A-league attendances 24/25

[LFC]

Ok
I get re viewing going to watch their games but let’s look at each.
Jnr rugbys sure are not near football regos - rugby even at private schools have alot of football teams now compared to 20yrs ago.
Next afl - I’m sure it’s popular in melb and other west states but Syd Bris isn’t that big again compared to football Jnr unless I’m blind in our city.
Cricket well it’s a summa game at club levels so I don’t think it apples with apples to winter sports and those who good at it would stick with it as before.
I think the biggest issue in developing players the past 20+ yrs is 2fold.
Ok the ethnics from way back stuck by themselves therefore we lost a lot more anglos and others who may have kicked on stuck with the game therefore they and AL have ruined opening the net to gather and increase Jnr development and countless more clubs combined to enrich and have spaces for the many that walk away for the whole system is askew and divided for a long long time.
We have caused our own void more than anything be it past to present.
Take away the commercial aspect of Pro and AL overall we have lost 2/3gens of potential wannabee players.
Those other codes have had it easy being the major and resourced codes to reap the rewards.
It no matter we’re not a football country per se what we haven’t got is our shit together that’s more the deterant than anything imo.
It’s like going to take over a run down business that has lost money and customers for so long.
It’s very easy for outsiders to point the finger to the game operations and presentation for we are our own worst enemy and the easy fodder of crowd violence for the press is like a gift horse in the mouth as well.

 

[riquelmes_laces]

Not that I like to compare sports but an equally struggling sport a decade ago in Basketball got their shit together eventually and the sport is reaping the rewards relative to its size.

Football has a very unique place in the Australian sporting landscape and I think the current setup has not really tried to tap into that over the last 20 years, rather has tried to superimpose templates from other countries (for youth development) and other codes (for commercial interests).

I maintain my position that the sport won’t shift to another level of consciousness until we start producing regular starters for the bigger leagues (especially the EPL).

A World Cup every 4 years is not enough and most people don’t care about the Asia Cup.

 

[LFC]

Yep agreed as well.
Like quali for the WC - it’s our badge of honour for the stat types well we’ve done better than many others but to me it’s all the commercial aspect and hype but nothing shows improvement with that success so what’s the point.
Our leagues are not doing great - AL struggles in Asian cup games etc etc
It all about numbers crowds and dick measuring.
I’d sooner the system finally gets a proper boost in the arse - state by state work together and get development in triple the numbers we currently have and hit these promising kids up the arse and make them work work work harder !
+ edit typo here - If you want to make it you got to sacrifice/bleed

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

Yep agreed as well.
Like quali for the WC - it’s our badge of honour for the stat types well we’ve done better than many others but to me it’s all the commercial aspect and hype but nothing shows improvement with that success so what’s the point.
Our leagues are not doing great - AL struggles in Asian cup games etc etc
It all about numbers crowds and dick measuring.
I’d sooner the system finally gets a proper boost in the arse - state by state work together and get development in triple the numbers we currently have and hit these promising kids up the arse and make them work work work harder !
If you want to make bleed

You want to hit promising kids up the arse and make them bleed?? And you also want them to stay away from GAYFL??? sheesh man mixed messaging I reckon...... lol

 

[Midfielder]

Yep agreed as well.
Like quali for the WC - it’s our badge of honour for the stat types well we’ve done better than many others but to me it’s all the commercial aspect and hype but nothing shows improvement with that success so what’s the point.
Our leagues are not doing great - AL struggles in Asian cup games etc etc
It all about numbers crowds and dick measuring.
I’d sooner the system finally gets a proper boost in the arse - state by state work together and get development in triple the numbers we currently have and hit these promising kids up the arse and make them work work work harder !
If you want to make bleed

Agree to a point.

We do perform poorly in Asian competitions .

I am unaware of how to fix this without revenue to pay for players to stay and secondly not drift to other codes.

Crowd sizes and streaming subscriptions provide the audience's for better sponsors

All three, crowds, broadcasting and sponsors provide the revenue to try to achieve your goals.

I worry about many aspects pertaining to professional Football in Australia however revenue is needed.

I think we hit rock bottom and are starting to lift and for me that's what the numbers show.... When all said and done until our revenue increases a lot we will struggle.

 

[Robbos]

Ok
I get re viewing going to watch their games but let’s look at each.
Jnr rugbys sure are not near football regos - rugby even at private schools have alot of football teams now compared to 20yrs ago.
Next afl - I’m sure it’s popular in melb and other west states but Syd Bris isn’t that big again compared to football Jnr unless I’m blind in our city.
Cricket well it’s a summa game at club levels so I don’t think it apples with apples to winter sports and those who good at it would stick with it as before.
I think the biggest issue in developing players the past 20+ yrs is 2fold.
Ok the ethnics from way back stuck by themselves therefore we lost a lot more anglos and others who may have kicked on stuck with the game therefore they and AL have ruined opening the net to gather and increase Jnr development and countless more clubs combined to enrich and have spaces for the many that walk away for the whole system is askew and divided for a long long time.
We have caused our own void more than anything be it past to present.
Take away the commercial aspect of Pro and AL overall we have lost 2/3gens of potential wannabee players.
Those other codes have had it easy being the major and resourced codes to reap the rewards.
It no matter we’re not a football country per se what we haven’t got is our shit together that’s more the deterant than anything imo.
It’s like going to take over a run down business that has lost money and customers for so long.
It’s very easy for outsiders to point the finger to the game operations and presentation for we are our own worst enemy and the easy fodder of crowd violence for the press is like a gift horse in the mouth as well.

I'm blind too LFC, everywhere I go, I see kids kicking a football around on the ovals & parks & I see football (soccer) goal posts.
When I do see the 4 posts & no crossbar, it's very rare around Sydney.

As for developing players, I think our problems go further back than the last 20 years, outside of Kewell & Viduka, I didn't see too many players that RL was talking about. Look at Egypt, they have produced 2 of these type of players Salah (close to best player in the world) & the new Man City player Marmoush.

 

[LFC]

MSC, is there something I don't know about gayfl and a bleeding arse ? haha got to be eddie macguire's doing that he hasn't come out of the closet
Though seriously you know I have no care of your game but that with NRL both lobby great getting the lions share of everything here compared to our game.
Not having a good organised football model leaves an easy exit for up and comers straying their way I suppose, my main point why not being a football nation as Sutho quoted that I agree therefore we need to have the games eco system in order so as the numbers can be serviced accordingly that we don't have period in these modern times.

This all relates to the fine post made by

riquelmes_laces​

"Football has a very unique place in the Australian sporting landscape and I think the current setup has not really tried to tap into that over the last 20 years, rather has tried to superimpose templates from other countries (for youth development) and other codes (for commercial interests).

I maintain my position that the sport won’t shift to another level of consciousness until we start producing regular starters for the bigger leagues (especially the EPL).

A World Cup every 4 years is not enough and most people don’t care about the Asia Cup."

Middy, need revenue obviously and the FA imo are not doing enough here whatsoever all due respect to JJ, roadblocks/funding - whilst everything at the Pro level is about keeping afloat the rest stays stagment and do we have to keep waiting till the revenue stream starts to flow ? well that could/will be another decade by the look of it if at all (putting aside the coming Championship).....

robbos, I agree could have been more than 20+yrs re developing more players ala Duke/HK but we're way post the '90's and '05 - we've been in the modern age of analysis/paralysis how to train the modern up and comer for quite sometime and still nothing much breaking through.
Is it lack of competition ? lack of games, lack of any uniformity ? lack of togetherness 1 goal ?
We talk more about our issues than positives and I know you just express luv football, don't we all.
We all want to talk about that top game last week, trouble is we have 2 sides about this plain and simple thing as well.
Its farrrked.
Too many paint its more rosy but its not plain and simple.

Yes mate LFC put a big step forward the other day, they have to keep doing this for a number of games yet, your mates must be giving you grief and your luved ones least YNWA.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

MSC, is there something I don't know about gayfl and a bleeding arse ? haha got to be eddie macguire's doing that he hasn't come out of the closet
Though seriously you know I have no care of your game but that with NRL both lobby great getting the lions share of everything here compared to our game.
Not having a good organised football model leaves an easy exit for up and comers straying their way I suppose, my main point why not being a football nation as Sutho quoted that I agree therefore we need to have the games eco system in order so as the numbers can be serviced accordingly that we don't have period in these modern times.

This all relates to the fine post made by

riquelmes_laces​

"Football has a very unique place in the Australian sporting landscape and I think the current setup has not really tried to tap into that over the last 20 years, rather has tried to superimpose templates from other countries (for youth development) and other codes (for commercial interests).

I maintain my position that the sport won’t shift to another level of consciousness until we start producing regular starters for the bigger leagues (especially the EPL).

A World Cup every 4 years is not enough and most people don’t care about the Asia Cup."

Middy, need revenue obviously and the FA imo are not doing enough here whatsoever all due respect to JJ, roadblocks/funding - whilst everything at the Pro level is about keeping afloat the rest stays stagment and do we have to keep waiting till the revenue stream starts to flow ? well that could/will be another decade by the look of it if at all (putting aside the coming Championship).....

robbos, I agree could have been more than 20+yrs re developing more players ala Duke/HK but we're way post the '90's and '05 - we've been in the modern age of analysis/paralysis how to train the modern up and comer for quite sometime and still nothing much breaking through.
Is it lack of competition ? lack of games, lack of any uniformity ? lack of togetherness 1 goal ?
We talk more about our issues than positives and I know you just express luv football, don't we all.
We all want to talk about that top game last week, trouble is we have 2 sides about this plain and simple thing as well.
Its farrrked.
Too many paint its more rosy but its not plain and simple.

Yes mate LFC put a big step forward the other day, they have to keep doing this for a number of games yet, your mates must be giving you grief and your luved ones least YNWA.

lol ... matey Ive said it before I dont buy this argument.... Iceland has a population of 400,000 people and not only made the Euroes a few years back but one in every 550 citizens is a Uefa qualfied coach* .......

Doesnt matter how unique or nuiche football IS in this country compared to other sports, surely we can drag together 400,00 PLAYERS (not citizens but actaul registered PLAYERS) to draw from? Not mythical numbers or proejcted revenues or whatever we have the people we just dont get the method... nor have the desire to live within our means and develop from there

Two polar groups of football people, 1/2 want full pyramid, better resources for clubs and players, the other 1/2 want shiny corprate stadiums for revenue growth and broadcast agreements.... Iceland just trains one in every 500 people and gets them to go ut and teach their kids .....

***In fact, according to VICE, Iceland has roughly one UEFA-qualified coach per 550 people (for comparison, England has about one per 11,000).


Iceland is just one tiny example of a country with a population smaller than 1/10 of one of our cities...

 

[Robbos]

MSC, is there something I don't know about gayfl and a bleeding arse ? haha got to be eddie macguire's doing that he hasn't come out of the closet
Though seriously you know I have no care of your game but that with NRL both lobby great getting the lions share of everything here compared to our game.
Not having a good organised football model leaves an easy exit for up and comers straying their way I suppose, my main point why not being a football nation as Sutho quoted that I agree therefore we need to have the games eco system in order so as the numbers can be serviced accordingly that we don't have period in these modern times.

This all relates to the fine post made by

riquelmes_laces​

"Football has a very unique place in the Australian sporting landscape and I think the current setup has not really tried to tap into that over the last 20 years, rather has tried to superimpose templates from other countries (for youth development) and other codes (for commercial interests).

I maintain my position that the sport won’t shift to another level of consciousness until we start producing regular starters for the bigger leagues (especially the EPL).

A World Cup every 4 years is not enough and most people don’t care about the Asia Cup."

Middy, need revenue obviously and the FA imo are not doing enough here whatsoever all due respect to JJ, roadblocks/funding - whilst everything at the Pro level is about keeping afloat the rest stays stagment and do we have to keep waiting till the revenue stream starts to flow ? well that could/will be another decade by the look of it if at all (putting aside the coming Championship).....

robbos, I agree could have been more than 20+yrs re developing more players ala Duke/HK but we're way post the '90's and '05 - we've been in the modern age of analysis/paralysis how to train the modern up and comer for quite sometime and still nothing much breaking through.
Is it lack of competition ? lack of games, lack of any uniformity ? lack of togetherness 1 goal ?
We talk more about our issues than positives and I know you just express luv football, don't we all.
We all want to talk about that top game last week, trouble is we have 2 sides about this plain and simple thing as well.
Its farrrked.
Too many paint its more rosy but its not plain and simple.

Yes mate LFC put a big step forward the other day, they have to keep doing this for a number of games yet, your mates must be giving you grief and your luved ones least YNWA.

Yeah copping heaps from Liverpool mates, but yeah Liverpool are playing beautiful football this year, led by Van Dyke in the back & Salah up front, what a player, & unlike Kloop,, the new coach Slot actually plays with a midfield.
Very impressive team.

 

[LFC]

lol ... matey Ive said it before I dont buy this argument.... Iceland has a population of 400,000 people and not only made the Euroes a few years back but one in every 550 citizens is a Uefa qualfied coach* .......

Doesnt matter how unique or nuiche football IS in this country compared to other sports, surely we can drag together 400,00 PLAYERS (not citizens but actaul registered PLAYERS) to draw from? Not mythical numbers or proejcted revenues or whatever we have the people we just dont get the method... nor have the desire to live within our means and develop from there

Two polar groups of football people, 1/2 want full pyramid, better resources for clubs and players, the other 1/2 want shiny corprate stadiums for revenue growth and broadcast agreements.... Iceland just trains one in every 500 people and gets them to go ut and teach their kids .....

***In fact, according to VICE, Iceland has roughly one UEFA-qualified coach per 550 people (for comparison, England has about one per 11,000).


Iceland is just one tiny example of a country with a population smaller than 1/10 of one of our cities...

ah ok you set me straight plain and simple we are farked hahaha I'll just focus what works for me/us and bugger the rest and as robbos says just enjoy my (football) local clubs/epl/LFC.
Good medicine actually
robbos, hey Kloppy was the Ferrari, go for it but obviously a breakdown occurs, Slot is the silk smooth Roller (RR) - what a fine pair of LFC managers/ambassadors - its been a ride and half last 10yrs.

 

[Monoethnic Social Club]

lol C'mon mate, its not an attempt to set you straight.. Just that I believe we have ENOUGH people interested and participating in football in this country as it is.... Sure full stadiums like the big 5 leagues in the world would be nice but lets focus on things we CAN change rather than trying to be things that we may NEVER be....

 

[Vieri]

Was at Perth v Sydney on the weekend. It definitely looked like more than 6889, I'd post some pics but its throwing up a size warning.

 

[Frankly Speaking]

ah ok you set me straight plain and simple we are farked hahaha I'll just focus what works for me/us and bugger the rest and as robbos says just enjoy my (football) local clubs/epl/LFC.
Good medicine actually
robbos, hey Kloppy was the Ferrari, go for it but obviously a breakdown occurs, Slot is the silk smooth Roller (RR) - what a fine pair of LFC managers/ambassadors - its been a ride and half last 10yrs.

Watching Liverpool since Klopp has been one of the pleasures of my life. I still think the Klop team that won the League was the best of the lot so far.

 

[LFC]

Watching Liverpool since Klopp has been one of the pleasures of my life. I still think the Klop team that won the League was the best of the lot so far.

yer - I felt for Rogers, what could have been patience ran out and a banana skin and Klopp the moment he done his first presser you knew this is going to be dynamite.
People now say look how composed we are but his style of play was intoxicating despite the failures that imo we're few.
I'd sooner see any team for it for you can't not admire putting your neck out like that, yer that squad had some epic players I miss alot.
Gini, just luv Bobby, Fabs, Milly, Sadio, even miss Hendo, Lallana.
Look who's still there from that time.
Yer agree the pleasure has been immense.

 

[biggiemic]

Was at Perth v Sydney on the weekend. It definitely looked like more than 6889, I'd post some pics but its throwing up a size warning.

Was also at the game, me and mates do crowd predictions and all of them were approx 7k give or take a couple hundred.

Looks on point imo.

I don't think Glory have ever fudged numbers but there have been times scanners haven't work and they just let people in.

 

[Frankly Speaking]

yer - I felt for Rogers, what could have been patience ran out and a banana skin and Klopp the moment he done his first presser you knew this is going to be dynamite.
People now say look how composed we are but his style of play was intoxicating despite the failures that imo we're few.
I'd sooner see any team for it for you can't not admire putting your neck out like that, yer that squad had some epic players I miss alot.
Gini, just luv Bobby, Fabs, Milly, Sadio, even miss Hendo, Lallana.
Look who's still there from that time.
Yer agree the pleasure has been immense.

I was a huge fan of Klopp when he was at Dortmund. When Liverpool appointed him, I thought, "this is going to be fun"!

 

[Vieri]

Was also at the game, me and mates do crowd predictions and all of them were approx 7k give or take a couple hundred.

Looks on point imo.

I don't think Glory have ever fudged numbers but there have been times scanners haven't work and they just let people in.

I had closer to 8-9k. Top tier of middle was looking pretty busy.

 

[Midfielder]

Middy, need revenue obviously and the FA imo are not doing enough here whatsoever all due respect to JJ, roadblocks/funding - whilst everything at the Pro level is about keeping afloat the rest stays stagment and do we have to keep waiting till the revenue stream starts to flow ? well that could/will be another decade by the look of it if at all (putting aside the coming Championship).....

I don't know the answer...

But I do know what won't work....

However I have a view on how its achieved....

For me boom / bust / boom won't work....

We need to grow at a pace we are capable and forget notions of being the biggest code in the country within ten years....

What Australian professional lacks most is respect as its viewed as poor substandard and this is often the view expressed by Football folk...

P & R will not bring broad respect... a successful and growing competition will... by this I mean the greater community not hard core rusted ons.

I think as I have posted recently we seem on the figures available to be heading north over the last three years... be that off a low base...

If we continue at this growth rate within three years revenue will be much higher as crowds and rating will push up revenue.

Once revenues increase it opens other doors for things that need doing...

 

[Frankly Speaking]

I don't know the answer...

But I do know what won't work....

However I have a view on how its achieved....

For me boom / bust / boom won't work....

We need to grow at a pace we are capable and forget notions of being the biggest code in the country within ten years....

What Australian professional lacks most is respect as its viewed as poor substandard and this is often the view expressed by Football folk...

P & R will not bring broad respect... a successful and growing competition will... by this I mean the greater community not hard core rusted ons.

I think as I have posted recently we seem on the figures available to be heading north over the last three years... be that off a low base...

If we continue at this growth rate within three years revenue will be much higher as crowds and rating will push up revenue.

Once revenues increase it opens other doors for things that need doing...

Until our clubs perform decently in the ACL, the A League will get zero respect. Every year we see the same sorry results and every year those results are proof for the critics. And the problem is, they are right. ACL is an objective measure and it says coaches and our teams are lacking in quality.

I would suggest that losing the cap is answer BUT there is no evidence it would change the ways our club spend anyway. I do think that we have a poor standard of coaching in the A League, and that is part of the issue. We badly need some quality coaches from overseas but of course it always comes down to money, and there is never enough.

TBH, though I respect the club hugely, when CCM won the Premiership, I knew it would be a problem for the ACL this year. The team would be gutted of its best players, as happens every time CCM builds a good team, and then they would be a failure in the continental championship.

I don't know what the answer is, but until our clubs start performing in the ACL, the A League will lose the quality argument every year.

 

[someguyjc]

Until our clubs perform decently in the ACL, the A League will get zero respect. Every year we see the same sorry results and every year those results are proof for the critics. And the problem is, they are right. ACL is an objective measure and it says coaches and our teams are lacking in quality.

I would suggest that losing the cap is answer BUT there is no evidence it would change the ways our club spend anyway. I do think that we have a poor standard of coaching in the A League, and that is part of the issue. We badly need some quality coaches from overseas but of course it always comes down to money, and there is never enough.

TBH, though I respect the club hugely, when CCM won the Premiership, I knew it would be a problem for the ACL this year. The team would be gutted of its best players, as happens every time CCM builds a good team, and then they would be a failure in the continental championship.

I don't know what the answer is, but until our clubs start performing in the ACL, the A League will lose the quality argument every year.

Looking at squad values in the ACL Elite (i recognise transfermarkt values have issues). It's pretty clear how far the rest of Asia has grown whereas Australia has stood still. The majority of clubs have squad values double that of CCM. Even if we look at Australia's current most valuable squad (SFC €9.38m), it is still well below the rest of the competition. Right now, I'd say we perform exactly as you'd expect given our squad values. If we want to compete in Asia, that value needs to increase. That would require major changes in nearly every area of the game.

Club​	Squad Value (src: transfermarkt)​
AL HILAL SFC (KSA)​	€ 178.50 m​
AL NASSR CLUB (KSA)​	€ 175.63 m​
AL SADD SC (QAT)​	€ 82.55 m​
AL RAYYAN SC (QAT)​	€ 62.20 m​
AL WASL FC (UAE)​	€ 37.11 m​
AL AHLI SAUDI FC (KSA)​	€ 33.90 m​
Al Gharafa SC (QAT)​	€ 28.73 m​
Yokohama F. Marinos (JPN)​	€ 17.63 m​
Vissel Kobe (JPN)​	€ 17.03 m​
Ulsan HD FC (KOR)​	€ 15.58 m​
PERSEPOLIS FC (IRN)​	€ 15.45 m​
Kawasaki Frontale (JPN)​	€ 15.28 m​
Shanghai Port FC (CHN)​	€ 15.21 m​
Johar Darul Ta'zim (MAS)​	€ 14.38 m​
Buriram United (THA)​	€ 13.45 m​
ESTEGHLAL FC (IRN)​	€ 13.45 m​
PAKHTAKOR (UZB)​	€ 12.58 m​
Shanghai Shenhua FC (CHN)​	€ 11.30 m​
FC Pohang Steelers (KOR)​	€ 8.70 m​
GWANGJU FC​	€ 8.20 m​
Central Coast Mariners (AUS)​	€ 6.18 m​
AL SHORTA (IRQ)​	€ 0.26 m​
Al Ain FC (UAE)​	€ 0.14 m​