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I also found it hard to analyse a replay on ten compared to youtube! On youtube you just press backwards to go back 5 seconds so you can see an important moment several times
Match stats/analysis for recent Socceroo games
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Interesting discussion, Angus Thurgate has been praised in the media this season for his through balls and looking to pass it forward.
Without looking at the data, from observations both on and off the ball Angus is in AFL terms a classic disciplined one percenter player.
He often plays a quick simple pass sideways or backwards, if under pressure or to a more creative type.
He usually makes a very considered choice if playing it forward or crossing and doesn't really play hopeful balls.
Teague is a better technical player.
Off the ball Angus is intelligent and disciplined with blocking passing lanes and tracking runs, rarely does he risk a foul trying to win the ball.
If chasing a goal Angus will take ball winning risks and and go box to box prefering one touch give and goes, kinda like a average AL hybrid winger.
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I've been vacillating doing all the percentage calculations from Indo and China, but as I'm doing the Indo game it is showing some curved ball results.
The result and the stat/ performance is irregular. Hopefully, will have put them up later tonight when I finish all the calculations.
The result and the stat/ performance is irregular. Hopefully, will have put them up later tonight when I finish all the calculations.
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Thurgate has really caught my eye.
Amazed he hasn't been selected?
Without looking at stats, or not knowing them, he seems to foul in dangerous places.
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worth a watch for an alternative view....
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Australia 5 v Indonesia 1.
1v1s.
Already covered earlier in this thread.
Aus won 67% of 1v1s. Indo won 33%.
107 in total 1v1s were contested.
Defensive Passes
Aus : 210 completed, at 96% accuracy. Indo: 162 completed, at 96% accuracy.
Attacking Passes
Aus: 94 completed at 85% accuracy. Indo: 172 completed at 85% accuracy.
Total passes
Aus: 304 completed, Indo 334 completed.
Possession based on passes completed.
Aus 48%, Indo 52%.
Balls played in pen box.
Aus :19
13 played on ground
8 repelled.
Indo: 33
11 on ground
18 repelled.
Shots at goal
Aus:11 - 7 on target. Indo: 8 - 3 on target.
Outside pen box shots
Aus: 1. Indo: 8.
Keeper saves
Aus: 2 saves, 7 intercepts. Indo: 2 saves, 4 intercepts.
1v1s.
Already covered earlier in this thread.
Aus won 67% of 1v1s. Indo won 33%.
107 in total 1v1s were contested.
Defensive Passes
Aus : 210 completed, at 96% accuracy. Indo: 162 completed, at 96% accuracy.
Attacking Passes
Aus: 94 completed at 85% accuracy. Indo: 172 completed at 85% accuracy.
Total passes
Aus: 304 completed, Indo 334 completed.
Possession based on passes completed.
Aus 48%, Indo 52%.
Balls played in pen box.
Aus :19
13 played on ground
8 repelled.
Indo: 33
11 on ground
18 repelled.
Shots at goal
Aus:11 - 7 on target. Indo: 8 - 3 on target.
Outside pen box shots
Aus: 1. Indo: 8.
Keeper saves
Aus: 2 saves, 7 intercepts. Indo: 2 saves, 4 intercepts.
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China 0, Australia 2.
1v1s - already covered in previous page.
Aus won 58%, China 42% of 95 total 1v1s contested.
Defensive Passes
Aus: 200 completed at 95% accuracy. China: 161 completed at 97% accuracy.
Attacking Passes
Aus: 164 completed at 90% accuracy. China: 143 completed at 85% accuracy.
Total passes
Aus 364, China 304.
Possession based on passes
Aus 54%, China 46%.
Balls played into pen box
Aus: 22
13 on ground
7 repelled.
China: 24
7 on ground
11 repelled.
Shots
Aus: 6,
2 on target, close misses 3, outside pen box 1.
China: 8,
1 on target, close misses 3, outside pen box 2.
Keeper saves
Aus: 2,
7 intercepts ( 5 under pressure).
China: 0,
7 intercepts ( 1 under pressure).
1v1s - already covered in previous page.
Aus won 58%, China 42% of 95 total 1v1s contested.
Defensive Passes
Aus: 200 completed at 95% accuracy. China: 161 completed at 97% accuracy.
Attacking Passes
Aus: 164 completed at 90% accuracy. China: 143 completed at 85% accuracy.
Total passes
Aus 364, China 304.
Possession based on passes
Aus 54%, China 46%.
Balls played into pen box
Aus: 22
13 on ground
7 repelled.
China: 24
7 on ground
11 repelled.
Shots
Aus: 6,
2 on target, close misses 3, outside pen box 1.
China: 8,
1 on target, close misses 3, outside pen box 2.
Keeper saves
Aus: 2,
7 intercepts ( 5 under pressure).
China: 0,
7 intercepts ( 1 under pressure).
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Looking at the last 2 games, Aus didn't have as much dominance as other games, apart from Japan, whilst struggling to score, but were clinical around goal.
In the last 2 games, Indo had territorial advantage, but their full pressing game plan, a newer phenomenon, put the Aus defensive line under a lot pressure paying out, but left a few gaps further afield.
In the last 2 games, Indo had territorial advantage, but their full pressing game plan, a newer phenomenon, put the Aus defensive line under a lot pressure paying out, but left a few gaps further afield.
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Against Indo, without looking again, I wonder if they used the new tactic in gegenpressing of 1 to 1 man marking, that appeared on Grazor's video posted in a unique thread in General Football section?
By committing so heavily in the attacking third when Aus tried to play out, they disturbed a lot of Aus build ups. However, they left holes further down the pitch. Australia punished Indo, but played less balls into the box, probably having better quality and played more balls on the ground.
Indo played a high defensive line, which was an attacking move and a bit risky.
In most other games in this final round of WCQing apart from Japan, Aus had plenty of ball, territory, more balls played into the box and more shots at goal.
By committing so heavily in the attacking third when Aus tried to play out, they disturbed a lot of Aus build ups. However, they left holes further down the pitch. Australia punished Indo, but played less balls into the box, probably having better quality and played more balls on the ground.
Indo played a high defensive line, which was an attacking move and a bit risky.
In most other games in this final round of WCQing apart from Japan, Aus had plenty of ball, territory, more balls played into the box and more shots at goal.
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Again against China, they opposition played a few more balls into the box, but played less on the ground than Aus.
Also, against both Indo and China, the Aus defence repelled a much higher number of balls in the defensive pen box than the opposition.
I measure this by a defender touching the ball first, as opposed to an attacker. It is usually passed to a teammate in the box, cleared, or played to a teammate outside of the pen box.
Also, against both Indo and China, the Aus defence repelled a much higher number of balls in the defensive pen box than the opposition.
I measure this by a defender touching the ball first, as opposed to an attacker. It is usually passed to a teammate in the box, cleared, or played to a teammate outside of the pen box.
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I'm at the 73 min mark of accruing the stats for the Aus/Japan game in Perth.
A few posters think I have a pre-conceived agenda I want to present. Nothing can be further from the truth. I love compiling stats and data from games, as surprises always show up.
From memory, and apologies if wrong, but Andy Harper, plus a few of G and G regulars, LFC, Keeper, Muz, JS96, thought Aus were rubbish in possession against Japan. In particular a few posited that a major weakness was Teague and O'Neill not being able to keep the ball.
In the first 45 mins, and to a lesser extent in the 28 mins to 73 min mark, with O'Neill still on the pitch in the second half, Ryan and the CBs, or even the wing backs barely played any balls to the DMs. Normally, they would receive heaps of diagonal balls to keep the build up going forwards.
It just didn't happen!
Why?
The Japanese were so intent on extreme gegenpessing, under coaching instructions, as soon as Ryan or Deg started a build up from the back, Japan swarmed, with multiple players sprinting to cover almost every player - Ryan, back three CBs, the two DMs, and even the wing backs.
So many times after a pass or two amongst Aus CBs, a ball was played to Ryan, who was also being closed down and he would a longer, high ball, likely to be turned over. It did.
Also, Circati on the right - and both Burgess and Behich on the left, played multiple straight balls don the ground parallel to the boundary line.
Years ago I attended a workshop with the Tas Tech Dir and Ange Poste hammering into us that straight balls played forwards were only effective to unmarked players. That at all times, for a player to assume effective body shape to play forwards, diagonal passes were easily the best option. Square balls afford good body position, but there is no progress in the build up.
Yet Popa's straight ball option, seemed to negate Japan intercepting balls in the Aus defensive attacking central third, or what Grazor calls Zone 14.
The Aus targets for these straight balls were:
Boyle was usually steamrolled in aerial duels by his opponents. He hardly won any 1v1 duels, often aerial, against Japanese defenders.
Borrello lost more than he won, but still contested. He is a shortish central striker, but immensely strong. He still held balls up.
Metcalfe - a bit of a revelation. I can't remember evaluating him in the compilation of stats before. I think he went close to holding his own in 1v1s.
All three forwards worked tirelessly off the ball for the team cause - in opening passing lanes, which were often ignored, or intercepted by the superb Japanese intensive Squeezing.
At times in the first half, Japan frequently committed 9 outfield players in the Aus defensive half as the Socceroos tried to play out!
Conversely, Aus often had only 5-6 players in the Japanese defensive half when they tried to play out. In the second half it was a bit easier for McGree and Yazbek, as the Japanese dropped it back to 7-8 players in the Aus def half trying to disturb Aus build ups.
Moreover within the Press, the levels of Squeezing differed markedly between both teams. Japan frequently had multiple players sprinting towards the ball carrier to close down space, or one sprinting at the ball ball carrier closing down space, with others sprinting 1 on 1 to just about every other Aus defender or midfielder. Japan had to be so fit to do this.
Conversely, within the Aus Press, Full or Half, Popa had his players barely Squeezing. It seemed imperative to hold the compact 5-2-3 shape at all times, evolving to 5-4-1 further back in the defensive half.
The Aus Squeezing intensified further back in the defensive third. Impressively Aus maintained compact defensive shape most of the time. It seems that Popa played a deep defensive line, because he didn't want Japan turning around our defence and Aus defending whilst running towards the Aus goal and Ryan. It worked!
Japan played a very high defensive line.
JS96 will be pleased to read this. Behich was dribbled around on quite a few occasions by tricky Japanese wingers. He also played a lot of straight balls down the line, that were intercepted! Aziz was also out-headed a lot.
I've recorded individual 1v1 stats for every player, which I'll post down the line, but rather than Behich playing his usual diagonal passes to Teague or O'N (when he went to left DM ) in the second half, he played many straight balls down the line that were turned over. Circati played a lot too that were turned over as well.
However, Circati, who has put on a lot of muscular bulk with his rehab, was a beast - out-heading, tackling and overpowering just about every Japanese player who came near him. He was beaten all ends up by a winger on the left on 1 occasion, but Aus looks like we have a new potential great if he stays injury free. Circati was immense! This guy looks like our best player ATM!
Sadly, for the two DMs, O'N and Teague/Yazbek, although it is changing as the game is progressing and J are running out of gas, is they had to do a lot of defending - jockeying, body on body 1v1 duels, and keeping the shape compact and screening the back three. O'Neill in particular is winning a lot of hard balls.
In the 1v1s Japan dominated the first 10 - 15 mins, but at 73 mins without accruing totals, Aus is now well on top. The back three have won almost everything aerially. Miller, O'Neill, to a lesser extent Teague/Yazbek, and Metcalfe, have won plenty too.
No doubt Japan have plenty of superb dribblers, plus pass and move exponents in tight spaces.
A few posters think I have a pre-conceived agenda I want to present. Nothing can be further from the truth. I love compiling stats and data from games, as surprises always show up.
From memory, and apologies if wrong, but Andy Harper, plus a few of G and G regulars, LFC, Keeper, Muz, JS96, thought Aus were rubbish in possession against Japan. In particular a few posited that a major weakness was Teague and O'Neill not being able to keep the ball.
In the first 45 mins, and to a lesser extent in the 28 mins to 73 min mark, with O'Neill still on the pitch in the second half, Ryan and the CBs, or even the wing backs barely played any balls to the DMs. Normally, they would receive heaps of diagonal balls to keep the build up going forwards.
It just didn't happen!
Why?
The Japanese were so intent on extreme gegenpessing, under coaching instructions, as soon as Ryan or Deg started a build up from the back, Japan swarmed, with multiple players sprinting to cover almost every player - Ryan, back three CBs, the two DMs, and even the wing backs.
So many times after a pass or two amongst Aus CBs, a ball was played to Ryan, who was also being closed down and he would a longer, high ball, likely to be turned over. It did.
Also, Circati on the right - and both Burgess and Behich on the left, played multiple straight balls don the ground parallel to the boundary line.
Years ago I attended a workshop with the Tas Tech Dir and Ange Poste hammering into us that straight balls played forwards were only effective to unmarked players. That at all times, for a player to assume effective body shape to play forwards, diagonal passes were easily the best option. Square balls afford good body position, but there is no progress in the build up.
Yet Popa's straight ball option, seemed to negate Japan intercepting balls in the Aus defensive attacking central third, or what Grazor calls Zone 14.
The Aus targets for these straight balls were:
Boyle was usually steamrolled in aerial duels by his opponents. He hardly won any 1v1 duels, often aerial, against Japanese defenders.
Borrello lost more than he won, but still contested. He is a shortish central striker, but immensely strong. He still held balls up.
Metcalfe - a bit of a revelation. I can't remember evaluating him in the compilation of stats before. I think he went close to holding his own in 1v1s.
All three forwards worked tirelessly off the ball for the team cause - in opening passing lanes, which were often ignored, or intercepted by the superb Japanese intensive Squeezing.
At times in the first half, Japan frequently committed 9 outfield players in the Aus defensive half as the Socceroos tried to play out!
Conversely, Aus often had only 5-6 players in the Japanese defensive half when they tried to play out. In the second half it was a bit easier for McGree and Yazbek, as the Japanese dropped it back to 7-8 players in the Aus def half trying to disturb Aus build ups.
Moreover within the Press, the levels of Squeezing differed markedly between both teams. Japan frequently had multiple players sprinting towards the ball carrier to close down space, or one sprinting at the ball ball carrier closing down space, with others sprinting 1 on 1 to just about every other Aus defender or midfielder. Japan had to be so fit to do this.
Conversely, within the Aus Press, Full or Half, Popa had his players barely Squeezing. It seemed imperative to hold the compact 5-2-3 shape at all times, evolving to 5-4-1 further back in the defensive half.
The Aus Squeezing intensified further back in the defensive third. Impressively Aus maintained compact defensive shape most of the time. It seems that Popa played a deep defensive line, because he didn't want Japan turning around our defence and Aus defending whilst running towards the Aus goal and Ryan. It worked!
Japan played a very high defensive line.
JS96 will be pleased to read this. Behich was dribbled around on quite a few occasions by tricky Japanese wingers. He also played a lot of straight balls down the line, that were intercepted! Aziz was also out-headed a lot.
I've recorded individual 1v1 stats for every player, which I'll post down the line, but rather than Behich playing his usual diagonal passes to Teague or O'N (when he went to left DM ) in the second half, he played many straight balls down the line that were turned over. Circati played a lot too that were turned over as well.
However, Circati, who has put on a lot of muscular bulk with his rehab, was a beast - out-heading, tackling and overpowering just about every Japanese player who came near him. He was beaten all ends up by a winger on the left on 1 occasion, but Aus looks like we have a new potential great if he stays injury free. Circati was immense! This guy looks like our best player ATM!
Sadly, for the two DMs, O'N and Teague/Yazbek, although it is changing as the game is progressing and J are running out of gas, is they had to do a lot of defending - jockeying, body on body 1v1 duels, and keeping the shape compact and screening the back three. O'Neill in particular is winning a lot of hard balls.
In the 1v1s Japan dominated the first 10 - 15 mins, but at 73 mins without accruing totals, Aus is now well on top. The back three have won almost everything aerially. Miller, O'Neill, to a lesser extent Teague/Yazbek, and Metcalfe, have won plenty too.
No doubt Japan have plenty of superb dribblers, plus pass and move exponents in tight spaces.
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Great thorough analysis, Decentric. I put my timestamped observations in the player rating thread. Only managed the first half.
So it seems Japan were just able to nullify our typical midfield possession. Annoying we could do something to get around that. I felt Metcalfe made one or two good layoffs. Behich had plenty of space at times where I wish he'd pushed higher up but the was a wariness of counters.
We just couldn't string many passes together. A big issue with our longer wing balls was the first touch and no support.
So it seems Japan were just able to nullify our typical midfield possession. Annoying we could do something to get around that. I felt Metcalfe made one or two good layoffs. Behich had plenty of space at times where I wish he'd pushed higher up but the was a wariness of counters.
We just couldn't string many passes together. A big issue with our longer wing balls was the first touch and no support.
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I think Decentric was right about the angles of those balls too. Too straight.
I want to see more support in midfield. Two isn't enough. It's sometimes 4 when the wing back push up or the wide forwards back but I feel like in those scenarios it disrupts the build up, that is there aren't the next forward passes.
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I need to learn more about these type of details. I knew about the futility of straight long balls, but did not know about the importance of the angles on general passing to players under pressure. Something I will try and observe the next match I watch.
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I think he also said the straight balls served a purpose so that if we lose the ball it was out wide?
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poppa has noticeably different tactics against every opponent so better off watching the same game a few times haha
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seriously, all I'm reading in the summary is what we see/saw in the first place.
A B team far far more capable across the park.
Be it pressing putting pressure on our recievers, from out the back to our GK Ryan.
Long balls easily cut out because easy contest and alot of times to no one but their defender to gain control alot with time on their hands.
Gegenpessing been going on for years in many leagues especilly when viewing EPL.
Klopp had LFC doing this 7odd yrs ago and many other teams followed.
Very hard top react when you don't have capable players with ball control and being pressed. Mistakes happen re Roos.
Why balls get cut out/off or just hit upfield with a hope and prayer.
The straightness agree its not a go to and due to lack of runs/angles - and support providing the lanes to angle balls for more supporting runners.
Trouble is Boyle is nothing against better opponents, correct weak, he actually falls over his feet it seems at times.
Borello is a fighter and successful at home but against NT's its whole new ball game, he's 50/50 more times than not a good defender will cover him if not his back up will.
We are not as sharp as the Japanese and when we did get some ball later/game control would you think the Japs backed off their intensity ?
I think they did at times for at least we dug in and having so much ball movement you do get tired especially exposed on counters.
"Japan dominated the first 10 - 15 mins, but at 73 mins"
OMG really,
What does 68.7% possession say compared to 31.3%.
True you need to be effective with any ball you have but they beasted us alot.
Corners 8-1 as well.
Yep they didn't convert - thats their main negative (no one hardly pulled a decent shot) and our hard work being stuck in our own half more than we in theirs for we struggle retaining ball - 68.7% is ball chasing and defending.
Thankfully we are defending better than I expect, Degenek is a new player very happy about this, Circati, well he's a cut above most of our players at such a good age brilliant - future Roo Captain material, a leader.
A B team far far more capable across the park.
Be it pressing putting pressure on our recievers, from out the back to our GK Ryan.
Long balls easily cut out because easy contest and alot of times to no one but their defender to gain control alot with time on their hands.
Gegenpessing been going on for years in many leagues especilly when viewing EPL.
Klopp had LFC doing this 7odd yrs ago and many other teams followed.
Very hard top react when you don't have capable players with ball control and being pressed. Mistakes happen re Roos.
Why balls get cut out/off or just hit upfield with a hope and prayer.
The straightness agree its not a go to and due to lack of runs/angles - and support providing the lanes to angle balls for more supporting runners.
Trouble is Boyle is nothing against better opponents, correct weak, he actually falls over his feet it seems at times.
Borello is a fighter and successful at home but against NT's its whole new ball game, he's 50/50 more times than not a good defender will cover him if not his back up will.
We are not as sharp as the Japanese and when we did get some ball later/game control would you think the Japs backed off their intensity ?
I think they did at times for at least we dug in and having so much ball movement you do get tired especially exposed on counters.
"Japan dominated the first 10 - 15 mins, but at 73 mins"
OMG really,
What does 68.7% possession say compared to 31.3%.
True you need to be effective with any ball you have but they beasted us alot.
Corners 8-1 as well.
Yep they didn't convert - thats their main negative (no one hardly pulled a decent shot) and our hard work being stuck in our own half more than we in theirs for we struggle retaining ball - 68.7% is ball chasing and defending.
Thankfully we are defending better than I expect, Degenek is a new player very happy about this, Circati, well he's a cut above most of our players at such a good age brilliant - future Roo Captain material, a leader.
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Thanks, JS.
From an Aussie perspective of trying to play proactive NC football it was a very frustrating game to watch. I've done the whole game now - the hardest I've done.
However, at the same time Arzani came on at 80 mins, Aus started to play through the central midfield as Japan dropped back to 6 players in our defensive half, when we tried to play out in their Ball Possession Opposition. I'm pretty mentally exhausted after recording stats from this game with Japan dominating possession and territory. I think one of the only passages of play which was decent attacking attacking interplay was when Aus scored!
The sequence started when O'Neill made a superb intercept when he pounced on a Japanese pass just inside their half way line. The ball then was passed to Duke, McGree, Arzani, Geria, Circati, O'Neill, Geria, then to McGree who executed that brilliant turn leaving his marker in his wake, ball carrying and brilliantly cutting back for Behich to score with his usually awful right foot!
After the goal a few seconds before full time in the regular 90 mins, there was a lot of physical play in the Aus attacking half where Duke outmuscled some rugged Japan CBs in succession to stop their attacks. He won 4, 1v1s in a few minutes!
Duke was joined by Geria, Circati, McGree, and O'Neill who won virtually every 1v1 they contested until the final whistle went!
I'm on record as saying I like Proactive possession football, but I'm also a huge fan of Italian Reactive counterattacking football. I saw a lot of Italy when visiting France for the 2016 Euro Champs.
The Poparoos' discipline off the ball for the whole game, was worthy of Italy!
His tactic of playing a deep defensive line worked! I don't think the Japanese ever broke through the Aus defence to turn the Aus defence around to defend facing our own goal. Every time Japan had a shot, ther were Aussie bodies in front of them! This is simply incredible!
We must improve at keeping the ball - even against that quality of Full Pressing and Squeezing for about 75 mins. I wonder whether the Japanese coach knowing they had already qualified, just threw caution to the wind, seeing how long they could keep up that high level Full Pressing and intensive Squeezing?
At the 80 min mark the wide Aus defenders started playing diagonal balls into Yazbek and O'Neill to advance the build ups.
Against Japan it has to rate as one of the best Socceroo defensive performances - ever. If not the best. It is so hard for players to concentrate for so long keeping the defensive shape compact without the ball.
By the end of the game, Aus steamrolled Japan in 1v1s. In the last Japan game in Japan game they nearly matched Aus in 1v1s. I think Aus won 53%. It is in an earlier post in this thread.
My belief is if any player can hold their own physically in body on body contact in the AL they can hold their own anywhere against international opposition , except possibly France top division, Scotland, the NSL and possibly the Championship.
One has to feel for a player like Teague. He barely touched the ball in his 45 mins on the pitch. Hardly anybody passed to him. During Teague's time on the pitch, Japan often committed 9 outfield players in the Aus defensive half. This is extraordinary!
I'll do the Saudi game then list all the stats.
Maybe Popa's ability to construct such an impregnable defence is what Aus needs?
In 8 Popa WCQ games Aus has won 5 and drawn 3 - accruing 18 points.
Aus has scored 16 goals and conceded 6 over those 8 games.