Ruben Zadkovich leaves Roar

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Was always going to wnd badly for Rubo....

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[Noosa Lion]

For Brisbane Roar.....

What price more firepower? What price ruthlessness? What price match-winners, magic makers, killers in front of goal? That is one very obvious gap in their team development that cannot be put off for a moment longer. They inexplicably didn’t take it seriously as a priority last off season and probably won't the next.

So what half decent coach would take this club seriously???

 

[Noosa Lion]

Welcome to the forum.

Thanks

 

[grazorblade]

For Brisbane Roar.....

What price more firepower? What price ruthlessness? What price match-winners, magic makers, killers in front of goal? That is one very obvious gap in their team development that cannot be put off for a moment longer. They inexplicably didn’t take it seriously as a priority last off season and probably won't the next.

So what half decent coach would take this club seriously???

Welcome to the forum

 

[zimbos05]

I said a lot because there are a lot of elements that make up a review of a manager in my eyes - not just the results.

That you choose not to rate those elements in favour of the black and white results as your overriding assessment criteria is how you choose to see it instead. I can live with that.

The results say exactly what I spelled out in all those words - we leaked at the back at some point in most games and failed to score after creating opportunities at the other end. Everything that happened on the pitch between those failings also forms part of Zadkovich's success or failure as a coach though - which included a lot of good, some experimental madness at times, and some horrible stuff too.

Yes, it is exactly like when a club says they bossed possession but lost the match. I do not think I suggested otherwise. I also did not suggest that I was happy with how we ended up on the table or with how we played outright. But I can dislike that and still see value and good in the season under Zadkovich.

The point of difference is that I choose to view, and have always viewed, our progression from game to game in small increments of promise rather than being driven down by the simple fact of poor results. As the season progressed we had more of those moments and to me there has been a definite progression throughout the season, albeit painfully slow, until the final games when it produced results - again admittedly against the teams in our immediate vicinity at the bottom of the table.

I did not say Zadkovich needed more time - I said "I would have liked for Ruben to have the time and resources to prove himself with a stable and improved squad but that cannot happen at our club and results are the metric that rules when it comes down to it.". I stand by that. I would love for Ruben to have financial freedom to choose players, build a squad, keep the best the following season and improve on it. I would love for that to be possible to see how he would go. It isn't a realistic idea but it does not change the fact that I would like to see what Ruben can do under the best circumstances. He might turn out to be crap or he may work wonders - I have seen enough to wonder.

As for our history of budget conscious managers, I think Zadkovich has had the worst of it in the last decade or so. Ange and his immediate successors had the benefit of pre-Bakkries options with an eroding player base over time that held some quality for awhile. Looking at the squad all the way down to John Aloisi we are not talking about a similar budget to Zadkovich by any means. Fowler got to build his squad as he wanted and again his immediate successors had the benefit of those players brought in until probably Warren Moon saw the last of them off. It looks pretty clear to me that Zadkovich has inherited the bulk of his squad on relatively low salaries and has had the most restrictive spending of any coach so far. I have not seen the accounts, but just look at the players over the years and you can see that has to be true.

I did say he had failed to recruit well enough. You must have missed that part.

In black and white terms Zadkovich failed to produce results at this level, but it would be some awfully blinkered eyes that saw no good in his managing at all and could not see that the style of football we were trying to play was worth watching.

I'm not only basing it on results. I'm basing it on the style of football, the way we played, the way he managed the team and himself, and his ability as a coach.

The point is that Zadkovich was a bad coach and he led a terrible campaign. It just seems as though you are tyring to justify things, but there really isn't anything to justify. You said it yourself, those results came against teams at the bottom end of the table. This basically says that he could not compete with anything above that. It's not an investment I want to make long term.

Coaches should not be successful by how much they can spend, that is not a sign of a good coach. I'm not saying Zadkovich has had it easy, but lets not pretend that he is the only one to work on a shoestring budget.

No doubt we need the Bakries gone, but let's not try to pain these excruciating pictures of Zadkovich.

It really is just as simple as the fact that he was not good enough and needed to go. Simple. Like LFC says, no need for the overcomplicated sermons.

 

[RIMB]

I'm not only basing it on results. I'm basing it on the style of football, the way we played, the way he managed the team and himself, and his ability as a coach.

The point is that Zadkovich was a bad coach and he led a terrible campaign. It just seems as though you are tyring to justify things, but there really isn't anything to justify. You said it yourself, those results came against teams at the bottom end of the table. This basically says that he could not compete with anything above that. It's not an investment I want to make long term.

Coaches should not be successful by how much they can spend, that is not a sign of a good coach. I'm not saying Zadkovich has had it easy, but lets not pretend that he is the only one to work on a shoestring budget.

No doubt we need the Bakries gone, but let's not try to pain these excruciating pictures of Zadkovich.

It really is just as simple as the fact that he was not good enough and needed to go. Simple. Like LFC says, no need for the overcomplicated sermons.

I understand your point of view and your perspective. I don't begrudge you that or consider you wrong.

At the same time though I genuinely don't think it is possible for you to understand my perspective or appreciate the things that I see as progress and good football in general.

I take the time to explain my opinions because I think these subjects and our fellow posters are worth the effort - if you want to label them sermons then I'll keep seeing you here from my pulpit in the church of football.

Happy to end this here. As annoying and woke as it might sound I do appreciate you taking the time to discuss how differently we see things.

 

[WhatAmIWatching]

I understand your point of view and your perspective. I don't begrudge you that or consider you wrong.

At the same time though I genuinely don't think it is possible for you to understand my perspective or appreciate the things that I see as progress and good football in general.

I take the time to explain my opinions because I think these subjects and our fellow posters are worth the effort - if you want to label them sermons then I'll keep seeing you here from my pulpit in the church of football.

Happy to end this here. As annoying and woke as it might sound I do appreciate you taking the time to discuss how differently we see things.

I take your point which I think are valid. However, let me pose the question: the green shoots that we saw, are they there because of RZ or even if I was coaching those players those shoots would have been there anyway?

 

[zimbos05]

I understand your point of view and your perspective. I don't begrudge you that or consider you wrong.

At the same time though I genuinely don't think it is possible for you to understand my perspective or appreciate the things that I see as progress and good football in general.

I take the time to explain my opinions because I think these subjects and our fellow posters are worth the effort - if you want to label them sermons then I'll keep seeing you here from my pulpit in the church of football.

Happy to end this here. As annoying and woke as it might sound I do appreciate you taking the time to discuss how differently we see things.

I'm not dismissing your thoughts, I understand them and I know what you are saying.

What frustrates me is that in the past few years -not just with Ruben- there's this shift in the way fans think which isn't beneficial to the game.

The same happened with Ole, and happens with Arteta. This bending over backwards and "deep" analysis to justify and support. It doesn't have to be that deep.

Yes Ruben had some limitations from the club, but as a manager himself, he was limited. The roar are the only club in Qld. We should not be this bad considering the talent pool on offer to us and the resources we should be working with..
Why would you invoke the "woke". I don't buy into that right wing cra
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