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Socceroos' current market value vs Asia

LFC said:
Well considering it’s all about results in this day and age opportunity comes from success - having players shine at NT games presents the opportunity and I’m afraid what we are dishing up since Qatar is zip !
In fact that wonder finish at Qatar has not presented much success for most of the players nor opportunities.
It is simple being good enough you get noticed and your performances are noticed by many watching eyes it is that simple but we don’t have the rough diamonds and that’s plain and simple.

Seeing those figures of jap and Korean players is the bar and we’re no where near those players abilities.
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I don't disagree with that. We'd love to be producing more quality footballers. I just think there is more to it than just talent. A lot of factors contribute and the stars need to align. The more quality we produce the more will punch through that attrition and survive, like a school of fish.
 
Lupi said:
The Socceroos parked the bus in Qatar and got lucky a couple of times against relatively dire opposition. They didn't play much football or display much prowess other than rigid organisation. Their best player retired 6 months later.
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We played counter attack. It worked well. The difference between then and now is we nailed our chances.
 
Quicky said:
I don't disagree with that. We'd love to be producing more quality footballers. I just think there is more to it than just talent. A lot of factors contribute and the stars need to align. The more quality we produce the more will punch through that attrition and survive, like a school of fish.
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yeah as said on the podcast you need quantity and quality of youth
 
Responding to quicky and Graz.
Look the main thing that counts for any player is producing on the pitch and then in your managers hands - that’s the main 2 keys the rest falls in place when your really showing it on the pitch your manager works the calls - sorry that’s plain and simple when you are noticed chased.

Correct you need quantity and quality and sorry we don’t have that at the levels needed today right now, another plain and simple observation.
 
LFC said:
Responding to quicky and Graz.
Look the main thing that counts for any player is producing on the pitch and then in your managers hands - that’s the main 2 keys the rest falls in place when your really showing it on the pitch your manager works the calls - sorry that’s plain and simple when you are noticed chased.

Correct you need quantity and quality and sorry we don’t have that at the levels needed today right now, another plain and simple observation.
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agree its not where it needs to be, but there seems to be a big uptick those born 2003 and after for those who have broken through in europes second tier and the a league compared to other times in the a league era. We won't know where we are at until we see if this is a flash in the pan or the new normal. We would indeed like improvement in both quantity and quality
 
I think its a major issue for our league too many stars leaving for absolute peanuts. It probably wont be till we have someone that goes a-league > top 5 league straight away and performs till it changes but that's a world class talent which we don't quite have yet.
 
jas88 said:
I think its a major issue for our league too many stars leaving for absolute peanuts. It probably wont be till we have someone that goes a-league > top 5 league straight away and performs till it changes but that's a world class talent which we don't quite have yet.
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Why are we getting peanuts? Is it dumb administrators? Bad contracts? Is that all our players are worth?
 
Quicky said:
Why are we getting peanuts? Is it dumb administrators? Bad contracts? Is that all our players are worth?
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contracts matter a lot. Matthews had plenty left on their contract so sfc rejected offers last year and got 2.5mil aud. Waddingham is maybe slightly more valuable being a year young but just as vital but only has 6 months left on his contract
 
Quicky it is what it is and yep that’s all ours are worth right now - how could you expect more to the thousands out there better ?!
Tell me compare the kids playing EPL who show and have showed the promise either on the bench or starters.
That’s one of the bars imo for that’s the top of the pole.
Championship and similar levels where a couple play is the realistic bar at least but I don’t see many who are capable week in week out.
Our fellas lack dark arts let alone the gumption importantly the speed and ball control !
Sorry thems the facts.
 
LFC said:
Quicky it is what it is and yep that’s all ours are worth right now - how could you expect more to the thousands out there better ?!
Tell me compare the kids playing EPL who show and have showed the promise either on the bench or starters.
That’s one of the bars imo for that’s the top of the pole.
Championship and similar levels where a couple play is the realistic bar at least but I don’t see many who are capable week in week out.
Our fellas lack dark arts let alone the gumption importantly the speed and ball control !
Sorry thems the facts.
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Matthews got 7 times the amount in the same window, surely player quality isn't the only factor here. SFCC had a longer contract for Matthews, played hardball (rejecting an offer in preseason) whereas waddingham had 6 months
 
LFC said:
Quicky it is what it is and yep that’s all ours are worth right now - how could you expect more to the thousands out there better ?!
Tell me compare the kids playing EPL who show and have showed the promise either on the bench or starters.
That’s one of the bars imo for that’s the top of the pole.
Championship and similar levels where a couple play is the realistic bar at least but I don’t see many who are capable week in week out.
Our fellas lack dark arts let alone the gumption importantly the speed and ball control !
Sorry thems the facts.
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Our kids aren't EPL quality atm but they're even getting peanuts comparative to the teams and leagues they're going to. It doesn't incentivise those clubs to do their best by them imo. Theres no risk for them.

We also seem to lose quite a few as free transfers. O'Neill and Balard spring to mind. Those teams that developed them got nothing and ones a team captain and the other one of their best players.

If the AL is to be sustainable we need more for our players. I recall someone making a point about the salary cap might be hamstringing clubs from taking the risk on longer deals for their players. I wonder if thats true.

I reckon clubs are adapting to being a selling league, where before no-one wanted our guys at all haha.

I find it concerning.
 
Quicky said:
Our kids aren't EPL quality atm but they're even getting peanuts comparative to the teams and leagues they're going to. It doesn't incentivise those clubs to do their best by them imo. Theres no risk for them.

We also seem to lose quite a few as free transfers. O'Neill and Balard spring to mind. Those teams that developed them got nothing and ones a team captain and the other one of their best players.

If the AL is to be sustainable we need more for our players. I recall someone making a point about the salary cap might be hamstringing clubs from taking the risk on longer deals for their players. I wonder if thats true.

I reckon clubs are adapting to being a selling league, where before no-one wanted our guys at all haha.

I find it concerning.
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Mbappe was also a free transfer. I think the issue here are the short term contracts which are normally two years and some for three. In the case of O'Neill he proved his worth and he came for free, so less financial risk for the club. I am not sure what could be done about it other than extend the length of the contracts but what happens if you sign a dud? The A-League clubs don't have the financial depth to cope with too many duds.
 
WhatAmIWatching said:
Mbappe was also a free transfer. I think the issue here are the short term contracts which are normally two years and some for three. In the case of O'Neill he proved his worth and he came for free, so less financial risk for the club. I am not sure what could be done about it other than extend the length of the contracts but what happens if you sign a dud? The A-League clubs don't have the financial depth to cope with too many duds.
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Yeah you summed it up well. It's still concerning watching these players go free or cheap. Clubs need to get better at capitalising from them.
 
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Quicky said:
Our kids aren't EPL quality atm but they're even getting peanuts comparative to the teams and leagues they're going to. It doesn't incentivise those clubs to do their best by them imo. Theres no risk for them.

We also seem to lose quite a few as free transfers. O'Neill and Balard spring to mind. Those teams that developed them got nothing and ones a team captain and the other one of their best players.

If the AL is to be sustainable we need more for our players. I recall someone making a point about the salary cap might be hamstringing clubs from taking the risk on longer deals for their players. I wonder if thats true.

I reckon clubs are adapting to being a selling league, where before no-one wanted our guys at all haha.

I find it concerning.
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Great points.
 
Quicky said:
Why are we getting peanuts? Is it dumb administrators? Bad contracts? Is that all our players are worth?
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Probably a mix of all of them. We should trying to convince clubs to sign young players on 5 year deals... that's one way to do it. A-league clubs rip up contracts all the time, then said player literally joins a rival on a free hahaha...which is crazy to me so that's one way to stop the duds.

A lot of trash agents too who are the brother/father or cousin of the player who maybe doesn't do the best job in getting the best fee... agents in Europe sometimes work specifically for the club to get a good deal.

500k for Bennie who has played some minutes in championship is insane... there wont be many 18 year old's getting game time in that league. Archie Gray went for 40m quid was it? surely Glory could of got ~2m for him.

TBH I'm not sure we ever will, the modern game requires supreme athleticism... our best athletes play AFL or NRL. That's just how it is unfortunately. NRL/AFL clubs are proactive in the search for youth they out there looking for these athletes(even if they play another sport), I don't think NPL/A-league clubs are... they just have a trial game and see who shows up.
 
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jas88 said:
Probably a mix of all of them. We should trying to convince clubs to sign young players on 5 year deals... that's one way to do it. A-league clubs rip up contracts all the time, then said player literally joins a rival on a free hahaha...which is crazy to me so that's one way to stop the duds.

A lot of trash agents too who are the brother/father or cousin of the player who maybe doesn't do the best job in getting the best fee... agents in Europe sometimes work specifically for the club to get a good deal.

500k for Bennie who has played some minutes in championship is insane... there wont be many 18 year old's getting game time in that league. Archie Gray went for 40m quid was it? surely Glory could of got ~2m for him.

TBH I'm not sure we ever will, the modern game requires supreme athleticism... our best athletes play AFL or NRL. That's just how it is unfortunately. NRL/AFL clubs are proactive in the search for youth they out there looking for these athletes(even if they play another sport), I don't think NPL/A-league clubs are... they just have a trial game and see who shows up.
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Even if football got the supposed better athletes in this country you also need to be fundamentally sound, that’s the thing with the very best they might be great athletes but they are even better with their fundamentals!

I’ve seen first hand players here who look excellent physically but they have a touch of a trampoline that won’t cut it for elite level overseas.

I always think football is about fundamentals first and the athletic side later especially when kids hit puberty, the interesting part is some of our best ever players Oz football has ever produced were our technically best we have ever produced.
 
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