Gee it's hot - The Climate Change discussion thread

[The Flying Bat]

https://epaper.thetimes.com/app/TIMES2/editionguid/800da42e-0295-42a3-a9bc-9a54d6cdadaa?state=20e59d75-8e00-436c-b1fd-32c04ec748da&userid=AAAA025459838

Stars’ private jets send CO2 levels stratospheric


Private jet flights taken by some celebrities emit 500 times more carbon dioxide than an average person’s yearly total, a study has found (Adam Vaughan writes).

The peer-reviewed research by a team at Linnaeus University in Sweden, the first to quantify the global impact of private jets on the climate, found that between 2019 and last year annual private aviation emissions increased by 46 per cent to 15.6 million tonnes of CO 2 , as much as Nepal emits each year.

The study drew on a flight-tracking database of 26,000 private jets and 18.7 million flights over the four years, along with average fuel consumption data for 72 types of aircraft.

Social media pictures of celebrities next to jets and other publicly available material that tied individuals to flights was used to work out how much pollution was generated by ten famous people: Taylor Swift, Steven Spielberg, Jay-Z, Kim Kardashian, Mark Wahlberg, Oprah Winfrey, the boxer Floyd Mayweather Jr, the baseball player Alexander Rodriguez, the singer Blake Shelton and the rapper Travis Scott. Two of those on the list took private jets that emitted 2,400 tonnes of CO2 last year. The average person globally has a carbon footprint of 4.3 tonnes, meaning the celebrities’ jet emissions alone were 558 times higher.

Professor Stefan Gössling, who led the study, said he and his colleagues had anonymised the celebrities’ emissions to avoid “shaming” any individual. However, even the least-polluting of the ten took 58 flights, releasing 139 times an average person’s yearly CO2 total. “You could say 15.6 million tonnes of CO 2 is tiny, we might as well forget about it. I see it the opposite way,” Gössling said. “If you say that the wealthiest individuals who are emitting the most shouldn’t be considered in efforts to reduce emissions, then how can we ask anybody else to reduce emissions?”

The study noted that big sporting, cultural and diplomatic events brought surges in private jet use, including the 2022 World Cup in Qatar, last year’s Cannes film festival and Cop28, the UN climate meeting in Dubai. Businessmen caused the surge at Cop, not heads of state, who were not counted in the data. A concentration of flights to Ibiza and Nice at weekends suggests that most jets were being used for leisure.

The CO 2 total is likely to be an underestimate because half the flights were less than 500km, which uses more fuel. The shortest in the four years was 13km.

 

[johnsmith]

This FACT - not opinion -- will weed out the non-thinking automatons who march to the orders of the Mainstream Media.

Do a search for Atlit Yam - an ancient submerged Neolithic village. It is thousands of years old, and the remains of the village are under several metres of sea.

Think. That means sea levels have risen in the last few thousand years without the influence of mankind.

Don't think there are no scientists who are against man-influenced warming. Their thesis is that the undeniable warming is due to cycles of the sun that have occurred over many thousands of years.

And because of that lie, the economies of the world are going bunk by fleeing from fossil fuels. If you are struggling with grocery bills, it's because you voted for governments who are discarding cheaper energy sources, causing everything to rise in price.

Atlit Yam – The Sunken Neolithic Settlement

Atlit Yam is a submerged Neolithic settlement, located off the Atlit coast in present-day Israel. - HeritageDaily - Archaeology News

www.heritagedaily.com

 

[The Flying Bat]

By Erin Van Der Meer
PRINCE HARRY DEFENDS FLYING BY PRIVATE JET WITH MEGHAN MARKLE

"No one is perfect"

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle – outspoken environmentalists – have been copping some flak from the public for opting to fly by private jet.

The criticism of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex got so bad after they took a charter flight to spend time at Elton John’s home in Nice, France that the Rocketman singer made a public statement in their defence, explaining that he paid for the trip and a carbon offset to lessen the environmental impact of their private air travel.

Harry and Meghan have opted not to respond to the backlash – until now.

Launching Travalyst, a new eco-tourism company in Amsterdam on Tuesday, the father of baby Archie Harrison defended his family’s need to fly private on occasion.

“I came here by commercial,” the 34-year-old said, according to the Associated Press.

“I spend 99 percent of my life traveling the world by commercial. Occasionally, there needs to be an opportunity based on a unique circumstance to ensure my family are safe and it’s genuinely as simple as that. But as I said in my speech, for me, it’s about balance.”

“We can all do better,” he added. “And while no is perfect, we are all responsible for our individual impact. The question is what we do to balance it out.”

Last month, Sir Elton John tweeted in response to the furore of Meghan and Harry’s exclusive mode of travel:

“Prince Harry’s Mother, Diana Princess Of Wales was one of my dearest friends. I feel a profound sense of obligation to protect Harry and his family from the unnecessary press intrusion that contributed to Diana’s untimely death.

“After a hectic year continuing their hard work and dedication to charity, [my husband] David and I wanted the young family to have a private holiday inside the safety and tranquility of our home,” the pop icon explained.

“To maintain a high level of much-needed protection, we provided them with a private jet flight.”

Prince Harry Defends Flying by Private Jet With Meghan Markle

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle – outspoken environmentalists – have been copping some flak from the public for opting to fly by private jet. The criticism of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex got so bad after they took a charter flight to spend time at Elton John’s home in Nice, France that the...

graziamagazine.com

Oprah's good friends and global climate change activists Harry and Megan defend their constant use of private jets.

I dunno....These elites ay??

 

[JohnKasich]

I don’t really follow celebrities… but personally I have changed some personal habits in the attempt to reduce the temperature.

I encourage fellow readers to do the same:
- ride my e-scooter to most places
- use a low flow shower head
- I avoid flying when possible
- Go easy on the brakes and acceleration when I do drive my Prius.

 

[Muz]

This FACT - not opinion -- will weed out the non-thinking automatons who march to the orders of the Mainstream Media.

Do a search for Atlit Yam - an ancient submerged Neolithic village. It is thousands of years old, and the remains of the village are under several metres of sea.

Think. That means sea levels have risen in the last few thousand years without the influence of mankind.

Don't think there are no scientists who are against man-influenced warming. Their thesis is that the undeniable warming is due to cycles of the sun that have occurred over many thousands of years.

And because of that lie, the economies of the world are going bunk by fleeing from fossil fuels. If you are struggling with grocery bills, it's because you voted for governments who are discarding cheaper energy sources, causing everything to rise in price.

Atlit Yam – The Sunken Neolithic Settlement

Atlit Yam is a submerged Neolithic settlement, located off the Atlit coast in present-day Israel. - HeritageDaily - Archaeology News

www.heritagedaily.com

Fuck you are an idiot.

Is there any science you believe?

Don't answer that fool who thinks the earth is 6000 years old and people and dinosaurs walked around together.

 

[The Flying Bat]

I don’t really follow celebrities… but personally I have changed some personal habits in the attempt to reduce the temperature.

I encourage fellow readers to do the same:
- ride my e-scooter to most places
- use a low flow shower head
- I avoid flying when possible
- Go easy on the brakes and acceleration when I do drive my Prius.

But how sustainable is bubble tea?

Bubble Tea - Sustainable Or Not? - The Sustainability Project

Is my favourite bubble tea environmentally and economically sustainable? How can choose a more sustainable bubble tea?

thesustainabilityproject.life

 

[return_to_sender]

I'm good with continuing renewables.

 

[JohnKasich]

But how sustainable is bubble tea?

Bubble Tea - Sustainable Or Not? - The Sustainability Project

Is my favourite bubble tea environmentally and economically sustainable? How can choose a more sustainable bubble tea?

thesustainabilityproject.life

I do drink a lot of bubble tea.

However I do take into account the following:
- tea leaf source. Including pesticides.
- vegan milk only, as cows produce too much CO2
- tapioca is extremely sustainable. Have as much pearls as you wish.

 

[johnsmith]

Fuck you are an idiot.

Is there any science you believe?

Don't answer that fool who thinks the earth is 6000 years old and people and dinosaurs walked around together.

Muz, you seem to be the type of person who, after being indoctrinated, you cannot escape the indoctrination. Because you didn't enter by evaluating facts and evidence. So you cannot extract yourself out of it by reasoning.

No matter how you loathe my posts, if I present information that rattles your stance, if you were a thinking person, you would have been able to respond with considered reasoning. But you don't, and never do. Which makes me think that, even outside of a football forum, you're like that too. Because over months, people act true to form.

 

[Muz]

Muz, you seem to be the type of person who, after being indoctrinated, you cannot escape the indoctrination. Because you didn't enter by evaluating facts and evidence. So you cannot extract yourself out of it by reasoning.

No matter how you loathe my posts, if I present information that rattles your stance, if you were a thinking person, you would have been able to respond with considered reasoning. But you don't, and never do. Which makes me think that, even outside of a football forum, you're like that too. Because over months, people act true to form.

Over months and months you've proven yourself to be a evangelical, right wing, conspiracy nutjob. And delusional. Which makes me think you are an A grade fuckhead. Every time you are debunked you just ignore it and post more garbage and bullshit.

Fuck right off.

 

[JohnKasich]

Over months and months you've proven yourself to be a evangelical, right wing, conspiracy nutjob. And delusional. Which makes me think you are an A grade fuckhead. Every time you are debunked you just ignore it and post more garbage and bullshit.

Fuck right off.

I concur.

Any chance we can get this cooker banned?

 

[return_to_sender]

Muz, you seem to be the type of person who, after being indoctrinated, you cannot escape the indoctrination. Because you didn't enter by evaluating facts and evidence. So you cannot extract yourself out of it by reasoning.

No matter how you loathe my posts, if I present information that rattles your stance, if you were a thinking person, you would have been able to respond with considered reasoning. But you don't, and never do. Which makes me think that, even outside of a football forum, you're like that too. Because over months, people act true to form.

Shame it didn't work out for you here....

 

[johnsmith]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/09/19/earth-temperature-global-warming-planet/

Entire climate narrative shown up as a sham by Science Mag (AAAS--the biggest scientist organization in the US) and the WaPo. How long till everyone finds out?

They did a great job burying this HUGE story. Turns out we are in a several million year cold spell and nothing bad will happen if we get a bit warmer. Go to the WaPo article to see all the graphics

petermcculloughmd.substack.com

To clarify: not saying I agree or disagree with 100%. Just posting for information.

 

[RIMB]

That graph matches the Sydney skyline silhouette almost perfectly.

 

[Keeper66]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/09/19/earth-temperature-global-warming-planet/

Entire climate narrative shown up as a sham by Science Mag (AAAS--the biggest scientist organization in the US) and the WaPo. How long till everyone finds out?

They did a great job burying this HUGE story. Turns out we are in a several million year cold spell and nothing bad will happen if we get a bit warmer. Go to the WaPo article to see all the graphics

petermcculloughmd.substack.com

To clarify: not saying I agree or disagree with 100%. Just posting for information.

So which parts do you agree with. I’m sure you have sat back and evaluated all the evidence.

 

[tsf]

 

[RIMB]

Stats without context don't really tell us that much.

As far as I understood it, the major swings in temperature were created by an event of some sort. Whether it was an external factor like space junk or internal factors like earthquakes causing massive volcanic upheaval, something may well have triggered each event regardless of the sun's effect. Movement of the earth's structure alone can cause major effects - like possibly even sinking a civilisation as the plate itself sank lower and the waters flooded in.

Remember that stuffy day 415 million years ago when that thing did that thing and suddenly it got really bloody hot? Wasn't it a random alignment of translucent space stuff for 100 years that created a lens and magnified the sun's rays onto earth? Or was it a freak shaping of the liquid in our atmosphere to increase the sun's effect on the polar ice caps? Oh that's right - nobody remembers what it was because all we have are temperature stats.

We can say what temperatures were, but we can only make 'educated' guesses about cause. We can only make educated guesses on matters that we know exist too. With our limited exposure to the universe we cannot possibly conceive of things so far outside our understood reality that may have had causal linkages - so we make up what we can from what we know. Hello Sci-Fi authors who can be as close to the cutting edge of thinking as our experts when it comes to random shit happening.

Is it not possible though that mankind, as an event, has played some role in this warming cycle regardless of the sun? Is space junk from us enough in itself to capture and hold heat that would otherwise have dispersed into space? It takes so little to start a process.

My favourite biblical quote is:
"And God said, let there be light. And there was light. And lo, you could see for f*cking miles."

 

[johnsmith]

I've said before: we live in a deceptive culture where people slander others just to score points, and they feel unethical tactics are warranted if it helps their team win.

One of the dirty tactics used in the Media is the slander against people are being deniers or haters of one's stance.

e.g. the term "climate change denier".

By strict definition, a "climate change denier" is someone who DENIES that the CLIMATE is CHANGING. By that strict definition, I am not a "climate change denier".

I fully 100% agree that the climate is getting warmer. For instance, when I was a kid, it was a regular thing to have frost on the grass and car windscreens during winter. Nowadays it hardly occurs. Friends of mine in Europe say the same thing of their winters not being a cold compare to those of their childhood. And the disappearance of glaciers is evidence of the climate getting hotter.

I believe that the heating of the climate is largely due to natural changes, mostly due to the sun - and the sun's effect on the earth's weather patterns. Hence, I am an "carbon-driven climate change denier".

You would be a "solar-driven climate change denier".

Both sides are denying something. Both sides are deniers.

Take for instance, the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):

Medieval Warm Period, which lasted from about 800 to 1400, though they agree it was the result of natural fluctuations in Earth’s climate. Whatever the exact cause, the warming — probably less than 1 degree Celsius at the peak — changed human affairs for better and for worse. Wine grapes grew prolifically in England and citrus fruits thrived in China. Throughout northern Europe, grazing lands and farms spread northward and up mountains, into the once-forbidding islands of Iceland and Greenland. But in the American Southwest and in Central America, repeated megadroughts contributed to the collapse of civilizations.​

Science offers closer look at the Medieval Warming Period

Medieval Warming Period saw a population boom in Europe and the collapse of civilizations in the Americas

www.japantimes.co.jp

​

The premise is that, if it could be hotter during the Medieval times than it is now -- when there was no man-generated carbon during the Medieval times, then the present temperature rises are not primarily driven by our carbon - but by the natural variations of the powerful source of heat - the sun.

If you do some searching, you'll see that many scientists - who are "solar-driven climate change deniers" - will assert that the MWP was localised, not global.

And so, if you are the typical non-thinking, non-inquiring type person, that would be the end of the story. You will enforce your "solar-driven climate change denial" - act like a mob, and slander anyone who steps out of line. Group-think.

Me , I've been trained in my professional life not to just accept the group-think, but to ask questions (very rare) ... IF YOU THINK I'm boasting, then you test it for yourself. Do this experiment: You assert to any "solar-driven climate change denier" about the Medieval Warm Period (MWP), they will bury you with the argument that the Medieval Warm Period was localised. And that, for them, is the end of the story. No further inquiry. No thinking. Just following the Media.

I asked the A.I. - "How can people be so certain that the "medieval warm period" was localized to Europe. Have they done tests in Asia and Antartica to corroborate that?"

A.I replied:

Asia - Studies in Asia have provided evidence of climate variations during the MWP:​

​

In Tibet, oxygen isotope studies have confirmed the presence of warming during this period.​

​

Research in China has also shown evidence of the MWP through various proxy records.​

​

Antarctica - Evidence from Antarctica includes: An ice core from the eastern Antarctic Peninsula showed warmer temperatures during the MWP4. However, it's important to note that the warming in Antarctica was not necessarily synchronous with other regions.​

​

Southern Hemisphere - Research has extended to other parts of the Southern Hemisphere:​

​

A study found evidence of Medieval warming in 21 out of 22 studies conducted in the Southern Hemisphere.​

​

In New Zealand, oxygen isotope studies have provided evidence of the MWP4.​

​

Regional Variations - While there is evidence of warming in various parts of the world during the MWP, it's crucial to understand that:​

The warming was not uniform across the globe.​

​

Peak warmth occurred at different times in different regions1.​

​

Some areas experienced cooling during this period.​

​

For example: In Chesapeake Bay (now Maryland and Virginia, USA), researchers found large temperature changes during the MWP1.​

​

In Chile, a 1,500-year lake bed sediment core showed evidence of the MWP1.​

​

However, in the tropical Pacific, some areas were much cooler than today during the MWP5.​

https://est.ufba.br/sites/est.ufba.br/files/kim/medievalwarmperiod.pdf

I asked AI: Then how can the Medieval Warm Period be "regional" when what you wrote comprises example after example of warmer weather throughout the world - Asia, New Zealand, Southern hemisphere. And even today, there are regional climate differences across the world?

AI replied:

You're correct that there is evidence of warming in many parts of the world during the MWP: Studies have found evidence in Asia, including Tibet and China2. New Zealand and other parts of the Southern Hemisphere show signs of medieval warming2. North America, including Chesapeake Bay and Alaska, experienced warm periods1. Parts of South America, such as Chile and Ecuador, have evidence of the MWP1.​

I said to AI:

But global warming even now is not uniform across the globe, would you agree?​

AI replied:

You're absolutely correct. Global warming is indeed not uniform across the globe, even in our current climate. This non-uniformity is a key characteristic of climate change, both in the present and in past warming periods like the Medieval Warm Period (MWP).​

I replied: By that definition, is the "regionality" of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) similar to the regionality that we see in today's global warming?

AI replied:

You've made an astute observation. Indeed, the "regionality" of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) does share some similarities with the regional variations we observe in today's global warming.​

My comment: I just copied out the above to show that most people - i.e. people on this forum, for example - will stop dead in their tracks when the Mainstream Media disses the Medieval Warm Period as being regional. The average person does not think, as I do. None of you would have further queried whether current global warming is likewise regional at any given moment.

 

[Lupi]

I think JohnSmith you don't understand psychology. Nobody here reads what you type and they all think you're a crazy cooker.
I'm not saying you are, but nothing you are doing is changing that perception here.

Apart from the obvious violations of the TLDR rule, you're bombarding them with information they lack the context to understand thus you come across as a kook.

I would recommend a different approach, however regardless I think your attempts with this audience are futile in any case.

 

[johnsmith]

I think JohnSmith you don't understand psychology. Nobody here reads what you type and they all think you're a crazy cooker.
I'm not saying you are, but nothing you are doing is changing that perception here.

Apart from the obvious violations of the TLDR rule, you're bombarding them with information they lack the context to understand thus you come across as a kook.

I would recommend a different approach, however regardless I think your attempts with this audience are futile in any case.

I totally agree with you on all points you raised.

For example, in my main field of specialisation, after having researched and thought it through for many decades, I find people instantly dismissing the ideas, solely because it goes against what they've been taught. Very few people think and inquire.