A-league attendances 24/25

[Frankly Speaking]

I don't know the answer...

But I do know what won't work....

However I have a view on how its achieved....

For me boom / bust / boom won't work....

We need to grow at a pace we are capable and forget notions of being the biggest code in the country within ten years....

What Australian professional lacks most is respect as its viewed as poor substandard and this is often the view expressed by Football folk...

P & R will not bring broad respect... a successful and growing competition will... by this I mean the greater community not hard core rusted ons.

I think as I have posted recently we seem on the figures available to be heading north over the last three years... be that off a low base...

If we continue at this growth rate within three years revenue will be much higher as crowds and rating will push up revenue.

Once revenues increase it opens other doors for things that need doing...

Until our clubs perform decently in the ACL, the A League will get zero respect. Every year we see the same sorry results and every year those results are proof for the critics. And the problem is, they are right. ACL is an objective measure and it says coaches and our teams are lacking in quality.

I would suggest that losing the cap is answer BUT there is no evidence it would change the ways our club spend anyway. I do think that we have a poor standard of coaching in the A League, and that is part of the issue. We badly need some quality coaches from overseas but of course it always comes down to money, and there is never enough.

TBH, though I respect the club hugely, when CCM won the Premiership, I knew it would be a problem for the ACL this year. The team would be gutted of its best players, as happens every time CCM builds a good team, and then they would be a failure in the continental championship.

I don't know what the answer is, but until our clubs start performing in the ACL, the A League will lose the quality argument every year.

 

[someguyjc]

Until our clubs perform decently in the ACL, the A League will get zero respect. Every year we see the same sorry results and every year those results are proof for the critics. And the problem is, they are right. ACL is an objective measure and it says coaches and our teams are lacking in quality.

I would suggest that losing the cap is answer BUT there is no evidence it would change the ways our club spend anyway. I do think that we have a poor standard of coaching in the A League, and that is part of the issue. We badly need some quality coaches from overseas but of course it always comes down to money, and there is never enough.

TBH, though I respect the club hugely, when CCM won the Premiership, I knew it would be a problem for the ACL this year. The team would be gutted of its best players, as happens every time CCM builds a good team, and then they would be a failure in the continental championship.

I don't know what the answer is, but until our clubs start performing in the ACL, the A League will lose the quality argument every year.

Looking at squad values in the ACL Elite (i recognise transfermarkt values have issues). It's pretty clear how far the rest of Asia has grown whereas Australia has stood still. The majority of clubs have squad values double that of CCM. Even if we look at Australia's current most valuable squad (SFC €9.38m), it is still well below the rest of the competition. Right now, I'd say we perform exactly as you'd expect given our squad values. If we want to compete in Asia, that value needs to increase. That would require major changes in nearly every area of the game.

Club​	Squad Value (src: transfermarkt)​
AL HILAL SFC (KSA)​	€ 178.50 m​
AL NASSR CLUB (KSA)​	€ 175.63 m​
AL SADD SC (QAT)​	€ 82.55 m​
AL RAYYAN SC (QAT)​	€ 62.20 m​
AL WASL FC (UAE)​	€ 37.11 m​
AL AHLI SAUDI FC (KSA)​	€ 33.90 m​
Al Gharafa SC (QAT)​	€ 28.73 m​
Yokohama F. Marinos (JPN)​	€ 17.63 m​
Vissel Kobe (JPN)​	€ 17.03 m​
Ulsan HD FC (KOR)​	€ 15.58 m​
PERSEPOLIS FC (IRN)​	€ 15.45 m​
Kawasaki Frontale (JPN)​	€ 15.28 m​
Shanghai Port FC (CHN)​	€ 15.21 m​
Johar Darul Ta'zim (MAS)​	€ 14.38 m​
Buriram United (THA)​	€ 13.45 m​
ESTEGHLAL FC (IRN)​	€ 13.45 m​
PAKHTAKOR (UZB)​	€ 12.58 m​
Shanghai Shenhua FC (CHN)​	€ 11.30 m​
FC Pohang Steelers (KOR)​	€ 8.70 m​
GWANGJU FC​	€ 8.20 m​
Central Coast Mariners (AUS)​	€ 6.18 m​
AL SHORTA (IRQ)​	€ 0.26 m​
Al Ain FC (UAE)​	€ 0.14 m​

 

[Frankly Speaking]

Looking at squad values in the ACL Elite (i recognise transfermarkt values have issues). It's pretty clear how far the rest of Asia has grown whereas Australia has stood still. The majority of clubs have squad values double that of CCM. Even if we look at Australia's current most valuable squad (SFC €9.38m), it is still well below the rest of the competition. Right now, I'd say we perform exactly as you'd expect given our squad values. If we want to compete in Asia, that value needs to increase. That would require major changes in nearly every area of the game.

Club​	Squad Value (src: transfermarkt)​
AL HILAL SFC (KSA)​	€ 178.50 m​
AL NASSR CLUB (KSA)​	€ 175.63 m​
AL SADD SC (QAT)​	€ 82.55 m​
AL RAYYAN SC (QAT)​	€ 62.20 m​
AL WASL FC (UAE)​	€ 37.11 m​
AL AHLI SAUDI FC (KSA)​	€ 33.90 m​
Al Gharafa SC (QAT)​	€ 28.73 m​
Yokohama F. Marinos (JPN)​	€ 17.63 m​
Vissel Kobe (JPN)​	€ 17.03 m​
Ulsan HD FC (KOR)​	€ 15.58 m​
PERSEPOLIS FC (IRN)​	€ 15.45 m​
Kawasaki Frontale (JPN)​	€ 15.28 m​
Shanghai Port FC (CHN)​	€ 15.21 m​
Johar Darul Ta'zim (MAS)​	€ 14.38 m​
Buriram United (THA)​	€ 13.45 m​
ESTEGHLAL FC (IRN)​	€ 13.45 m​
PAKHTAKOR (UZB)​	€ 12.58 m​
Shanghai Shenhua FC (CHN)​	€ 11.30 m​
FC Pohang Steelers (KOR)​	€ 8.70 m​
GWANGJU FC​	€ 8.20 m​
Central Coast Mariners (AUS)​	€ 6.18 m​
AL SHORTA (IRQ)​	€ 0.26 m​
Al Ain FC (UAE)​	€ 0.14 m​

Interesting reading - thanks for posting, SG.

Daylight from the petrodollar clubs to everyone else. And people here think SFC are big spenders!

In black and white, right there is why we can't complete. And it underlines the criticism - we are a relatively low standard league, like it or not.

I return to my point about coaches, though - how many of our coaches would get a head coach job in Japan? I would venture to say not one. We recycle mediocre coaches like we recycle mediocre players, and its not good for the competition. In what other coaching universe would Zadkovic still have his job at Brisbane?

In my view, until we have better coaches, with some from overseas, the A League cannot progress.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Interesting reading - thanks for posting, SG.

Daylight from the petrodollar clubs to everyone else. And people here think SFC are big spenders!

In black and white, right there is why we can't complete. And it underlines the criticism - we are a relatively low standard league, like it or not.

I return to my point about coaches, though - how many of our coaches would get a head coach job in Japan? I would venture to say not one. We recycle mediocre coaches like we recycle mediocre players, and its not good for the competition. In what other coaching universe would Zadkovic still have his job at Brisbane?

In my view, until we have better coaches, with some from overseas, the A League cannot progress.

ummmm ..... Japan seems to be the one country were Aussie head coaches ARE valued mate...

From Postecoglou to Popovic: Japan's effect on Australia's coaching ranks

Australian football's ties to Hiroshima run deep, as former teammates Tony Popovic and Hajime Moriyasu prepare to lead their nations in a crucial Asian qualification clash.

www.espn.com.au

 

[libelous]

Interesting reading - thanks for posting, SG.

Daylight from the petrodollar clubs to everyone else. And people here think SFC are big spenders!

In black and white, right there is why we can't complete. And it underlines the criticism - we are a relatively low standard league, like it or not.

I return to my point about coaches, though - how many of our coaches would get a head coach job in Japan? I would venture to say not one. We recycle mediocre coaches like we recycle mediocre players, and its not good for the competition. In what other coaching universe would Zadkovic still have his job at Brisbane?

In my view, until we have better coaches, with some from overseas, the A League cannot progress.

Do you mean we are a low standard league because we don’t spend millions on imported players?

 

[someguyjc]

Interesting reading - thanks for posting, SG.

Daylight from the petrodollar clubs to everyone else. And people here think SFC are big spenders!

In black and white, right there is why we can't complete. And it underlines the criticism - we are a relatively low standard league, like it or not.

I return to my point about coaches, though - how many of our coaches would get a head coach job in Japan? I would venture to say not one. We recycle mediocre coaches like we recycle mediocre players, and its not good for the competition. In what other coaching universe would Zadkovic still have his job at Brisbane?

In my view, until we have better coaches, with some from overseas, the A League cannot progress.

Coaches are only one aspect. They are not insignificant, but they are also only one piece of a much larger pie. What we need to do is look at these other nations and look at what they are doing, what we are not doing and what we can do. Obviously the Arab clubs are throwing money at it. They have that resource available to them, so it's a reasonable option for them. We don't have that resource so then we look to Japan and Korea. They are in that €10m-17m range. They are hitting that value through development. So, we need to ask what are they doing that we are not. They are playing considerably more football for starters. They have full pyramids. They have domestic transfer systems. They have prize money for winning their leagues. They have a nation wide plan. We fall behind in all of those areas.
All that being said, I do think we punch above our weight. Especially considering many ACL squads have a lot of young players with low game minutes. Which makes it all the more sad and frustrating. If we had a Japanese level of structure and planning, I have no doubts we would in the mix with those €17m squads. Iceland was mentioned in one of these threads, and if you look at how they got to being more competitive, all it basically took was for everyone involved to be on the same page. Wouldn't that be nice.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Coaches are only one aspect. They are not insignificant, but they are also only one piece of a much larger pie. What we need to do is look at these other nations and look at what they are doing, what we are not doing and what we can do. Obviously the Arab clubs are throwing money at it. They have that resource available to them, so it's a reasonable option for them. We don't have that resource so then we look to Japan and Korea. They are in that €10m-17m range. They are hitting that value through development. So, we need to ask what are they doing that we are not. They are playing considerably more football for starters. They have full pyramids. They have domestic transfer systems. They have prize money for winning their leagues. They have a nation wide plan. We fall behind in all of those areas.
All that being said, I do think we punch above our weight. Especially considering many ACL squads have a lot of young players with low game minutes. Which makes it all the more sad and frustrating. If we had a Japanese level of structure and planning, I have no doubts we would in the mix with those €17m squads. Iceland was mentioned in one of these threads, and if you look at how they got to being more competitive, all it basically took was for everyone involved to be on the same page. Wouldn't that be nice.

100%

"So, we need to ask what are they doing that we are not. They are playing considerably more football for starters. They have full pyramids. They have domestic transfer systems. They have prize money for winning their leagues. They have a nation wide plan. We fall behind in all of those areas." quote of the day

 

[melbcityguy]

100%

"So, we need to ask what are they doing that we are not. They are playing considerably more football for starters. They have full pyramids. They have domestic transfer systems. They have prize money for winning their leagues. They have a nation wide plan. We fall behind in all of those areas." quote of the day

So if we win tonight does that mean our way is better?

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

So if we win tonight does that mean our way is better?

??? Who is playing? You dont mean the U20s do you? Surely not? hahahahah oh man..

OK dude, sure why not if we win an U20s match tonight against Japan your franchise league is amazing ..... hahaha oh boy....

 

[melbcityguy]

??? Who is playing? You dont mean the U20s do you? Surely not? hahahahah oh man..

OK dude, sure why not if we win an U20s match tonight against Japan your franchise league is amazing ..... hahaha oh boy....

Haha

 

[LFC]

Mmmmm
I hear where Middy comes from and the optimism - I wish as well BUT for now they are all clouded by the improving avg crowd numbers.
Well by the time that increase the ROI as I alluded to will be a decade and that’s IF it keeps moving forward.
This is all toooo late as I’ve mentioned earlier as well.
20past add another 10 seriously is that what general enthusiastic football supporters here accept ?!
Cry me a river seriously.
We have the bricks foundations below !
It must be built sooner than later.