ALM/W TV deal

[libelous]

I don’t think the franchise model ever suited football here and now has created this rift between fans.
The only solution is to return to a level playing field ( pun intended) so that all clubs that want to participate at the highest level can do so through their achievements on the playing field.

 

[BA81]

I don’t think it’s negative to want a true football pyramid and the franchise model doesn’t want to be part of that.
I don’t think it’s true that people on here are ‘attacking ‘ the A League but for many Frank Lowy started THIS divide and Lowy jnr and David Gallop exacerbated it.

And I for one have zero trust in Heather Garriock & Stephen Conroy being the ones to end said divide. They’ll continue what’s been business-as-usual for the past 20 years w/nary a second thought

 

[Midfielder]

I don’t think the franchise model ever suited football here and now has created this rift between fans.
The only solution is to return to a level playing field ( pun intended) so that all clubs that want to participate at the highest level can do so through their achievements on the playing field.

Mate for heaven's sake, I said I want a full FIFA model....and yes it's not negative saying you want it...

But aside from a couple of years we have never had P & R... your right when the NSL had no P & R, association clubs and members were not constantly calling for P n R.

But I digress, my point was in answer to why some posters are leaving or not posting as regularly as before.

I believe its in part because if we start a thread about a media deal, P & R comes up, if its a thread about crowds P & R comes up, if we starting talking about stadium food P & R would come up.

It needs to be discussed but IMO in a thread all of its own...I will start one... Happy to discuss P & R but not every day of the week on every thread...

 

[HappyGuus]

Mate for heaven's sake, I said I want a full FIFA model....and yes it's not negative saying you want it...

But aside from a couple of years we have never had P & R... your right when the NSL had no P & R, association clubs and members were not constantly calling for P n R.

But I digress, my point was in answer to why some posters are leaving or not posting as regularly as before.

I believe its in part because if we start a thread about a media deal, P & R comes up, if its a thread about crowds P & R comes up, if we starting talking about stadium food P & R would come up.

It needs to be discussed but IMO in a thread all of its own...I will start one... Happy to discuss P & R but not every day of the week on every thread...

We have one already

Thread 'Promotion and Relegation is vital for Football in Australia'

Oct 21, 2024

NOW, its an offical forum... hehehehe have at it boys and girls.

• Monoethnic Social Club
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[LFC]

LFC

Football Australia Pioneers Gatekeeper Broadcast Model in World-First for Multi-Tier Sports Production

Football Australia is pleased to announc

www.footballaustralia.com.au

That's old news but excellent news.... and lets hope its an outrageous success...

yes its old recent news that not sure CS recalled it - nothing more and fingers crossed the larger game below gets the start it richly deserves and for the long term future we agree mate.

Equally I want A-L broadcasting to be an outrageous success....

Wish you luck seriously.

You posted above re I presume you mean Waz, and commented its good to see you posting here instead of reddit... as I posted never even read any article on reddit on anything, never mind posting there..... however you do raise an interesting why do some obviously Football folk post less on here than what they use to post and some have gone...

yes my bad, either ither for me, correct roar, both variants have alot of questionable outlooks, yes like here human nature Middy, they see it their way here other posters opposite, its ok were all family.

For me and remember I support all levels of Football in Australia and been involved in Football for over 65 years....

What I find on this site is a lot of negativity towards the A-L.... mostly around the Football pyramid and the franchise model the A-L uses...

you call it negativity, I see it as robust/discussion amongst all of us invested in the game.
Unfortunately it does go in circles were silly I agree.

Personally I want P & R, I want 32 + professional teams, I want successful national teams, etc etc etc.... however I have been around Football since I was 5, followed a NSW Association side Auburn, then Blacktown Demons when I lived there, when back from overseas I followed The Northern Spirit, and today the Central Coast Mariners.... played until I was 63 when a health condition stopped me playing... coached sides, sat on local Football committees...

I am not claiming anything special, about me...

here here re all the above give or take few years younger - shame the health forced you to put your boots up, its hard letting go, I've gave in after last season more so due to my luving suffering football widow as she calls it.
Maybe lace up again next season fingers crossed.

My experience over all my Football life is no one has ever been happy, from the 1955 take over forward... the never ending negativity towards Football for 70 + years by Football folk...

Unfortunately its damn complicated due to so so many factors hence why were still in this mess agree its frustrating.

People get sick to death of both the argument and often attacks on those with different views...

Because nothing much gets sorted out but band aid options - if I ran my business like football - have one go this way one go that way you always are chasing your tail for one ends up carrying the other.

Further and it should never be forgotten, the A-L has been around now for 20 years, and for most fans under 40 this is their competition.... so if the A-L falls over then the circle will continue with these fans wanting a return to now.

catch22/double edged sword I agree, come a time someone or somebody/FA has to put the foot down my friend and damn well LEAD, one is not working and wnated to go alone, then you have amatuer/semi pro one, 2 paths/entities DO NOT fit nor work together but they need each other though one won't budge, people need to accept this instead of hanging on by thread.
APL/invested wealthy owners will NOT work with State Feds/Association levels unless on their terms, their right looking at this way for I would as well IF I owned a shop for damned if I would succumb dealing in semi pro let alone a Championship where I could suffer more loss's.

I have no idea how to solve the P & R issue, but I know attacking the A-L is not the answer, we need a strong and successful professional league to drag in revenue and eyes.

The AL is attacking itself more than us keyboard posters, lucky these investors can afford/absorb this pretty shaky business of 20yrs, do you ever consider that saying we know of old, got sold a pup ?

TBH I haven't noticed P/R brought up much of late, you/me/most just want the game to be as one and all in like we know it is world over more than not.
How is the APL owners going to back down come to a treaty Middy really, put yoursleves in their finacial owners boots.
I hear you were going round in circles - if it drives people away I think the same applies at the other 2 forums re football, hence I keep saying you can't have 2 systems for you will always have division but at least we all hang in there like a very low block defensive unit

 

[grazorblade]

Mate for heaven's sake, I said I want a full FIFA model....and yes it's not negative saying you want it...

But aside from a couple of years we have never had P & R... your right when the NSL had no P & R, association clubs and members were not constantly calling for P n R.

But I digress, my point was in answer to why some posters are leaving or not posting as regularly as before.

I believe its in part because if we start a thread about a media deal, P & R comes up, if its a thread about crowds P & R comes up, if we starting talking about stadium food P & R would come up.

It needs to be discussed but IMO in a thread all of its own...I will start one... Happy to discuss P & R but not every day of the week on every thread...

this is an oz football forum that's how it rolls haha

Why aren't we producing the next harry kewell? Lack of p&r
Why aren't people watching the a league? Lack of p&r
Why won't my kids eat the food I made them? Have you tried promotion and relegation?

 

[Robbos]

same same different - there will always be the have's and have nots, shuffling of the deck - no matter the type of funding it comes from.
Least Derby and every/any other club no matter the Div world over have the opportunity to go UP let alone DOWN, thats football

There is no doubt, I doubt there is one person on this forum that doesn't want Pro/Reg, but we are not in the position to change that, so I accept that.

Likewise, every club that was promoted from Championship last year, will be happy to get 17th spot this year in the P/L and the normal Oil money or Hedge fund money club will again win the P/L, this too, while very boring, I have to accept.
You & I came from a time where Derby, QPR, Watford, Notts Forest all came up from 2nd tier football & did well in the premiership, as a matter of fact Notts Forest went from 2nd division (Championship) to win the Div 1 (P/L) & then the following year won the European cup (champions cup) 2 years running all in the space of 4 years.
Never going to happen again

 

[Cunningstunt]

this is an oz football forum that's how it rolls haha

Why aren't we producing the next harry kewell? Lack of p&r
Why aren't people watching the a league? Lack of p&r
Why won't my kids eat the food I made them? Have you tried promotion and relegation?

I think traditinal P/R would be a neutral outcome for the league and aus football in the best case. The biggest impact would be satisfying a lot of die hards, general public would not care, which is what drives potential revenue streams from media deals. I get the fascination of it for football people, but I think there are more pressing concerns.

 

[grazorblade]

I think traditinal P/R would be a neutral outcome for the league and aus football in the best case. The biggest impact would be satisfying a lot of die hards, general public would not care, which is what drives potential revenue streams from media deals. I get the fascination of it for football people, but I think there are more pressing concerns.

there is research on p&r. I wrote an article summarizing some of it

https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/07/24/why-promotion-relegation-proponents-are-right-even-though-pyramid-would-cost-football-australia-a-fortune/

 

[LFC]

There is no doubt, I doubt there is one person on this forum that doesn't want Pro/Reg, but we are not in the position to change that, so I accept that.

Likewise, every club that was promoted from Championship last year, will be happy to get 17th spot this year in the P/L and the normal Oil money or Hedge fund money club will again win the P/L, this too, while very boring, I have to accept.
You & I came from a time where Derby, QPR, Watford, Notts Forest all came up from 2nd tier football & did well in the premiership, as a matter of fact Notts Forest went from 2nd division (Championship) to win the Div 1 (P/L) & then the following year won the European cup (champions cup) 2 years running all in the space of 4 years.
Never going to happen again

My fam always say, never say never robbos and gday mate hope your outback hols was enjoyable.
This forum I get there's always hope for P/R and we all know won't happen if at all sometime yet......
Don't think many go on about it of late more so HOPE the Championship just gets up and running first and foremost and go from there what path it leads us.

Yep not the same as the ol days, we had a great time ! nothing ever stays the same otherwise your behind and new records are to be made, the past we're brilliant but now history.
We like it or lump it.........christ FSG have done wonders for LFC, cherish it alot seeing a past beaten down great get back on top after so so so many years being left behind.
We've been fortunate a decent well off consortium get it and smart as, unfortunately some other clubs just are not as enticing but theres hope like Wrexham. I see Bale is hoping to get approved getting into Cardiff atm.
So never say never but its different and its open competiton.
Alot money in the modern world due to broadcasting yaddayadda how the game/all sports go commercially.
As for any major league and the levels below there is always those that go up and down annually, every single level not just the Top back to Championship and not just the modern $ times, boring ? for some yes ofcourse and others excitement, anxiety, frustration, highs lows, thats sport no matter when the times at least the leagues provide opportunity despite $ divides.
In the end we both know sooner or later the top end (RM/Barca/Juve etc) will look to drift away and set their own leagues, then its a reboot for the rest of the Clubs. (exciting actually when that occurs)
Won't like it first up but importantly the next ones step up in the normal leagues and be recycle rinse what developed the previous 40/50yrs.

AL has similar more big club winners without P/R.
SFC/MV the bulk of Plates and seats.
CCM/MC
BR a couple oh PG think Newy won once.
the rest not much to boast about nor much chance and its a regulated league and same same every season.

 

[Cunningstunt]

My fam always say, never say never robbos and gday mate hope your outback hols was enjoyable.
This forum I get there's always hope for P/R and we all know won't happen if at all sometime yet......
Don't think many go on about it of late more so HOPE the Championship just gets up and running first and foremost and go from there what path it leads us.

Yep not the same as the ol days, we had a great time ! nothing ever stays the same otherwise your behind and new records are to be made, the past we're brilliant but now history.
We like it or lump it.........christ FSG have done wonders for LFC, cherish it alot seeing a past beaten down great get back on top after so so so many years being left behind.
We've been fortunate a decent well off consortium get it and smart as, unfortunately some other clubs just are not as enticing but theres hope like Wrexham. I see Bale is hoping to get approved getting into Cardiff atm.
So never say never but its different and its open competiton.
Alot money in the modern world due to broadcasting yaddayadda how the game/all sports go commercially.
As for any major league and the levels below there is always those that go up and down annually, every single level not just the Top back to Championship and not just the modern $ times, boring ? for some yes ofcourse and others excitement, anxiety, frustration, highs lows, thats sport no matter when the times at least the leagues provide opportunity despite $ divides.
In the end we both know sooner or later the top end (RM/Barca/Juve etc) will look to drift away and set their own leagues, then its a reboot for the rest of the Clubs. (exciting actually when that occurs)
Won't like it first up but importantly the next ones step up in the normal leagues and be recycle rinse what developed the previous 40/50yrs.

AL has similar more big club winners without P/R.
SFC/MV the bulk of Plates and seats.
CCM/MC
BR a couple oh PG think Newy won once.
the rest not much to boast about nor much chance and its a regulated league and same same every season.

Only Wellington have not won anything. This simply does not occur in Europe. The salary cap has worked as intended and with the rolling back of salary exceptions, expect to see the league tighten up again.

Interesting article grazor. maybe those benefits would roll into the sport long term. As you point out the initial cost is the barrier. I think that barrier runs pushes 100 million in a very short space of time, ie completely unfeasible.

 

[libelous]

Why is it that every time someone mentions achieving a football pyramid it becomes an enormous problem because it would (possibly) involve pro/rel. Most of the leagues in the world have some kind of pyramid system and some do involve pro/rel but here everyone gets filled with dread at the very thought.
Japan has a very robust pyramid system and at times big clubs get relegated but the whole thing hasn’t collapsed.
Currently Yokohama Marinos are bottom of J1 league and could possibly get relegated but I don’t think the sky has fallen in there.

 

[LFC]

add Bulls CS and for robbos
Talk Premiers put aside the aussie way of finals first past the post.
Much like the early days of UK Div1 pre EPL me and robbos discuss there was a variety of winners, it no matter regulated just path of the course early league days just as AL.
Premiers
9 diff winners
MV/SFC now incl MC have 8 Premiers between them - the usual suspects as mentioned.
CCM 2
AU BR PG WSW Auck 1 each.
All good CS.

Throw in your Final Champs 9 x big clubs
SFC 4 big club
MV 3 big club
BR 3
CCM 2
MC 2 big club
Jets/AU/WU 1

So early days granted salry cap and regulated league has some variety - not new but as time moves forward the biggger clubs will win more than not.
Its just the way it goes and will in the end.

 

[Robbos]

Only Wellington have not won anything. This simply does not occur in Europe. The salary cap has worked as intended and with the rolling back of salary exceptions, expect to see the league tighten up again.

Interesting article grazor. maybe those benefits would roll into the sport long term. As you point out the initial cost is the barrier. I think that barrier runs pushes 100 million in a very short space of time, ie completely unfeasible.

Exactly, this is why I much prefer watching the A-League for competition & P/L (and La Liga) for the best players as we already know which one of 1 or 2 teams will win.

 

[Robbos]

My fam always say, never say never robbos and gday mate hope your outback hols was enjoyable.
This forum I get there's always hope for P/R and we all know won't happen if at all sometime yet......
Don't think many go on about it of late more so HOPE the Championship just gets up and running first and foremost and go from there what path it leads us.

Yep not the same as the ol days, we had a great time ! nothing ever stays the same otherwise your behind and new records are to be made, the past we're brilliant but now history.
We like it or lump it.........christ FSG have done wonders for LFC, cherish it alot seeing a past beaten down great get back on top after so so so many years being left behind.
We've been fortunate a decent well off consortium get it and smart as, unfortunately some other clubs just are not as enticing but theres hope like Wrexham. I see Bale is hoping to get approved getting into Cardiff atm.
So never say never but its different and its open competiton.
Alot money in the modern world due to broadcasting yaddayadda how the game/all sports go commercially.
As for any major league and the levels below there is always those that go up and down annually, every single level not just the Top back to Championship and not just the modern $ times, boring ? for some yes ofcourse and others excitement, anxiety, frustration, highs lows, thats sport no matter when the times at least the leagues provide opportunity despite $ divides.
In the end we both know sooner or later the top end (RM/Barca/Juve etc) will look to drift away and set their own leagues, then its a reboot for the rest of the Clubs. (exciting actually when that occurs)
Won't like it first up but importantly the next ones step up in the normal leagues and be recycle rinse what developed the previous 40/50yrs.

AL has similar more big club winners without P/R.
SFC/MV the bulk of Plates and seats.
CCM/MC
BR a couple oh PG think Newy won once.
the rest not much to boast about nor much chance and its a regulated league and same same every season.

I think you will find that Wrexham is not in the P/L, the leagues under the P/L are very exciting.

 

[LFC]

I think you will find that Wrexham is not in the P/L, the leagues under the P/L are very exciting.

I know exactely where they are playing and where they came from, mentioned nothing they in the EPL.
The EPL was very exciting this season for many many viewers your just in the minority and thats ok where you wish to be.

 

[Sutherlandbear]

add Bulls CS and for robbos
Talk Premiers put aside the aussie way of finals first past the post.
Much like the early days of UK Div1 pre EPL me and robbos discuss there was a variety of winners, it no matter regulated just path of the course early league days just as AL.
Premiers
9 diff winners
MV/SFC now incl MC have 8 Premiers between them - the usual suspects as mentioned.
CCM 2
AU BR PG WSW Auck 1 each.
All good CS.

Throw in your Final Champs 9 x big clubs
SFC 4 big club
MV 3 big club
BR 3
CCM 2
MC 2 big club
Jets/AU/WU 1

So early days granted salry cap and regulated league has some variety - not new but as time moves forward the biggger clubs will win more than not.
Its just the way it goes and will in the end.

SFC have won it five times, Australia's most successful national league club.

 

[Sutherlandbear]

I know exactely where they are playing and where they came from, mentioned nothing they in the EPL.
The EPL was very exciting this season for many many viewers your just in the minority and thats ok where you wish to be.

I am with him, it was far from exciting, as most of the UK have agreed on.

 

[Robbos]

I know exactely where they are playing and where they came from, mentioned nothing they in the EPL.
The EPL was very exciting this season for many many viewers your just in the minority and thats ok where you wish to be.

Liverpool played some wonderful football this season, that was exciting, the EPL season was not exciting, everyone from Jan onwards knew Liverpool were going to win the P/L & everyone knew who were going to get relegated. As a competition not that exciting.

 

[LFC]

coming from your 2 perspective am I surprised not.
Saints were a given being relegated for most of the season, they were not ready to survive from the get go, the remaining 2 spots was up down and around.
Ofcourse LFC was a shoe in but not the next possies down to 6/7 and mid table was whos going to finish where.
It was competitive for many viewing, your just picking the obvious (you just check results I assume ?) but the in between was anyones guess.
Gunners up down despite the hype.
Toffees/Palace were tethering at relo spots for ages great recoveries, Hammers/Wolves were the same, Spurs kept spiralling.
At one stage for sometime Forest were 2nd and hovering, Villa up for a while then bad patch and consolidated, Toon were struggling came back, Seagulls were in the 4/6 mix won many games coming from behind then dropped.
City all over the shop.
Bournemouth great to watch/Brentford one forward 20 goals another at 19.
Chelsea young team came back finish 4.
Fulham won most points against top 4 clubs.
All this every week buzzing your just not invested in the boring league lol.....sorry guys beg to differ.