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The Ange at Tottenham Thread

Lupi said:
I don't think he has the cachet or credit in the bank to buy that faith
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Yeah but they have the first 10 games of last season. That’s like a lottery ticket that fans will want to cling on to believing with the right investments they can achieve that in the long term
 
Considering that Rangers have been downsizing and are probably an English Championship level side at the minute then Spurs would feel that this was an okay result....

So a mid table EPL side sneaking a lucky draw at a Championship level side is about right for me....
 
Something about Ange ripping into Werner in the sheds then with the press. Fuck it who cares? Potter wasn't considered the master of emotional intelligence and mistreated Ryan at Brighton and crumbled immensely at Chelsea.

Different generation but a bit of Fergie rage wouldn't go astray with these players. Do you think Diego Simone would go so easy?
 
Lots of indicators, if they weren't already obvious, of how problematic Spurs are as a club. Winner window coming So some signings in key areas are needed but then patience. Klopp needed a good while for Dortmund and Chelsea to click. Calm. Levy though...
 
JS96 said:
Lots of indicators, if they weren't already obvious, of how problematic Spurs are as a club. Winner window coming So some signings in key areas are needed but then patience. Klopp needed a good while for Dortmund and Chelsea to click. Calm. Levy though...
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He needs to keep buying himself time though. Not many mangers survive in the bottom have of the EPL, even at smaller clubs. The Chelsea loss after being gifted 2 early goals was a disaster, Southampton is must win with Liverpool to come before Christmas. The team is looking very tired, yet still play so open, he's not going to get away with that for much longer.
 
JS96 said:
Something about Ange ripping into Werner in the sheds then with the press. Fuck it who cares? Potter wasn't considered the master of emotional intelligence and mistreated Ryan at Brighton and crumbled immensely at Chelsea.

Different generation but a bit of Fergie rage wouldn't go astray with these players. Do you think Diego Simone would go so easy?
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The comments were fair, but 2 days earlier after Romero made comments about the club, Ange came out and said he would never criticize players publicly.
 
banzai said:
The comments were fair, but 2 days earlier after Romero made comments about the club, Ange came out and said he would never criticize players publicly.
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It's true Ange is starting to contradict himself.

A press conference today at Spurs and another with talk sport both came across well. He seemed a lot better Friday having rested.

People calling talk sport saying the media beat up is just so typical of them. More noise than there needs to be.

Some also saying the harsh criticism of Werner is needed even in public. I can't remember how Ferguson, Wenger or Mourinho were, but the tough love is refreshing.

Ange also addressed Romero's comments hinting they were out of order and along the lines of he should just focus on playing well and not going on about the mythical curse Spurs have. Ange said he wants to change that by working towards success and not have those excuses hanging around the club.
 
From this morning's UK Daily Telegraph

Two epic rants, two years apart – it is still same old Tottenham
Postecoglou’s fierce critique of players uncannily echoed the Conte tirade at Southampton, where Spurs return tomorrow

By Matt Law · Dec 14, 2024

Tottenham Hotspur return to the scene of Antonio Conte’s infamous “mic drop” tomorrow, with the Italian’s exit speech still painfully relevant for frustrated fans.
The trip to Southampton is the first since Conte’s team threw away a two- goal lead in March 2023, which must feel eerily familiar to supporters who watched Spurs squander a two-goal winning position against Chelsea last week.

Conte reacted to the 3-3 draw by delivering a passionate nine-minute, 52-second dissection of Spurs and their failings. He boarded a Ryanair flight back to Italy two days later and never returned to the club.

Here, Telegraph Sport picks out the highlights of Conte’s jaw-dropping press conference and analyses what has and has not changed.
“The problem is we showed that we are not a team. We are 11 players that go into the pitch. I see selfish players, I see players that don’t want to help each other and don’t put their heart [in].”

Conte produced a five- minute, uninterrupted response to the first question and dismissed the possibility of using Southampton’s lastminute penalty – that should not have been awarded and was scored by James Ward- Prowse – as an excuse. He did not raise his voice for almost three minutes of his opening answer. But the message was clear – his players were selfish and of the 20-man match-day squad in 2023, only nine are still at the club: Fraser Forster, Pedro Porro, Cristian Romero, Ben Davies, Son Heung- min, Richarlison, Dejan Kulusevski, Pape Matar Sarr and Brandon Austin. There has certainly been a high turnover of players since Conte departed, but Postecoglou has left the door open for more to leave if they do not buy into his philosophy or cannot handle their egos being bruised by his straight talking.
“Here we’re used to it for a long time. The club has the responsibility for the transfer market, every coach that stayed here has the responsibility. And the players? The players? Where are the players?”

This was still Conte’s first answer and by this point he became more animated. Conte was aware of fans’ annoyance at chairman Daniel Levy and a perceived lack of ambition in the transfer market. But he felt players were getting an easy ride and it could be argued that had remained the case until this week. Postecoglou confronted angry supporters, while Levy continues to be targeted by a section of the Spurs faithful. The players had largely been forgiven for their mistakes before Postecoglou branded Timo Werner’s performance against Rangers on Thursday “unacceptable.” Postecoglou also appeared to have words with Porro on the pitch and has, according to sources, left several senior players in no doubt that more is expected of them.

“Excuses. Excuses. Excuses. Try to protect them every time. Bah. Come on, come on, come on. We are professional. The club pay us a lot of money. The players receive money, I receive money, you understand?”

Conte did not like the second question, wh i c h asked whether uncertainty over his future was affecting performances and results. He was sick of all the excuses, so he would not have liked Romero’s reaction to last week’s defeat by Chelsea in which the Argentine said: “The last few years, it’s always the same – first the players, then the coaching staff changes, and it’s always the same people responsible. Hopefully, they realise who the true responsible ones are.”

Conte would argue that for the past few years it was the players who were last to take responsibility and Romero’s words certainly suggested he felt most of the blame should be directed at Levy and the board. The defender has since apologised, but Postecoglou picked up Conte’s “excuses” theme yesterday by saying he was “sick” of hearing about a “mythical thing” that stands in the way of Spurs achieving success.

“Tottenham’s story is this. Twenty years there is the owner and they never won something, but why? The fault is only for the club, or for every manager that stays here.”
This was his answer to the third question and was initially, incorrectly, viewed as a direct criticism of Levy. Recalling his post- Southampton speech in an interview with Telegraph Sport, Conte said: “I don’t regret anything about this.” He insisted his mention of “the owner” was not a criticism of Levy, but instead said the club’s trophy drought could not only be the chairman’s fault. What did shock Conte was that most of the reaction to his press conference centred on whether he had attacked Levy, rather than using his words as a reference to try to improve Tottenham’s situation. Postecoglou has made it clear he expects his players to share the responsibility for Spurs’ current problems and stood by his brutal assessment of Werner.
“If they want to continue in this way, they can change the manager, but the situation cannot change. Believe me.”

Tottenham did, of course, change the manager after this press conference. Postecoglou is the latest manager under pressure, but what would another change achieve? It is worth noting that all Tottenham’s permanent managers since Juande Ramos, the last coach to lift a trophy for the club (in 2008), have all won silverware before or after managing Spurs. That at least is encouraging for Postecoglou and his career prospects, should he fall on his sword.

“Thank you very much”
These were Conte’s final words before he left the St Mary’s Stadium media room, never to be seen again as Tottenham manager. It was the mic drop to end all mic drops and Conte is now in charge of Napoli, who are second in Serie A. He may be gone, but to Spurs fans, Conte’s words are not forgotten – particularly now they have been echoed by Postecoglou.
 
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