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I didn't want to upset people and deliberated before making that post.

Most likely this will be a percentage outcome where there are significant higher incidences of certain conditions but doesn't necessarily mean everyone is going to succumb. There are a lot of variables involved.

The best thing people can do is cease taking any more shots of that particular technology if that was their intention.

Going forward be very skeptical of hyped pandemics (aka lead marketing campaigns).
 
Lupi said:
I didn't want to upset people and deliberated before making that post.

Most likely this will be a percentage outcome where there are significant higher incidences of certain conditions but doesn't necessarily mean everyone is going to succumb. There are a lot of variables involved.

The best thing people can do is cease taking any more shots of that particular technology if that was their intention.

Going forward be very skeptical of hyped pandemics (aka lead marketing campaigns).
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I've had people close to be who have succumbed. When the Pfizer document (obtained under Freedom of Information) says the average latency time of vax-to-stroke is 2 days ... and two people I care about got fatal strokes 2 days after getting the Pfizer vax ... there are people out there who will INSTANTLY dismiss that as "coincidence".

Here is the link to the Pfizer document where you can search for the word "stroke"

 
johnsmith said:

"FLORENCE, Italy, Dec 1 (Reuters) - Fiorentina midfielder Edoardo Bove is in intensive care after collapsing during their Serie A match against Inter Milan on Sunday."
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So who or what is responsible for this johnsmith? Are you trying to blame a Covid vaccine, or did God do it, or is it something else? Is the fact you have put it in the vaccine thread suggesting you believe that a vaccine was the culprit?
 
vo2Max said:
And?

According to FIFA 617 players from 67 different countries died by SCD between 2014-2018.

As you were.
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Ok, let's use your data to do a simple calculation.

617 deaths in FIFA over 4 years.

That's 617 / 4 = 154 deaths per year.

The excess death figures I've seen from UK and other western countries are typically around 14%. That is not 14% of the population dying. The increase in excess deaths is, when the typical number of deaths per year have remained rather constant over many decades, and then suddenly there's about a 14% jump in the number of people dying every year. And the shocking thing is, post-vaccine rollout, the excess deaths are often in younger people, not the older ones.

So, a 14% increase in deaths would be 154 x 0.14 = 21

The data indicates you'd expect to see 21 more deaths per year in FIFA.

A 21% increase in death rate cannot be proved, just by citing examples of players dying - the average bloke like @vo2Max will just laugh it off. It can only be seen in large-scale data published by all the major western countries, US, Canada, European Union, UK, AU, NZ etc.

That research paper from the Netherlands was reported in Australian Media:


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"German researchers have pointed out that the onset of excess mortality in early 2021 in the country coincided with the rollout of vaccines, which the team said “warranted further investigation”."​
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An except from the Netherlands paper:


Although COVID-19 vaccines were provided to guard civilians from suffering morbidity and mortality by the COVID-19 virus, .. ... phase III randomised clinical trials of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines showed that the Pfizer trial had a 36% higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group. ... The Moderna trial had a 6% higher risk of serious adverse events among vaccine recipients ... By definition, these serious adverse events lead to either death, are life-threatening, require inpatient (prolongation of) hospitalisation, cause persistent/significant disability/incapacity, concern a congenital anomaly/birth defect or include a medically important event according to medical judgement.​
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... most of these serious adverse events concern ... stroke, acute coronary syndrome and brain haemorrhage. This commonality hinders clinical suspicion and consequently its detection as adverse vaccine reactions. Both medical professionals and citizens have reported serious injuries and deaths following vaccination to various official databases in the Western World, such as VAERS in the USA, ...​
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bmjpublichealth.bmj.com

Excess mortality across countries in the Western World since the COVID-19 pandemic: ‘Our World in Data’ estimates of January 2020 to December 2022

Introduction Excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic has been substantial. Insight into excess death rates in years following WHO’s pandemic declaration is crucial for government leaders and policymakers to evaluate their health crisis policies. This study explores excess mortality in the...
bmjpublichealth.bmj.com bmjpublichealth.bmj.com


And for Aussies, remember that Melbourne University, Queensland University and Flinders University researchers made a review of peer-reviewed data on the danger of Covid vaccines. (August 2023)

www.mdpi.com

‘Spikeopathy’: COVID-19 Spike Protein Is Pathogenic, from Both Virus and Vaccine mRNA

The COVID-19 pandemic caused much illness, many deaths, and profound disruption to society. The production of ‘safe and effective’ vaccines was a key public health target. Sadly, unprecedented high rates of adverse events have overshadowed the benefits. This two-part narrative review presents...
www.mdpi.com www.mdpi.com

These Australian doctors, from Melbourne University, Queensland University and Flinders University, stated:

"These [NSW government] data do not support the premise that the vaccinations have ‘saved millions of lives’, but instead indicate correlations between more doses with severe COVID-19 illness warrants investigation."​
 
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johnsmith said:
So, a 14% increase in deaths would be 154 x 0.14 = 21

The data indicates you'd expect to see 21 more deaths per year in FIFA.

A 21% increase in death rate cannot be proved, just by citing examples of players dying - the average bloke like @vo2Max will just laugh it off. It can only be seen in large-scale data published by all the major western countries, US, Canada, European Union, UK, AU, NZ etc.
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You made the reference to a soccer player, so I responded with a reference to soccer player sudden cardiac deaths.

When people bloviate I start to yawn.
 
Keeper66 said:
So who or what is responsible for this johnsmith? Are you trying to blame a Covid vaccine, or did God do it, or is it something else? Is the fact you have put it in the vaccine thread suggesting you believe that a vaccine was the culprit?
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johnsmith, are you saying that this player collapsing was because he was vaccinated?
 
Keeper66 said:
johnsmith, are you saying that this player collapsing was because he was vaccinated?
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What we can say, based on the Netherlands research paper shows, it that: -- often doctors don't realise that many strokes, heart attacks and brain bleeds are a result of the MRNA Covid vaxes, as stated in this quote:

.. most of these serious adverse events concern ... stroke, acute coronary syndrome and brain haemorrhage. This commonality hinders clinical suspicion and consequently its detection as adverse vaccine reactions. Both medical professionals and citizens have reported serious injuries and deaths following vaccination to various official databases in the Western World, such as VAERS in the USA, ...​
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bmjpublichealth.bmj.com

Excess mortality across countries in the Western World since the COVID-19 pandemic: ‘Our World in Data’ estimates of January 2020 to December 2022

Introduction Excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic has been substantial. Insight into excess death rates in years following WHO’s pandemic declaration is crucial for government leaders and policymakers to evaluate their health crisis policies. This study explores excess mortality in the...
bmjpublichealth.bmj.com bmjpublichealth.bmj.com
 
johnsmith said:
What we can say, based on the Netherlands research paper shows, it that: -- often doctors don't realise that many strokes, heart attacks and brain bleeds are a result of the MRNA Covid vaxes, as stated in this quote:

.. most of these serious adverse events concern ... stroke, acute coronary syndrome and brain haemorrhage. This commonality hinders clinical suspicion and consequently its detection as adverse vaccine reactions. Both medical professionals and citizens have reported serious injuries and deaths following vaccination to various official databases in the Western World, such as VAERS in the USA, ...​
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bmjpublichealth.bmj.com

Excess mortality across countries in the Western World since the COVID-19 pandemic: ‘Our World in Data’ estimates of January 2020 to December 2022

Introduction Excess mortality during the COVID-19 pandemic has been substantial. Insight into excess death rates in years following WHO’s pandemic declaration is crucial for government leaders and policymakers to evaluate their health crisis policies. This study explores excess mortality in the...
bmjpublichealth.bmj.com bmjpublichealth.bmj.com
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So in other words, you have no basis at all for implying that the Covid vaccine caused the unfortunate medical episode this footballer experienced.

For someone who has been banging on about using evidence to analyse situations, but invariably does not do so but instead spews out AI-generated crap, posts videos of ultra-right wing lunatics trying to defend all of Trumps criminal and near-criminal actions, or references ridiculous evidence from discredited sources, this is exactly what I have come to expect from you as you try to justify your ridiculous posts.
 
Keeper66 said:
So in other words, you have no basis at all for implying that the Covid vaccine caused the unfortunate medical episode this footballer experienced.

For someone who has been banging on about using evidence to analyse situations, but invariably does not do so but instead spews out AI-generated crap, posts videos of ultra-right wing lunatics trying to defend all of Trumps criminal and near-criminal actions, or references ridiculous evidence from discredited sources, this is exactly what I have come to expect from you as you try to justify your ridiculous posts.
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Let me give you some scientific context. Click on the above link. This is a document written by Pfizer that they wanted to keep secret, for you never to see it ("don't touch; wet paint"). How are you able to see it? Because an organisation known as PHMPT, a group of scientists, sued Pfizer and forced them, under Freedom of Information, to hand over its side-effects data. Pfizer was so anxious that you DO NOT see this, that Pfizer fought to be given 75 years to hand over the data, i.e. when most people including children who took the vaccine would probably be either dead or too old to sue Pfizer.

news.bloomberglaw.com

Why a Judge Ordered FDA to Release Covid-19 Vaccine Data Pronto

A group of scientists and medical researchers sued the FDA under FOIA to force release of hundreds of thousands of documents related to licensing of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. Plaintiff’s attorney Aaron Siri, who is representing the group, explains the fight that led a federal court...
news.bloomberglaw.com news.bloomberglaw.com

Instead, the court gave Pfizer 1 year to hand over the documents, which reveal the mass of side effects that they never acknowledged publicly.

Look at Appendix 1 of this Pfizer document that spans 9 pages. It lists 1,290 potential side effects of the Pfizer vaccine.

Go on, I dare you to click the above link to see Appendix 1 with 1,290 potential side effects Pfizer is aware of. Remember, they never wanted you to see the above document. Pfizer fought in court to prevent it being seen for 75 years.

Why so many side effects? To understand that, you need to understand the mechanism of the MRNA code that was injected into 95% of Australians.

  1. TL;DR - because the artificial spike proteins are manufactured all over your body, in all the organs, that is why there are over 1,290 potential side effects listed by Pfizer.
  2. In the past, conventional-vaccines inject an inert virus-fragment, which prods your body’s immune system to fight against those inert fragments, by producing antibodies. The body is reacting naturally.

  3. In contrast, the new-technology vaccines force your body’s cells - contrary to nature - to manufacture something dangerous to itself, i.e. spike proteins that are similar to Covid.

  4. Then, once the body becomes aware of these dangerous substances - that your body itself has been forced to manufacture - the body then creates antibodies to fight them. The body is thus fighting spike proteins that were created by your own body. Genetic scientists are enthralled with this new technology.

  5. The Mainstream assures the public of the safety of the spike proteins that the body has been forced to manufacture. But, the fact is, the body reacts against them as being dangerous, because the body responds by creating antibodies to fight them. Plainly speaking, the new-technology can only work if the body treats the artificial spike proteins as being dangerous.
  6. How then can the Mainstream say that these artificial spike proteins are safe? Because of the unquestioned-assumption that the body successfully destroy all the artificial spike proteins. Now, studies show that these artificial spike proteins are made by your body's cells, and no one really knows how long for - because no one wants to find out by doing research.
Hence, because Pfizer's document lists 1,290 potential side effects, IT IS VERY EASY for doctors to say any given side effect -- out of those 1,290 -- aren't linked to the vax. Has there ever been a substance that has so many side effects? I don't know. What I do know is that the Pfizer CEO said this is a brand new technology, for which they never before had put a product to market.

https://rumble.com/v3rsgqp-dna-in-the-covid-jab-interview-with-jessica-rose-viva-viva-frei-live.html

And when this new technology, that Pfizer had never put to market before, the world's Media assures you that it is "safe and effective" -- 95% of the population went with it, no questions asked.

None of the above is generated by A.I. Those times when I quote A.I., I say so.
 
johnsmith said:

Let me give you some scientific context. Click on the above link. This is a document written by Pfizer that they wanted to keep secret, for you never to see it ("don't touch; wet paint"). How are you able to see it? Because an organisation known as PHMPT, a group of scientists, sued Pfizer and forced them, under Freedom of Information, to hand over its side-effects data. Pfizer was so anxious that you DO NOT see this, that Pfizer fought to be given 75 years to hand over the data, i.e. when most people including children who took the vaccine would probably be either dead or too old to sue Pfizer.

news.bloomberglaw.com

Why a Judge Ordered FDA to Release Covid-19 Vaccine Data Pronto

A group of scientists and medical researchers sued the FDA under FOIA to force release of hundreds of thousands of documents related to licensing of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine. Plaintiff’s attorney Aaron Siri, who is representing the group, explains the fight that led a federal court...
news.bloomberglaw.com news.bloomberglaw.com

Instead, the court gave Pfizer 1 year to hand over the documents, which reveal the mass of side effects that they never acknowledged publicly.

Look at Appendix 1 of this Pfizer document that spans 9 pages. It lists 1,290 potential side effects of the Pfizer vaccine.

Go on, I dare you to click the above link to see Appendix 1 with 1,290 potential side effects Pfizer is aware of. Remember, they never wanted you to see the above document. Pfizer fought in court to prevent it being seen for 75 years.

Why so many side effects? To understand that, you need to understand the mechanism of the MRNA code that was injected into 95% of Australians.

  1. TL;DR - because the artificial spike proteins are manufactured all over your body, in all the organs, that is why there are over 1,290 potential side effects listed by Pfizer.
  2. In the past, conventional-vaccines inject an inert virus-fragment, which prods your body’s immune system to fight against those inert fragments, by producing antibodies. The body is reacting naturally.

  3. In contrast, the new-technology vaccines force your body’s cells - contrary to nature - to manufacture something dangerous to itself, i.e. spike proteins that are similar to Covid.

  4. Then, once the body becomes aware of these dangerous substances - that your body itself has been forced to manufacture - the body then creates antibodies to fight them. The body is thus fighting spike proteins that were created by your own body. Genetic scientists are enthralled with this new technology.

  5. The Mainstream assures the public of the safety of the spike proteins that the body has been forced to manufacture. But, the fact is, the body reacts against them as being dangerous, because the body responds by creating antibodies to fight them. Plainly speaking, the new-technology can only work if the body treats the artificial spike proteins as being dangerous.
  6. How then can the Mainstream say that these artificial spike proteins are safe? Because of the unquestioned-assumption that the body successfully destroy all the artificial spike proteins. Now, studies show that these artificial spike proteins are made by your body's cells, and no one really knows how long for - because no one wants to find out by doing research.
Hence, because Pfizer's document lists 1,290 potential side effects, IT IS VERY EASY for doctors to say any given side effect -- out of those 1,290 -- aren't linked to the vax. Has there ever been a substance that has so many side effects? I don't know. What I do know is that the Pfizer CEO said this is a brand new technology, for which they never before had put a product to market.

https://rumble.com/v3rsgqp-dna-in-the-covid-jab-interview-with-jessica-rose-viva-viva-frei-live.html

And when this new technology, that Pfizer had never put to market before, the world's Media assures you that it is "safe and effective" -- 95% of the population went with it, no questions asked.

None of the above is generated by A.I. Those times when I quote A.I., I say so.
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You don’t get it, do you. Or maybe you probably do, but you plough on regardless. There is no suggestion of any evidence linking this unfortunate occurrence to vaccination. Instead you try to use the incident, without evidence, to back up your sermons.
 
Keeper66 said:
You don’t get it, do you. Or maybe you probably do, but you plough on regardless. There is no suggestion of any evidence linking this unfortunate occurrence to vaccination. Instead you try to use the incident, without evidence, to back up your sermons.
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Title: "Sudden cardiac death risk in contact sports increased by myocarditis: a case series"

petermcculloughmd.substack.com

"Sudden cardiac death risk in contact sports increased by myocarditis: a case series"

A 2021 paper in the "European Heart Journal" provides additional grounds for considering subclinical vaccine-induced myocarditis as a possible contributing factor to Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest.
petermcculloughmd.substack.com petermcculloughmd.substack.com
 
U.S. Court ruling, 6 December 2024 i.e. yesterday.

Quote from the Court's Conclusion at page 9 of the ruling, which you can see with your own eyes at this link:

The Court concluded:

"“The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.” ... (statement of Patrick Henry). The Covid-19 pandemic is long passed and so has any legitimate reason for concealing from the American people the information relied upon by the government in approving the Pfizer Vaccine."​

www.thegatewaypundit.com

Judicial Bombshell: Federal Judge Forces FDA to Release Over a Million Pages of Pfizer’s COVID-19 Trial Documents They Wanted to Keep Hidden for 75 Years | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hᴏft

The United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas ruled against the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in a high-profile case brought by the Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency (PHMPT).
www.thegatewaypundit.com www.thegatewaypundit.com

"The decision mandates the FDA to release the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) file for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine no later than June 30, 2025.​
The case stemmed from a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by the PHMPT, which sought comprehensive data related to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.​
The FDA initially claimed it would need up to 75 years to process and release the requested documents."​

Some of you guys, like @Muz and @tsf have been tussling with me on these forums for maybe 4-5+ years. In that time, I've learned to shake my head in disbelief, that the average Australian can see hard data -- can read the Court's judgment in writing -- that FDA and Pfizer wanted to keep their data hidden for 75 years on the Covid MRNA vaccines .... and think nothing of it.

It's not just you guys. Your response to this is like virtually everyone in society. You guys are the norm in society. Even more, you guys are the norm in the history of the world over thousands of years. Most people are like you. And you're willing to throw verbal bricks at me when I cite written evidence and facts. And you'll insult me for not giving facts and evidence, when here is a document written by a Court.

Regarding the vaccines, it's too late to sound the alarm, because 95% of you took it. But the future ramifications are that 95% of people bring this method of making decisions to the most important decision of their life. i.e. you will mock evidence presented to you, and instead side with people that you trust.
 
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95% got an mRna vaccine?

Are you sure?

Thought the Astra Zeneca vax accounted for a large portion of Aussies?
 
vo2Max said:
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95% got an mRna vaccine?

Are you sure?

Thought the Astra Zeneca vax accounted for a large portion of Aussies?
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"Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID vaccine induces cell spikes similar to SARS-CoV-2's"

www.news-medical.net

Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID vaccine induces cell spikes similar to SARS-CoV-2's

Scientists from the University of Oxford and the University of Southampton report in the journal ACS Central Science that cells infected with the ChAdOx1 vaccine produce spike proteins on the cells similar to those produced by natural SARS-CoV-2 infection.
www.news-medical.net www.news-medical.net

I have over 60 articles about the dangers of the AZ. Indications are that AZ was slightly less severe than Pfizer, but still not good. I can affirm that firstly by referring to news articles and journal reports, as well as testimonies of friends who took AZ.
 
johnsmith said:
"Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID vaccine induces cell spikes similar to SARS-CoV-2's"

www.news-medical.net

Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID vaccine induces cell spikes similar to SARS-CoV-2's

Scientists from the University of Oxford and the University of Southampton report in the journal ACS Central Science that cells infected with the ChAdOx1 vaccine produce spike proteins on the cells similar to those produced by natural SARS-CoV-2 infection.
www.news-medical.net www.news-medical.net

I have over 60 articles about the dangers of the AZ. Indications are that AZ was slightly less severe than Pfizer, but still not good. I can affirm that firstly by referring to news articles and journal reports, as well as testimonies of friends who took AZ.
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All good.

Merely clearing up the fact that 95% did not take an mRna vaccine.

Thanks for confirming.

As for anecdotal stuff re these vaccines, I don't know a single person who was "vaccine injured". Lucky, I guess.
 
vo2Max said:
As for anecdotal stuff re these vaccines, I don't know a single person who was "vaccine injured". Lucky, I guess.
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My guess is you're not "lucky".

First, most people I talk to know a few.

Second, most people who were injured by the MRNA vaxes often share that information only with a select few. It's not something that most people want their entire circle to know. For example, some friends I only found out when a friend-of-a-friend shared the information.

Third, vax-injured don't tend to tell people who are Un-Sympathetic to vax injuries. So, give the statistics of how many people have been injured --- and no one has told you -- either (1) there are few vax injured out there, or (2) you're the type of person that vax-injured tend not to tell.

If you're the type who has not done any searching for vax-injuries, and you mock people who suggest that -- then the vax-injured will identify you as a person not to tell.
 
Lupi said:
I didn't want to upset people and deliberated before making that post.

Most likely this will be a percentage outcome where there are significant higher incidences of certain conditions but doesn't necessarily mean everyone is going to succumb. There are a lot of variables involved.

The best thing people can do is cease taking any more shots of that particular technology if that was their intention.

Going forward be very skeptical of hyped pandemics (aka lead marketing campaigns).
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You seem to be suggesting that the pandemic was a planned overhyped event?

We can't even get Labor and Liberals to agree on shit, how are more than 200 govt's going to agree to something on that scale.

You are also diminishing the deaths that occured across the globe.
 
zimbos05 said:
You seem to be suggesting that the pandemic was a planned overhyped event?

We can't even get Labor and Liberals to agree on shit, how are more than 200 govt's going to agree to something on that scale.

You are also diminishing the deaths that occured across the globe.
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Think, think of all the scenarios.

You, thinking one-dimensionally, dismiss it all by ONLY assuming it could have happened by massive groups of politicians scheming together.

No, if you read the independent media, most of the covert operations are done by non-politician bureaucrats (do some research on the term "Deep State").

oversight.house.gov

FINAL REPORT: COVID Select Concludes 2-Year Investigation, Issues 500+ Page Final Report on Lessons Learned and the Path Forward - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
oversight.house.gov oversight.house.gov

oversight.house.gov

After Action Review of the COVID-19 Pandemic: The Lessons Learned and a Path Forward - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability
oversight.house.gov oversight.house.gov


Quoted from the above:

"A summary of the information can be found below:​
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The Origins of the Coronavirus Pandemic, Including but Not Limited to the Federal Government’s Funding of Gain-of-Function Research​
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COVID-19 ORIGIN: COVID-19 most likely emerged from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The FIVE strongest arguments in favor of the “lab leak” theory include:​
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  1. The virus possesses a biological characteristic that is not found in nature.
  2. Data shows that all COVID-19 cases stem from a single introduction into humans. This runs contrary to previous pandemics where there were multiple spillover events.
  3. Wuhan is home to China’s foremost SARS research lab, which has a history of conducting gain-of-function research at inadequate biosafety levels.
  4. Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researchers were sick with a COVID-like virus in the fall of 2019, months before COVID-19 was discovered at the wet market.
  5. By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced.
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PROXIMAL ORIGIN PUBLICATION: “The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” publication — which was used repeatedly by public health officials and the media to discredit the lab leak theory — was prompted by Dr. Fauci to push the preferred narrative that COVID-19 originated in nature.​
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GAIN-OF-FUNCTION RESEARCH: A lab-related incident involving gain-of-function research is most likely the origin of COVID-19. Current government mechanisms for overseeing this dangerous gain-of-function research are incomplete, severely convoluted, and lack global applicability."​
 
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