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Originally Hamas was founded in the early days of the first Intifada uprising in 1987, founded to liberate Palestine. An offshoot of the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood.

But one of the problem's with the modern Hamas is that most of their current members are not even ethnic Palestinians. They are Johnny come lately's who were hoofed out of other Sunni terror groups like ISIS, Jamaat Nusrat Al-Islam wal Muslimeen and Al-Shabaab when those groups were defeated ot drummed down in their particular terrorist operations.

They have drifted into Gaza because there was nowhere else for them to go. Their goal isnt so much the liberation of Palestine but to kill Jewish people. This is first and foremost in their ambitions.

My criticism has never been with the 2 million or so Palestinians but with the 50,000 members of Hamas. Well 25,000 now.....
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You're saying groups of Islamists banded together with the aim of eradicating those who think differently? Well how dare they! Could never see that coming. Nope, not even 2000 years ago.
 
I'm not naive. I'm quite sure that I understand my religion and it's teaching better than people who've never studied it nor understand it.

Islam has been the target of hate for decades. Heck, we have politicians in our parliament that opens spout Islamic hate and vitriol, and then get elected. You want Muslims to sit quietly and acquiesce. Less than 1% of Muslims are extremists. But sure, label the whole religion as being the way you want your bias to.

Muslins have always condemned violence, but because it never fits the narrative, you'll keep saying we never do.
Why would Islam be the target of hate? Wouldn't have anything to do with centuries of issues where ever it goes and being the modern world's backward pest. Of course the law of averages will have people in that faith who denounce the bad behaviour. Unfortunately these voices can only go so far and it's a tough battle against the hardliners or even moderates. The UAE and Malaysia are interesting examples of how it seemingly can work.

The issue is there are still too many who secretly enjoy their faith's beliefs encroaching on western societies and don't want to try and integrate. Why is it there always need to be special provisions for this group in every aspect of society? We don't see it doth Vietnamese, Brazilians, Polish or Japanese. Wonder why...
 
Or in this case, the systemic apartheid and genocide of the Palestinian people, and the western world blind to it.

Netanyahu is a war criminal who should face punishment for his crimes.

Hamas is bad.

Both those things are true.
If only social media was round 100 years ago, the Armenians could have used the same support I suppose... Im not even going to bother mentioning the 7-8 current genocides happening today.

Both of your statements above are 100 true I agree.... Both Netanyahu and Hamas (and the rest of them) should cease to exist if we want a peaceful world.... That IS the end goal right? .... right?
 
Or in this case, the systemic apartheid and genocide of the Palestinian people, and the western world blind to it.

Netanyahu is a war criminal who should face punishment for his crimes.

Hamas is bad.

Both those things are true.
Chicken or the egg with these two. The rest of the world should have left them to sort it as it's been happening for thousands of years with or without western involvement.
 
Something about wiping a whole race of people off the face of the earth somehow doesn't give off very noble vibes...
Which was a major tenet of Hamas's founding charter of 1987 and still is today.....

Article 7 of the Hamas Charter

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).
That's Jew not Zionists....

Or are the two only mutually exclusive when it suits the narrative.
 
Why would Islam be the target of hate? Wouldn't have anything to do with centuries of issues where ever it goes and being the modern world's backward pest. Of course the law of averages will have people in that faith who denounce the bad behaviour. Unfortunately these voices can only go so far and it's a tough battle against the hardliners or even moderates. The UAE and Malaysia are interesting examples of how it seemingly can work.

The issue is there are still too many who secretly enjoy their faith's beliefs encroaching on western societies and don't want to try and integrate. Why is it there always need to be special provisions for this group in every aspect of society? We don't see it doth Vietnamese, Brazilians, Polish or Japanese. Wonder why...
You know what. You're right. No other religion has engaged in religious violence and created problems for the world. I've never ever heard of crusades of violence carried out in the name of god for the Christian faith, or the systemic abuse and indoctrination of children stolen from their families placed into missionaries to eliminate their bloodline. Nope, never seen the genocide of Bosnian Muslims.

Not like the USA currently has rampant evangelical extremists running government policy.

The law of averages is 99% of the followers of that religion are non-violent. As you say, Islam has never contributed anything. Not coffee, algebra, university, guitar, flying, clocks, toothbrush, optics, cameras...

You are spouting views akin to Pauline Hanson, which only show lack of education as well as arrogance to learn. It's not special provisions. They don't encroach on anyone, their life or their belief. This view that it's special provisions stems for lack of education on the topics. Take halal for example. Been scientifically proven that halal meat is cleaner than machine slaughter. Lo and behold we require a place to pray for 5 minutes. Take time out to centre ourselves in this busy world and refresh. So sorry that we don't drink alcohol. Last I checked, wasn't on my bucket list to be at work sitting under the desk unable to speak because I was drunk from the night before like my colleague was.

Yeah, no other group of people has ever asked for a provision to be made, ever.
 
Chicken or the egg with these two. The rest of the world should have left them to sort it as it's been happening for thousands of years with or without western involvement.
The rest of the world tried, through multiple UN resolutions. Israel chose to ignore those
 
Which was a major tenet of Hamas's founding charter of 1987 and still is today.....

Article 7 of the Hamas Charter


That's Jew not Zionists....

Or are the two only mutually exclusive when it suits the narrative.
Yo...still ignoring what's been said.

In 2017 Hamas revised it's charter. The second amendment (irony) was,

"Second, to distinguish between Jews or Judaism and modern Zionism. Hamas said that its fight was against the “racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist” Zionist project, Israel, but not against Judaism or Jews."

Let me guess, you'll ignore that and still keep spouting, bUt ThE JeWS,
 
Yo...still ignoring what's been said.

In 2017 Hamas revised it's charter. The second amendment (irony) was,

"Second, to distinguish between Jews or Judaism and modern Zionism. Hamas said that its fight was against the “racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionist” Zionist project, Israel, but not against Judaism or Jews."

Let me guess, you'll ignore that and still keep spouting, bUt ThE JeWS,
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).


You say you are not Hamas but you keep parroting their propaganda....
 
You know what. You're right. No other religion has engaged in religious violence and created problems for the world. I've never ever heard of crusades of violence carried out in the name of god for the Christian faith, or the systemic abuse and indoctrination of children stolen from their families placed into missionaries to eliminate their bloodline. Nope, never seen the genocide of Bosnian Muslims.

Not like the USA currently has rampant evangelical extremists running government policy.

The law of averages is 99% of the followers of that religion are non-violent. As you say, Islam has never contributed anything. Not coffee, algebra, university, guitar, flying, clocks, toothbrush, optics, cameras...

You are spouting views akin to Pauline Hanson, which only show lack of education as well as arrogance to learn. It's not special provisions. They don't encroach on anyone, their life or their belief. This view that it's special provisions stems for lack of education on the topics. Take halal for example. Been scientifically proven that halal meat is cleaner than machine slaughter. Lo and behold we require a place to pray for 5 minutes. Take time out to centre ourselves in this busy world and refresh. So sorry that we don't drink alcohol. Last I checked, wasn't on my bucket list to be at work sitting under the desk unable to speak because I was drunk from the night before like my colleague was.

Yeah, no other group of people has ever asked for a provision to be made, ever.
I'm referring to the modern day. Societies across the world don't want these Islamic provisions. Try that in Japan. Koreans don't want it. The Philippines know only too well it's created rebel groups.

You well and truly know what happens once a solid percentage of reached and people speak out against it. You'll be dismissed and in some places, murdered.

Why does prayer time need to be done out in public in large groups or directly on footpaths? Sure, this isn't every single time but they're doing their best to assert dominance. Again, provisions in schools and society more and more for one group while anyone else different does their best to assimilate and not be perpetually offended.
 
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).


You say you are not Hamas but you keep parroting their propaganda....
And you claim to be impartial, but keep ignoring when debunked.
 
Which was a major tenet of Hamas's founding charter of 1987 and still is today.....

Article 7 of the Hamas Charter


That's Jew not Zionists....

Or are the two only mutually exclusive when it suits the narrative.
Do you want to convince us water is wet too?

Nobody gives a fark about Hamas or supports them here.
 
I'm referring to the modern day. Societies across the world don't want these Islamic provisions. Try that in Japan. Koreans don't want it. The Philippines know only too well it's created rebel groups.

You well and truly know what happens once a solid percentage of reached and people speak out against it. You'll be dismissed and in some places, murdered.

Why does prayer time need to be done out in public in large groups or directly on footpaths? Sure, this isn't every single time but they're doing their best to assert dominance. Again, provisions in schools and society more and more for one group while anyone else different does their best to assimilate and not be perpetually offended
Ah, so you moved the goalposts. Anyway, there still is modern Christian extremism.

Well that is extremely hyperbolic, because not true. Again, majority of the objections stem form lack of education. It's why China has Muslims in worker camps, treated as slaves.

Prayer time has 5 set times throughout the day. Prayer can be performed anyway. Granted, when blocking a footpath, or impeding on others, the prayer is not accepted. That is not the religion, that is people just being idiots, and not the teachings of the religion.

Oh please, do tell me about these provisions in schools that only Muslims get, and no other group does. Before you spout something you read on a Facebook moma group, I work in a school, so know all the policy and provisions
 
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