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Gee it's hot - The Climate Change discussion thread

Muz said:
This is my problem. I should ignore him but against my better judgement I keep getting dragged back in.

I've never used an 'ignore' function online before but I'm tempted.
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Muz, I've figured you out. Your life worldview is based on "automatic bias", i.e. if something seems totally ridiculous to you, you will automatically dismiss it, without giving a chance for evidence and facts to make a case.

For example, if Muz lived in 1800, and someone claimed that mechanised flight was possible for mankind, you'd be the type of person that would automatically dismiss it as nonsense.

For example, Ignaz Semmelweis in the mid 1800's proposed that germs were the cause of diseases. But the entire medical establishment crushed him, and he spent his life a broken man, never able to see his ideas take root. It was only after his death that the scientific community began to adopt his theories that are now beyond dispute. If you had been alive in the 1800's, your personality would have seen you as part of the consensus majority that crushed Ignaz Semmelweis, branding him as a blooming idiot.

www.britannica.com

Ignaz Semmelweis | Biography & Facts | Britannica

Hungarian physician who discovered the cause of puerperal fever and introduced antisepsis into medical practice. Maternal mortality in his ward declined after Semmelweis had students wash their hands in a chlorinated lime solution before examining women in labor. Eventually his doctrines were...
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I try not to do that.

Even if I am fixed on certain issues, and someone presents reasoning to challenge me, I'll give them a listening ear ... why? Because I want to see how they argue against it, and I like to be a student on seeing how people think. Plus, I might be wrong on certain issues, and potentially receive correction.
 
johnsmith said:
Ok, I concede to you.

In the old days before internet, it was easier to suppress information because the Main Media could frame the information how they wanted the people to believe.\

But now, with the internet and social media, the same intent to suppress and control is there. Human nature has not changed for thousands of years. So these efforts to stifle free speech are just a continuation of how the world has been from the beginning.

You realise that in over 6,000 years of recorded human history, there have been only a handful of peep-holes, each of a couple of hundred years, where there were freedoms for the common man to speak. Aside from that, mankind has been under the jackboot of controlling powers.

You seem to have zero concept that the freedoms you inherited from past generations are rare as hens teeth, in the span of human history. And every time there's been freedoms, the forces of humanity rise up to suppress it.

Think of who the people are who've been the ones, through history, that suppress free speech. In those people's minds, they're doing the best for the people. On these forums, tsf admits to being a communist. Tsf fully thinks, in his mind, that what he does would be best for the people.
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I like how you wrote a lot, but said absolutely nothing. You my friend are an enigma.
 
johnsmith said:
Muz, I've figured you out. Your life worldview is based on "automatic bias", i.e. if something seems totally ridiculous to you, you will automatically dismiss it, without giving a chance for evidence and facts to make a case.

For example, if Muz lived in 1800, and someone claimed that mechanised flight was possible for mankind, you'd be the type of person that would automatically dismiss it as nonsense.

For example, Ignaz Semmelweis in the mid 1800's proposed that germs were the cause of diseases. But the entire medical establishment crushed him, and he spent his life a broken man, never able to see his ideas take root. It was only after his death that the scientific community began to adopt his theories that are now beyond dispute. If you had been alive in the 1800's, your personality would have seen you as part of the consensus majority that crushed Ignaz Semmelweis, branding him as a blooming idiot.

www.britannica.com

Ignaz Semmelweis | Biography & Facts | Britannica

Hungarian physician who discovered the cause of puerperal fever and introduced antisepsis into medical practice. Maternal mortality in his ward declined after Semmelweis had students wash their hands in a chlorinated lime solution before examining women in labor. Eventually his doctrines were...
www.britannica.com www.britannica.com

I try not to do that.

Even if I am fixed on certain issues, and someone presents reasoning to challenge me, I'll give them a listening ear ... why? Because I want to see how they argue against it, and I like to be a student on seeing how people think. Plus, I might be wrong on certain issues, and potentially receive correction.
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Is the guy getting AI to spit out his posts trying to criticise people for their lack of critical thinking again?

What a loser
 
johnsmith said:
Irrespective of how old you think the earth is ... it is a separate topic regarding how far back recorded human history dates back. The recorded human history goes back about 6,000 year.

Even if I write things against people, my prime focus is facts and data.
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Perfect summation of you. You rely on scraping all that is written by humans, therefore your bias is towards regurgitating events that occur in written history, and mostly of what was written since the www was founded. You are part book, mostly regurgitated internet.
 
Monoethnic Social Club said:
My dude, don't bother... Seriously its wasted keystrokes.. You are replying to a (I think) person who uses an article with data going back 485 million years to refute evidence of a scientifically accepted global issue yet in the the same thread argues the case for a 6000 year old universe.... I mean.... don't waste your time....
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Hahahaha. Found another in his opening gambit where he used this village. 6900BC or 8900 years ago.

The mental gymnastics that his pea brain does to make a point is fantastic.


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Spike in private jets to Baku as leaders fly out for climate talks
Ben Clatworthy - Transport Correspondent, Adam Vaughan - Environment Editor

Private jet arrivals at Baku’s international airport have soared in the past week as world leaders and business people jet in for Cop29.

The annual UN climate conference, held this year in the oil-rich capital of Azerbaijan, has become a magnet for the rich and powerful, who rub shoulders with politicians and diplomats.

Data from FlightRadar24, the tracking website, revealed that 65 private jets landed in Baku in the week to Monday.

Of those, 45 arrived on Sunday and Monday as the conference got under way. It is twice as many compared with the same week last year, when 32 private jets landed at the airport.

The number of arrivals is lower than the Cop in Dubai last year or in Glasgow in 2021, after many government heads shunned the event, including those of the 13 biggest emitters of carbon dioxide — among them China’s Xi Jinping, Joe Biden, the outgoing US president, and the Indian prime minister Narendra Modi. About 80 heads of state were at the conference on Monday and about 67,000 people had registered to attend, making this the second biggest summit after last year’s.

Between 2019 and last year, annual private aviation emissions increased by 46 per cent to 15.6 million tonnes of CO2, as much as Nepal emits a year.

Environmentalists accused those travelling by private jet of hypocrisy, but aviation sources familiar with arrangements for leaders and rich individuals said there were “understandable” reasons not to fly commercial.

Denise Auclair of the Travel Smart Campaign, which aims to reduce corporate air travel, said: “Private jets ... are five to 14 times more polluting than commercial planes per passenger and 50 times more polluting than trains.

“The number of arrivals by private jet at Cop29 puts front and centre the hypocrisy of using a private jet while claiming to be fighting climate change. An executive taking one longhaul private flight will burn more CO2 than several normal people do in an entire year.”

Researchers at Linnaeus University in Sweden analysed flight tracker data of more than 18.6 million private flights and found some celebrities are emitting more than 500 times as much carbon dioxide a year as the average person.

The study noted that major sporting, cultural and diplomatic events brought spikes in private jet use, including the 2022 World Cup in Qatar and last year’s Cannes film festival. Cop28 was associated with 644 private flights, which produced 4,800 tonnes of CO2.

Yesterday Argentina’s president, Javier Milei, ordered his country’s negotiators to withdraw from Cop29.

Milei has previously called climate change a “socialist lie” and threatened to withdraw from the Paris agreement.

More than 80 delegates were told to leave in order “not to hinder the negotiations and decisions with which they do not agree”, Mariángeles Bellusci, the Argentine ambassador to Azerbaijan, told Clarin paper.
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Roll call.

Anyone here die or hospitalised today because of normal summer weather?
 
vo2Max said:
numbnuts*

Why are you so perennially angry?
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@return_to_sender is perennially angry because he presumably has to work -- hence him continually telling people to get a job. Let's see how many of you lot, who claim to be working, post of this forum from 9-5. Doing it on bosses time.
 
I'm going to go online and rigorously fight for the rights of billionaires to make more money, and to help make sure their companies keep making record profits so their share value remains high - I will do this on their behalf through denying Climate change...even though they wouldn't piss on me. Call me crazy....
 
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