does their marketing week in week out.
It doubled SFC's general avg these people don't turn up for any other game generally.
Leadership, well thats what it is/have, proper leadership can you elaborate ?
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What bout the general games? League average is approx 9k I believe?

Exactly, marketing is non existent. If clubs had money to throw around at marketing, no double attendances go up. I literally have no idea when games are on. Compare to AFL, which I don't follow, and I know when and where nearly every AFL team is playing.
 
biggiemic said:
What bout the general games? League average is approx 9k I believe?

Exactly, marketing is non existent. If clubs had money to throw around at marketing, no double attendances go up. I literally have no idea when games are on. Compare to AFL, which I don't follow, and I know when and where nearly every AFL team is playing.
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Marketing is all social media based these days. Eyeballs are on phones so that's where the marketing is focused. The days of stumbling onto information are long gone. If you're not following a club and/or league on socials, or actively follow a club in general it's unlikely you're going to see any marketing. If you don't watch Channel 10 or Paramount+ you're not going to see any marketing. The clubs are pretty active on the socials.
 
someguyjc said:
Marketing is all social media based these days. Eyeballs are on phones so that's where the marketing is focused. The days of stumbling onto information are long gone. If you're not following a club and/or league on socials, or actively follow a club in general it's unlikely you're going to see any marketing. If you don't watch Channel 10 or Paramount+ you're not going to see any marketing. The clubs are pretty active on the socials.
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yep I mentioned each club does their own marketing, thats todays way, pretty easy checking up the mobile, seems biggie dare I say is melb based knowing every afl game - poor fella.
Mate when your into something your check yourself not hard - I check everything on the mobile as most do today, my NSWPL even the Vic Qld - live in my Optus Sport, heck I even check AL (watch some) so as I have some intel to debate :)
Even robbos even though likes to be stealth I see him hahaha
 
A funny thought.... It might actually be a blessing in disguise that the big NPL clubs, South and the like, not being in the A-League will actually help connect the pyramid. Stay with me here...

If South, Preston etc. were in the A-League, I don't think a national second tier gets off the ground. And without an NST, the pyramid never gets connected. The big boys in an NST is a great thing for where our football is at right now. Exciting times.
 
LFC said:
Mate when your into something your check yourself not hard - I check everything on the mobile as most do today, my NSWPL even the Vic
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Yep, apart from the socials, it's FotMob for me. Takes less than 20 seconds to look at what football is on this week.
 
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HappyGuus said:
A funny thought.... It might actually be a blessing in disguise that the big NPL clubs, South and the like, not being in the A-League will actually help connect the pyramid. Stay with me here...

If South, Preston etc. were in the A-League, I don't think a national second tier gets off the ground. And without an NST, the pyramid never gets connected. The big boys in an NST is a great thing for where our football is at right now. Exciting times.
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yer not a bad outlook HG, I agree IF any current Clubs were accepted in the past to present probably nothing more would occur BUT we'd still have that disconnect re the eco system.
This is the killa period hence my ongoing loving support of my grass roots to NPL.
We need to see the light at the end of the tunnel so to speak, the hope of breaking the surface when under water deep so to speak.
This can only help improving our game, the development, the ladder stepping, the fear of going down, the ecstacy of winning promotion, the grief of going down, it either makes or breaks Clubs.
Preston what a great example of striving to get back up seeing the sunshine.
This is FOOTBALL.
 
LFC said:
yep I mentioned each club does their own marketing, thats todays way, pretty easy checking up the mobile, seems biggie dare I say is melb based knowing every afl game - poor fella.
Mate when your into something your check yourself not hard - I check everything on the mobile as most do today, my NSWPL even the Vic Qld - live in my Optus Sport, heck I even check AL (watch some) so as I have some intel to debate :)
Even robbos even though likes to be stealth I see him hahaha
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Not trying to be stealth mate, I'm all good, you, Mono & me have been thru this. No need to stir up old wounds.
I like A-League you guys like the NPL, all good, we are love football.

Geez Liverpool, not even into 3rd gear yet, what team, Slot has them humming mate, some of the best football I have seen for a awhile.
 
Robbos said:
Not trying to be stealth mate, I'm all good, you, Mono & me have been thru this. No need to stir up old wounds.
I like A-League you guys like the NPL, all good, we are love football.

Geez Liverpool, not even into 3rd gear yet, what team, Slot has them humming mate, some of the best football I have seen for a awhile.
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Glad I got you in here, I know mate, I just struggle with those who have blinkers.
In the end something is going to give and hopefully for the better of the game.

Mate I'd like to get into a better gear mind you re the Reds, sure going ok but that was 2 points that would have been nice in the bag and more comfortable space, way to go yet I stress every game tbh.
I was with my Derby mate on the course this morn, new gaffa as expected, hope they get away from relo in the coming games at the same time my Leeds mate is rejoicing here we go here we go.
 
LFC said:
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Glad I got you in here, I know mate, I just struggle with those who have blinkers.
In the end something is going to give and hopefully for the better of the game.

Mate I'd like to get into a better gear mind you re the Reds, sure going ok but that was 2 points that would have been nice in the bag and more comfortable space, way to go yet I stress every game tbh.
I was with my Derby mate on the course this morn, new gaffa as expected, hope they get away from relo in the coming games at the same time my Leeds mate is rejoicing here we go here we go.
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I was more excited of the last minute goal at SFS, than anything Derby doing at present, that roar was intense & some grown men, in front of their daughters ripping their shirts off, they were ethnics like me, but all Aussies, showing passion in a Franchise league, who would have thought.
That 30K roar at the end was football for me.
 
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